David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job

abhayselvan said:
I'm over it alright. He's a shit manager and cost us. Just stating the facts.
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He didn't give himself the job, he was chosen, and did what he could.

I mean, you talk as if we've progressed a lot since he's been sacked.

Van Gaal spent more money and wasn't any better.

The footballs been a bit better under Morunho, but we're still fighting for top four, when we should really be challenging for the title, especially given how much money that was spent in the summer.
 
I hate Sunderland and wanted them to go down, but Moyes walking straight down the tunnel while his players stayed on the field to face the music of relegation and the fans summed the man up to a tee - he is a cowardly, snivelling charlatan. First instinct, protect his own image and get out of dodge away from the cameras. Straight down the tunnel where nobody can see him while his players face up to the fans who hung around.

Awful manager and a spineless one to boot. Makes it all the more infuriating that he ever got the chance at OT and we can now safely say David Moyes is not a good manager at all. Good riddance you charlatan.
 
Randall Flagg said:
Don't think I've ever seen a career crash so hard and fast before in football

I'm genuinely interested to see if he can bounce back from these last few years, so I hope he stays with them to see what happens

Used to feel quite sorry for him after Utd, but his interviews constantly blaming everyone but himself really has annoyed me a bit
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Weren't you for giving Moyes more time, Randall? I'm not having a go by the way mate but if you did, what was your reasoning? FWIW, I was in the Moyes brigade myself up until around the time when we signed Mata and he was all 'will have to try Juan in few positions to see what he's like' just sounded like a Sunday league manager at that point.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
He didn't give himself the job, he was chosen, and did what he could.

I mean, you talk as if we've progressed a lot since he's been sacked.

Van Gaal spent more money and wasn't any better.

The footballs been a bit better under Morunho, but we're still fighting for top four, when we should really be challenging for the title, especially given how much money that was spent in the summer.
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Eh? Do you really believe this? Think it's utter rubbish when you consider what Mourinho had to clean up when he came in.
 
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I just want to dedicate that relegation to all of those inbred cnuts that celebrated City's goal in 2012.
 
I remember thinking at the time of his sacking that the best thing he could do for himself would be to kindly ask for the Celtic job and virtually guarantee himself a trophy.

I have never seen a more defeatist manager.
 
Relegation was always going to happen. It was just a matter of when for Sudnerland. They've been in and around the relegation zone for about 3/4 years now. Unfortunately for Moyes, he's the one who has taken them down.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
Weren't you for giving Moyes more time, Randall? I'm not having a go by the way mate but if you did, what was your reasoning? FWIW, I was in the Moyes brigade myself up until around the time when we signed Mata and he was all 'will have to try Juan in few positions to see what he's like' just sounded like a Sunday league manager at that point.
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I was always in the if he doesn't make top 4 he needs to go camp, but for some reason I kept believe he would turn it around and probably said so numerous times

I was naive due to being so used to Utd always at the top. I didn't see how that group of players even with a manager out of his depth could fail as hard as they did.
 
feck off Sunderland.
And feck off Moyes.
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Walters_19_MuFc said:
He didn't give himself the job, he was chosen, and did what he could.

I mean, you talk as if we've progressed a lot since he's been sacked.

Van Gaal spent more money and wasn't any better.

The footballs been a bit better under Morunho, but we're still fighting for top four, when we should really be challenging for the title, especially given how much money that was spent in the summer.
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Jesus Christ. Yes he was. Comfortably better. Just a far cry from the Ferguson era and not good enough for moving forward.

Moyes' appointment and subsequent nightmare season will be talked about for decades, I guarantee it. It one of the most bizarre and unjustified job offers in modern football. I'm just waiting to hear about the movie script for it.
 
Is their a reason that the dream team of Moyes, Round, Lumsden, Neville and Woods all decided to go their separate ways after the United sacking? Usually it seems coaching teams stick together. Mourinho's coaches always follow him for example
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
He didn't give himself the job, he was chosen, and did what he could.

I mean, you talk as if we've progressed a lot since he's been sacked.

Van Gaal spent more money and wasn't any better.

The footballs been a bit better under Morunho, but we're still fighting for top four, when we should really be challenging for the title, especially given how much money that was spent in the summer.
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Utter bollocks. Van gaal was far better than Moyes.

Moyes took a Champions to seventh place. Absolutely crashed and burned against Liverpool, Man City et al. Broke every unwanted record imaginable. Fulham game.

LvG had some decent to great games from us. He at least knew what the job required of him. He won us the F.A Cup. No comparison for me.
 
Randall Flagg said:
I was always in the if he doesn't make top 4 he needs to go camp, but for some reason I kept believe he would turn it around and probably said so numerous times

I was naive due to being so used to Utd always at the top. I didn't see how that group of players even with a manager out of his depth could fail as hard as they did.
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Same here. I was blindly optimistic that if Sir Alex appointed him then he must come through at the end. The accumulation of different things finally broke the camels back. Also, we were a bloody laughing stock to opposition fans and Paddy fecking Power of all people. It was insufferable. Nevertheless, I can totally understand fans sticking by him for the duration of his tenure.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
He didn't give himself the job, he was chosen, and did what he could.

I mean, you talk as if we've progressed a lot since he's been sacked.

Van Gaal spent more money and wasn't any better.

The footballs been a bit better under Morunho, but we're still fighting for top four, when we should really be challenging for the title, especially given how much money that was spent in the summer.
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We would have done a way better job if Jose or some other world class manager had taken over back then. Let's just leave it at that.
 
LVG got 4th and then 5th (but level points with the 4th placed team) and the FA Cup. He also got good results against our rivals. There is no comparison between the two.
 
If he'd stuck with Everton he'd still be there now, likely one of the most secure managers in the entire division. He's a one job manager. Not in 'has one' but 'could do one'. I don't see where he goes from here. Who'd employ him?
 
Minimalist said:
Jesus Christ. Yes he was. Comfortably better. Just a far cry from the Ferguson era and not good enough for moving forward.

Moyes' appointment and subsequent nightmare season will be talked about for decades, I guarantee it. It one of the most bizarre and unjustified job offers in modern football. I'm just waiting to hear about the movie script for it.
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Wait until Jim Carrey's hair goes grey, he'll be able to get Moyes' creepy post match interview smile down to a tee.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
He didn't give himself the job, he was chosen, and did what he could.

I mean, you talk as if we've progressed a lot since he's been sacked.

Van Gaal spent more money and wasn't any better.

The footballs been a bit better under Morunho, but we're still fighting for top four, when we should really be challenging for the title, especially given how much money that was spent in the summer.
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I think you significantly underestimate the damage Moyes did with his completely defeatist approach, clueless appointments and general sourness. That meant LVG had to pick up the pieces. Something Jose is still in the process of doing (and very well I may add), as well as fixing what LVG did, which was to compound the misery by telling the players not to be themselves, whatever they do.
 
Fener1907 said:
Eh? Do you really believe this? Think it's utter rubbish when you consider what Mourinho came in and had to clean up.
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I do believe it.

He got rid of players, but the starting XI hasn't changed that much from under Van Gaal.

De Gea, Valencia, Rojo, Darmian Carrick, Herrera, Fellaini, Martial, Lingard and Rashford all played quite often under Van Gaal and are now currently playing under Mourino.

The players he had to 'clean up' were those who were on the fringes, i.e. Depay, Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, McNair, Blackett, Will Keane, Valdes, Powell. Getting rid of those players did not affect our season.

Take all the draws away, which granted isn't Mourinho's fault, and we'd be right up there.

On paper, we definitely should be challenging for the title. How you don't believe that, I don't know.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Relegation was always going to happen. It was just a matter of when for Sudnerland. They've been in and around the relegation zone for about 3/4 years now. Unfortunately for Moyes, he's the one who has taken them down.
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Nothing unfortunate about it - he's just a worse manager than his predecessor Allardyce or the likes of Silva and Dyche. Sunderland have one of the weaker squads but when you combine that with the worst manager out of the 20 PL teams who is also incapable of spending money productively, then it becomes inevitable. Re your earlier dig at Van Gaal and Mourinho, both were attempting to salvage the club - it was Moyes who inherited the champions and then steered full speed into the iceberg.
 
Looking forward to his post match interview video so I can wallow in his misery.
 


"I think it would be the wrong time to start looking at all the reasons why. I think we all have to take collective responsibility, from the top to the bottom. And we have to try put it right in the future."
 
Bastian said:


"I think it would be the wrong time to start looking at all the reasons why. I think we all have to take collective responsibility, from the top to the bottom. And we have to try put it right in the future."
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'Collective responsibility'

I'm not sure he's familiar with the concept of - 'the buck stops with the manager'.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Relegation was always going to happen. It was just a matter of when for Sudnerland. They've been in and around the relegation zone for about 3/4 years now. Unfortunately for Moyes, he's the one who has taken them down.
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12-13 39 points
13-14 38 points
14-15 38 points
15-16 39 points
16-17 21 points

Your defence of Moyes is ridiculous. They've always managed to fight till the end and get close to 40 points but they've been dead and buried under Moyes for ages now

I think the £20m+ used on Mcnair, Love, Gibson, Oviedo and Papy Dijlobodji could have been spent better too
 
He can't have it both ways. He takes sole credit for the successes and then wants group responsibility when things hit the fan.

He's a cretin. A more miserable but less mid-life crisis version of Alan Pardew.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
'Collective responsibility'

I'm not sure he's familiar with the concept of - 'the buck stops with the manager'.
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I think any manager would have struggled with Sunderland this season (like the previous seasons) but can't think of many who would do a worse job motivating those players and being as capable of re-framing their mindset to make them believe they are all terrible.
 
Bastian said:
I think any manager would have struggled with Sunderland this season (like the previous seasons) but can't think of many who would do a worse job motivating those players and being as capable of re-framing their mindset to make them believe they are all terrible.
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Would Sam have struggled? I think he'd be comfortable right now had they gave him the job back imo.
 
Minimalist said:
He can't have it both ways. He takes sole credit for the successes and then wants group responsibility when things hit the fan.

He's a cretin. A more miserable but less mid-life crisis version of Alan Pardew.
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A modern day politician, socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor. Also, I'd say he's more Saxondale than Partridge.

Edit: Read Partridge where you wrote Pardew :lol:
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
He didn't give himself the job, he was chosen, and did what he could.

I mean, you talk as if we've progressed a lot since he's been sacked.

Van Gaal spent more money and wasn't any better.

The footballs been a bit better under Morunho, but we're still fighting for top four, when we should really be challenging for the title, especially given how much money that was spent in the summer.
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In what world is the bolder part accurate?
Moyes took a team that had strolled the league to 7th. That's SEVENTH.

He lost SIX home league games and was sacked before the end of one season.

Van Gaal picked the team up in a lot worse state than Moyes had, and restored us to 4th at least, and then won a cup the year after.

Therefore, it's essential you're picked up on your massively wrong statement.
 
Lay said:
This. Baffles me anybody who thinks they're comparable. We were defeated before we got on the pitch under Moyes.
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Yeah, I am by no means an LVG apologist (and there's a long enough thread on this topic in the archive), but I think the time under LVG was nothing like under Moyes. Moyes left a disaster behind and we're still digging out from it (below 4th, Fellaini on the team, Rooney on the team at that ridiculous contract). There were no positives to take from Moyes at all.

And by the way, why does Ed Woodward still have input on the team after being in charge of the Moyes debacle and how much money we've plowed through the last 4 seasons with bad results?
 
MaxiPaxi said:
Would Sam have struggled? I think he'd be comfortable right now had they gave him the job back imo.
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I think Pulis and Allardyce would have kept them up, but not without a struggle. They are still a terribly run club. Don't get me wrong, I think Moyes would take Barcelona out of the CL places in Spain...
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
I do believe it.

He got rid of players, but the starting XI hasn't changed that much from under Van Gaal.

De Gea, Valencia, Rojo, Darmian Carrick, Herrera, Fellaini, Martial, Lingard and Rashford all played quite often under Van Gaal and are now currently playing under Mourino.

The players he had to 'clean up' were those who were on the fringes, i.e. Depay, Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, McNair, Blackett, Will Keane, Valdes, Powell. Getting rid of those players did not affect our season.

Take all the draws away, which granted isn't Mourinho's fault, and we'd be right up there.

On paper, we definitely should be challenging for the title. How you don't believe that, I don't know.
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See, there's your problem - you look at everything 'on paper' and completely neglect everything else. If it was a case of getting the results by simply having the names, football would be a very easy game, wouldn't it? As it is, aside from having improved the squad, he came in and was simply met with a club lacking true leadership since the day Sir Alex left. It's not an abstract idea, because it's blatantly obvious that the previous appointments not only didn't provide that leadership, but also instilled mentalities and bad habits that weren't going to be broken as soon as Mourinho stepped through the door. Instead of looking at it from the perspective of "we definitely should be challenging for the title," I instead look at it from the perspective of "is he gradually undoing all of the shite they left in their wake and moving us forward to a far more prosperous future?" to which the answer is a resounding yes. If you can't see that, I despair.
 
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