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How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%

  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%

  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%

  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%
  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
rcoobc said:
Would the PR campaign even win a referendum on the subject?

Would we not be better off asking for a PR House of Lords (which there is actually a public willpower to see democratically elected), and for the British Public to spend 20 years getting used to what PR is?
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Why would they have to run a referendum on it? They only did that for the last one because the Tories didn't want it to happen. Maybe I am wrong.

I can see where you are coming from in regards to a Lords test-run. The Scottish system, which isn't PR but MMR and pretty damn close to it, is understood by most up here. I don't think it would be hard to put across to people. The only stumbling block is the media.
 
ThierryHenry said:
Same, tone has changed completely. I even heard the classic "someone like David Miliband would have walked this election".

*Waits for Dobba to reply with a lol*
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What is strange is that their manifesto or strategy seems to be.. lets make ourselves 'unelectable' and 'alienate' our core voters.

The rich, big business, upper class, elite professionals.. they don't want a hard 'brexit', they don't want brexit at all - so she's pissed them off. The white working class, the school lunch/breakfast fiasco, female voters who were happy that a woman was in charge - cosying up to the likes of Trump, doctors/surgeons.. destroying the NHS.

They're relying heavily on Brexit voters, steadfast tories and Corbyn being unelectable for most floating voters.

They'll probably still win, but it has been the worst run campaign in living memory.
 
ThierryHenry said:
Same, tone has changed completely. I even heard the classic "someone like David Miliband would have walked this election".

*Waits for Dobba to reply with a lol*
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I still think he would have... :nervous:
 
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Raees said:
What is strange is that their manifesto or strategy seems to be.. lets make ourselves 'unelectable' and 'alienate' our core voters.

The rich, big business, upper class, elite professionals.. they don't want a hard 'brexit', they don't want brexit at all - so she's pissed them off. The white working class, the school lunch/breakfast fiasco, female voters who were happy that a woman was in charge - cosying up to the likes of Trump, doctors/surgeons.. destroying the NHS.

They're relying heavily on Brexit voters, steadfast tories and Corbyn being unelectable for most floating voters.

They'll probably still win, but it has been the worst run campaign in living memory.
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She tried to do the usual Tory thing of masking their intentions with her JAM speeches but it just hasn't stuck. She isn't capable of coming off as caring at all, the only thing she's got is that "she's a bloody difficult woman" which is a ridiculous notion to build a campaign around.

They've just dropped the pretence completely.
 
DenisIrwin said:
fecking hell! Her father was directly involved in human trafficking and running brothels and exchanged emails with her about his whores - and now she's fronting Woman's Hour on BBC. You think that's OK?!
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Obviously - why should we judge anyone on the behaviour of their parents? No idea what your point is here.
 
ThierryHenry said:
Obviously - why should we judge anyone on the behaviour of their parents? No idea what your point is here.
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We've moved on so I won't be responding on this anymore, except to say she claimed (in the Mail article) to know nothing at all about her father's human traficking and brothels, right up until he was on his way to prison, when she had exchanged emails with him about his whores. I don't believe her. It's my belief that she denied knowledge in order to protect her own career and find it completely fecked up that she is pulling this sort of shit on Woman's Hour and then acting all hurt when she's called out for dirty tricks by hundreds of listeners, and the BBC rally around to protect her. That's it. I'm done discussing this any further.
 
DenisIrwin said:
We've moved on so I won't be responding on this anymore, except to say she claimed (in the Mail article) to know nothing at all about her father's human traficking and brothels, right up until he was on his way to prison, when she had exchanged emails with him about his whores. I don't believe her. It's my belief that she denied knowledge in order to protect her own career and find it completely fecked up that she is pulling this sort of shit on Woman's Hour and then acting all hurt when she's called out for dirty tricks by hundreds of listeners, and the BBC rally around to protect her. That's it. I'm done discussing this any further.
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Ok. I don't really agree with you or the way you use "whores" here.
 
How many seats are Lab/Lib marginals as opposed to Lab/Con or Lib/Con?

Why can't Farron and Corbyn agree a one night truce, along with Lucas and Sturgeon, to not discredit each other in the debate. Then precede to hammer the Tories over absolutely everything. This seems like a win for all parties involved no?

Also limits how much Rudd can whip out the 'coalition of choas' shite.
 
COME ON JEZZA
 
All feels a bit like the Miliband phenomenon. What was that? Milifandom, or soemthing. I don't think you can come from so far behind, so late. Could be wrong.
 
altodevil86 said:
COME ON JEZZA
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Hopefully a lot of people tune in and he has a good performance, because regardless of what happens it'll be a total hit job in the press tomorrow morning.
 
ThierryHenry said:
Has anyone posted the size of the likely 18-24 vote compared to those aged 65+?

I'd assume that those numbers only lead to an electoral mauling.
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Asketh and ye shall receive



But note that's only on 2015 turnout levels, and I'm pretty sure turnout among 18-24s will be higher this time round. Not 80%, but maybe more like the EU referendum.
 
ThierryHenry said:
Has anyone posted the size of the likely 18-24 vote compared to those aged 65+?

I'd assume that those numbers only lead to an electoral mauling.
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In 2015; there were 5.8 million people aged 18-24, and 11 million people aged 65 and over.

This will include those not eligible to vote; i.e. people from the European Union outside of the UK and Ireland.

Older people are also obviously more likely to vote (by 1/3rd?)
 
Oscie said:
All feels a bit like the Miliband phenomenon. What was that? Milifandom, or soemthing. I don't think you can come from so far behind, so late. Could be wrong.
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Labour can't win, but can they force a hung parliament?

Probably not.

But if they could, what would that achieve.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Hopefully a lot of people tune in and he has a good performance, because regardless of what happens it'll be a total hit job in the press tomorrow morning.
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Yep. The other parties have to make sure not to overly attack Labour otherwise they will trot out the Chaos coalition line. They should, and hopefully will, hammer May on the NHS and things people should care more about.
 
Ubik said:
Asketh and ye shall receive



But note that's only on 2015 turnout levels, and I'm pretty sure turnout among 18-24s will be higher this time round. Not 80%, but maybe more like the EU referendum.
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Yeah, like I thought. Stupid that this keeps being highlighted as the story of the election. 18-40 v 65+ would be a more sensible comparison.
 
rcoobc said:
In 2015; there were 5.8 million people aged 18-24, and 11 million people aged 65 and over.

This will include those not eligible to vote; i.e. people from the European Union outside of the UK and Ireland.

Older people are also obviously more likely to vote (by 1/3rd?)
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You got UBIK'd. :boring:
 
Oscie said:
All feels a bit like the Miliband phenomenon. What was that? Milifandom, or soemthing. I don't think you can come from so far behind, so late. Could be wrong.
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Its exactly that, what we're seeing is people realising Corbyn isnt what they were told and is actually quite likeable. Probably won't change the fundamentals though, he'll get burried in attacks over the next weeks and people will go back to "safety" with the Tories unless May has gone too far.

Another year without his leadership being contested and he'd have done better i think. Saying that he wouldn't have been doing interviews all that time. I hope the next leader makes themselves a lot more visible during the non-campaign months.
 
Obviously right call for Corbyn to do the debates. If I was a supporter of his I'd be concerned about how prepared he'll be. Seems clear this was a relative last minute thing off the back of an uptick in popular support and a good performance the other night. If he isn't prepared for this then it could undo much of his momentum. If he is then it'll put May even more under pressure. She'll look terrible for not turning up tonight. And now if she does it'll look like she was strong-armed into it.

If Corbyn does well then it's another huge gaff by Tories. But Rudd will be well prepared, briefed and practised having been earmarked for this for a long while. If it turns into a night where Corbyn's past comments are in focus then he'll regret not throwing his hat into this sooner and giving himself proper preparation time.

Be fascinating.
 
Oscie said:
Obviously right call for Corbyn to do the debates. If I was a supporter of his I'd be concerned about how prepared he'll be. Seems clear this was a relative last minute thing off the back of an uptick in popular support and a good performance the other night. If he isn't prepared for this then it could undo much of his momentum. If he is then it'll put May even more under pressure. She'll look terrible for not turning up tonight. And now if she does it'll look like she was strong-armed into it.

If Corbyn does well then it's another huge gaff by Tories. But Rudd will be well prepared, briefed and practised having been earmarked for this for a long while. If it turns into a night where Corbyn's past comments are in focus then he'll regret not throwing his hat into this sooner and giving himself proper preparation time.

Be fascinating.
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They'll have been prepared in case May actually attended.

In fact Im sure they'll always have planned to attend they just wanted to amplify the pressure on May to do so. Corbyn now comes off looking good and May scared.

They've left enough time for the story now to be about her not attending all day.
 
Could be a huge moment for Labour tonight if Corbyn does well, the more the public have seen him the better he's come across. Totally the opposite for May.

It's going to be spicy!
 
Smores said:
They'll have been prepared in case May actually attended.

In fact Im sure they'll always have planned to attend they just wanted to amplify the pressure on May to do so. Corbyn now comes off looking good and May scared.

They've left enough time for the story now to be about her not attending all day.
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If he's always intended to take part and has prepared for it then great. But this is a man who the other day went on Woman's Hour to promote a policy he didn't have the details of. If I were a betting man I'd say this was more likely to be a relatively impromptu decision based on favourable poll ratings than the culmination of a plan where he intended to show up all along.

If he's prepared - great. I'll have my doubts though.
 
I love the way he's simply calling her out too like it's a WWF interview in the ring :lol:

Any time. Any place.

 
Fergies Gum said:
Is this a different debate happening tonight? I know there's one tonight with all the parties taking part.
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I think it's the one you a referring to. I just have it on in the background and they literally said he'll be debating Amber Rudd, but I think it will be at that debate with the others.
 
I can't help but think tonight won't go well for Corbyn. Him being there and May sending a lackey can only lead to labour losing a couple of points to the minor parties.
 
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