They'll play some good football again, be in top 4 and won't win a thing.
Will play a weaken side in CL not to hamper their league form.
Will play a weaken side in CL not to hamper their league form.
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What was Lamela's injury again? I'd expected him to be a virtually new signing this season. Son Heung-min has replaced him quite well and I see him leaving for a less physical league like Spain or maybe back to Italy once he's fit.
Will Lamela ever play again?
Is a shame for Spurs that Walker appears to be staying. They'd have gotten far more in terms of a transfer fee than his contribution and would have been able to utilise that for the benefit of the squad.
I've never seen a squad improve over a few season period without key signings being made to keep competition aggressive and to keep players from getting complacent. Maybe the lack of silverware will keep the hunger alive, but as we've seen with City, United, Arsenal & Chelsea in recent years... If you aren't moving forwards you're going backwards.
Likewise the pressure on their best players is going to be insane; for them to even tread water they're going to need another impeccable season from Alli & Kane (47 PL goals will be hard to replicate) who let's not forget are young and therefore are more vulnerable to dips in form. Likewise Son, Erikson & their defenders matching their best seasons ever.
With the Wembley move as well I'd say CL qualification alone would be a great season for them and if he achieved it Pochettino would be the real deal, trophy or otherwise.
I've never seen a squad improve over a few season period without key signings being made to keep competition aggressive and to keep players from getting complacent. Maybe the lack of silverware will keep the hunger alive, but as we've seen with City, United, Arsenal & Chelsea in recent years... If you aren't moving forwards you're going backwards.
Likewise the pressure on their best players is going to be insane; for them to even tread water they're going to need another impeccable season from Alli & Kane (47 PL goals will be hard to replicate) who let's not forget are young and therefore are more vulnerable to dips in form. Likewise Son, Erikson & their defenders matching their best seasons ever.
With the Wembley move as well I'd say CL qualification alone would be a great season for them and if he achieved it Pochettino would be the real deal, trophy or otherwise.
To much is being made of this Wembley business. It's just another stadium like any other, really don't think it will have any impact on their aspirations for the season, apart from a some minor teething pains early in the season
A trophy is needed for the appeasement of both fans and players of the club. CL alone would be considered a backward step after the progress they have made in recent years.
I'm not aware of many Spurs fans demanding a trophy. Every one I know is enjoying being a fan again, slightly apprehensive of the immediate future and really looking forward to the new stadium.
They don't win many trophies for their fans to need "appeasement". And they're doing their business without pumping millions on transfers; I think them having top 4 next season will be alright for them.
Are you expecting to start strong this coming season?
I had a little debate with Sours fans on this forum a few weeks ago and they confirmed to me that they are aiming to win the league and trophies not just top 4 or challenging the league. They also consider not winning trophy as failure.
So should change the vote title to ''will Spurs finally win a trophy in the upcoming season''.
So should change the vote title to ''will Spurs finally win a trophy in the upcoming season''.
Personally it's a little more of a grey area for me, it's not win a trophy or failure. Missing out on top 3 would be a failure in my eyes, even if we win the league cup or Fa cup. Similarly, if we come second and have a strong showing in Europe I wouldn't consider it a failure if we don't win a trophy.
Everyone wants to win the league, and we should aim for it again, but last season we finished on a record amount of points, goals for and against without winning the league. We had a great season, but Chelsea had a season where they broke the record winning streak and finished on a crazy point total.
I'd love to win something, most of all the league of course, but I'd love the league or Fa cup too. But unless the cup comes alongside a strong league campaign it's still not a success for me.
It's really far far FAR too early for a poll of this kind. There is a LOT of transfer business to be done and although it's unlikely that Spurs will be involved in too much of it, the movement will undoubtedly transform or strengthen other teams to the point that they could be considered superior, at least on paper - which isn't always accurate as we see season after season.
I think it's likely that Spurs will slip down the 'rankings' in terms of potential but 'sum of the parts etc.' is a mighty factor that both Spurs and Liverpool proved last season and could do so again this coming one.
I think it's likely that Spurs will slip down the 'rankings' in terms of potential but 'sum of the parts etc.' is a mighty factor that both Spurs and Liverpool proved last season and could do so again this coming one.
I think If Spurs don't win something in the next season or two then they have failed. In football you dont play to get top four and have good business models. You play to win and to be the best, and so far Spurs haven't been the best in any competition.
With the kind of players they have at their disposal this next season has to be the one where they win the league for me, Iregardless of what anyone else does.
If you can't win the league with that team you'll simply never win it.
With the kind of players they have at their disposal this next season has to be the one where they win the league for me, Iregardless of what anyone else does.
If you can't win the league with that team you'll simply never win it.
I would imagine we might have 1 point after 2 games and wouldn't be crying. For context, "They tend to start slowly" - last season we won 5 of the first 7.
I may be in the minority, but I don't think Walker will go to City. We'll see what happens though.
Should have been a fairly easy deal to complete really which suggests either City don't want to meet Tottenhams Valuation, or Walkers asking too much pay, or the entire story is bullshit.
I'm leaning on option 1 with a hint of option 3.
I'm leaning towards option 1 as well
. I think Levy is very reluctant to strengthen a direct rival in a key position and probably won't accept anything under 60m, something I doubt City is willing to pay. I also don't think Walker is desperate to leave.If they fail to win anything again, might see some of that squad get restless, particularly the older ones.
According to Squawka, no Premier League defender recorded more assists in 2016/17 than Kieran Trippier (5). And he only played 566 minutes.
You are officially the king on selective stats, Glaston.
If Trippier performs to a standard even remotely close to his predesessor I'd be shocked.
Why is it a selective stat? Isn't it just a stat?
"The greatest trick Levy ever pulled was convincing Spurs fans that trophies do not exist"
Just kidding Spurs fans. Your club is lovely.
You are clearly attempting to soften the blow of losing a Kyle Walker (fecking City!) by scouring the interent in search of a highly favourable stat that shows Kieran Trippier to be a more than worthy replacement. Not entirely sure if it's yourself or the rest of us you are trying to convince but either way it's a stretch.
In truth, any statistic you use to form a judgement on a player who has a amassed a grand total of 566 minutes of football will be as thin as Spurs' trophy cabinet, lad.
I'm to off to watch The Usual Suspects now, partly due to the post above me but mostly because it's fecking brilliant.
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We haven't yet sold Walker to City and might not do so. But if we do then we'll get a huge sum of money for a RB and Trippier would be a worthy replacement IMO. He has different attributes to Walker - less pace for example, but much better at putting in crosses for the like of Kane to bury.
Spurs should be all over Thomas Lemar if there's any possibility there. Ship out N'Jie, N'Koudou and Sissoko and that's half the fee covered.
Can't really comment on Trippier as I've only seen him play the once. Heard nothing but good things though, which is hardly surprising considering he's English and plays for Spurs.
All things considered I'm sure Pochettino will be in the market for a more experienced rightback, its not like they won't be able to afford one with City shelling out silly money for Walker. Don't see what's wrong with Zabaleta personally, knocking on a bit but on his day he's a top fullback.
Trippier is a fantastic crosser of the ball, and even before this season started I would have said that his delivery when given time is world class. His big idol was David Beckham and he spent hours on the training field trying to emulate him. This makes Trippier very suited to a right wing back position, especially against lower sides in the PL when we are dominating possession, so he is more likely to be allowed to use his best qualities.
However, as was shown in the United match, Trippier was not good enough defensively and was imo a liability against Martial, but once Walker came on that threat was much less prominent. This is because Walker is a much better defender and athlete than Trippier. So against good teams, especially if playing a back four and we have a right back and not a wingback I'd much prefer Walker, however, Trippier's delivery is absolutely top class, and he is a better player than Walker in possession, especially against teams that park the bus.
However, as was shown in the United match, Trippier was not good enough defensively and was imo a liability against Martial, but once Walker came on that threat was much less prominent. This is because Walker is a much better defender and athlete than Trippier. So against good teams, especially if playing a back four and we have a right back and not a wingback I'd much prefer Walker, however, Trippier's delivery is absolutely top class, and he is a better player than Walker in possession, especially against teams that park the bus.
I can't understand Pochettino using Trippier in preference to Walker (unless it was because he knew he would be off and wanted to give Trippier minutes). Regardless of how good his crossing is the primary function of a FB is to defend, and Trippier isn't even close to Walker in that regard. Of course there's Walker's pace too a valuable asset in both defence and attack, coach crossing into him, don't replace a speedster with someone who looks like they're stuck in treacle. Though for the rest of us it's a move I'm happy with
I can't understand Pochettino using Trippier in preference to Walker (unless it was because he knew he would be off and wanted to give Trippier minutes). Regardless of how good his crossing is the primary function of a FB is to defend, and Trippier isn't even close to Walker in that regard. Of course there's Walker's pace too a valuable asset in both defence and attack, coach crossing into him, don't replace a speedster with someone who looks like they're stuck in treacle. Though for the rest of us it's a move I'm happy with
If you play with a defensive unit of Verthongen, Alderweireld, Dier + Dembele and Wanyama then you can allow your wingbacks more attacking freedom. But yeah I agree, I think Walker is the better all around fullback and wingback, only situations Tripper is better is if we are dominating possession making Walkers pace, athleticism and overall defensive game less important, and Trippiers delivery and passing more important.
I can't understand Pochettino using Trippier in preference to Walker (unless it was because he knew he would be off and wanted to give Trippier minutes). Regardless of how good his crossing is the primary function of a FB is to defend, and Trippier isn't even close to Walker in that regard. Of course there's Walker's pace too a valuable asset in both defence and attack, coach crossing into him, don't replace a speedster with someone who looks like they're stuck in treacle. Though for the rest of us it's a move I'm happy with
Trippier is a superb crosser and is generally much better than Walker in the final third of the pitch - yes his defending and his speed are both inferior to Walker. If we do sell Walker (I think we will) then I'd expect us to buy another RB with pace to rotate with Trippier for around £20 million or so which should leave us £30 million to spend on other areas. Still hoping if he goes he moves to a club outside of England - rumours are that Barcelona and Bayern have shown an interest in him (as hard as that is to believe!)
Trippier is the better player of the 2 against bottom half teams that park the bus. Against the top teams or in cup competitions, Walker is head and shoulders above him - he's really turned himself into a terrific defender and his pace is much more useful when the opponents aren't packed into their own box the entire match.
Ideally, Spurs would keep both.
Ideally, Spurs would keep both.
Think the delay is due to Alves's move. He's their first choice.
Surely City won't sign Walker and Alves? I know it's ideal having two right-backs but that would be taking the biscuit.
Sincerely doubt there is anything in these rumours mate. Roberto has made that rightback position his own since the conversion from midfield, in much the same way as Valencia has done for United. Most United fans despise Barca but I'm kind of partial to them in truth, I never tire of watching them play.
Isn't Lahm still performing well for Bayern? I guess Walker could be seen as a future replacement.
Still I don't like the idea of losing our best English talents abroad.
Unlikely in all honesty. Alves is 35 now, very much doubt City will be in for him.
There's no way either moves to be anything but a guaranteed starter.
There's no way either club pay what it takes to get Walker anyways so it's a moot point but lahm has retired.
Had no idea.
Bayern could buy Walker if the situation called for it, not sure about Barca to be fair.
Danny Rose is better than Davies but the latter came in and after a run of games didn't look out of place.
Maybe Trippier can do the same permanently if Walker goes but the sample size judging Trippier's performances vs Davies is smaller.
Maybe Trippier can do the same permanently if Walker goes but the sample size judging Trippier's performances vs Davies is smaller.
There's no way they spend crazy bucks on a RB.
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