Ed Woodward | Post season 2017 edition

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podurban2 said:
Awful post. What has that got to do with Ed? Stay on topic.
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I am talking about the coordination between Woodward and LVG. Why sign a player for 60m and then bench him because he is not following the stupid "philosophy".
 
Ramshock said:
Anyone think the Glazets have clamped down on Ed this summer?
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Why would they do that? I think it is more due to the crazy transfer market these days... A few years back 200 mil could have bought us 1/2 a team of quality players. Now it could maybe buy us 2-3...

If our funds are limited for some reason, I`ll sell 4-5 players, focus on the league and CL and just player all youth teams in all other competitions.
 
savais said:
Agree 100%. All these fans blaming Woodward as if the deals are on on him now. Its quite possible the clubs are not keen on selling ir asking unreasonable fees. So Jose has to have alternative, gettable targets. Not 50m euros Perisic. Or 90m euros Morata. If thats the limit of Jose's scouting network, then thats on him.
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Agree. If it were all on Woodward, I'd be very disappointed in Mourinho. How often do we hear players say, they chose that particular club because the manager spoke to them and made them feel it was the right club for them. Mourinho at some point has to be part of the negotiations, especially for the "bigger" targets.
 
SachinJ22 said:
The same Di Maria who left us because LVG benched him and then complained about no pace in the team?
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What has that got to do with anything? It's not Ed's fault signings didn't work out. Ed's job is to get the signings and that's all.
 
I think many people dislike him from that Summer of 2013 which was such a shambles. I think he's obviously fine at his job and all this stuff about him being a poor negotiator is rubbish. I do think he's a bit of a clown though. All thst 'watch this space' shit was embarrassing.
 
Jose has to shoulder alot of the blame if we fail to get our signings in time for the tour or start of the season. He weakened our bargaining position by putting all the pressure onto Woodward to get them in by a certain time.

The owners and chief execs across Europe can have a field day this way.
 
Jeez it's sad to see how agitated some of our fans have become. The transfer summer has not been easy but then again why believe in half of the crap that media writes. It's them who have given this agitation to us fans. "48 hrs we are going to sign X". "24 hrs we are going to sign Y". I think fans have been fooled by these journalists.
 
pocco said:
Say we were to go into the season having only signed the one player, however unlikely, is there a chance that Jose would walk?

He must know that he's not going to do anything with our current squad.
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I don't think he would walk because he would wave goodbye to the rest of his contract. However I do fear if we make a slow start to the season and we are struggling to sign players that he may turn on Woodward.

He can't really blame the players because they did well to win the EL with a tired squad and a number of players injured. However I agree that Mourinho isn't naïve enough to think he has a chance of the league with the current squad, or even a top 4 finish IMO unless a number of players improve significantly this season and that is very unlikely.
 
The people sticking up for Ed, who do you think will get the blame for the disappointing transfer window if it stays this way? I can see jose having a dig at him in a press conference after we have lost a game and the pressure is on saying he gave him his list months ago.
 
vanderpants said:
The people sticking up for Ed, who do you think will get the blame for the disappointing transfer window if it stays this way? I can see jose having a dig at him in a press conference after we have lost a game and the pressure is on saying he gave him his list months ago.
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I'll blame Mourinho because the list looks like it's filled with average players we should not be signing.
 
vanderpants said:
The people sticking up for Ed, who do you think will get the blame for the disappointing transfer window if it stays this way? I can see jose having a dig at him in a press conference after we have lost a game and the pressure is on saying he gave him his list months ago.
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The key word being if. It's quite unlikely we would sign no one else
 
Sandikan said:
You are right in a way, but in another way utterly wrong, and it's like you haven't spotted the severe inflation going on.
Michael Keane, that's Michael Keane is going for £25m. Liverpool were quoted anywhere from £50-70m for their latest Southampton defender fetish.

This is probably the most awkward transfer window for a long time. All English Premier teams have ridiculous reserves of cash, so aren't under the historical pressure to sell. While foreign teams have certainly clocked it too.

The market is waiting for a couple of major deals to explode it into life, and we've got to be careful we don't overpay for the first one, or we'll overpay for the rest for the summer's work too.
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I don't understand what part of my post that you quoted has any relevance to what you're saying here? What have I said that's wrong?

For what it's worth, I agree with much of what you've said above in relation to inflation, which actually reflects well on the club regarding the Lindelof deal. If he does well, then we'll have managed to buy a new first choice central defence for less than a Virgil Van Dijk.
 
The pool of players in a shallow one. Teams are fighting as hard to keep players as they are trying to buy them. Teams need to replace before they sell show so it's a bit like being in a chain when buying/selling a house. I think Griezmann was suppose to be the high profile signing and then the rest to follow. Also there's sooo much money in football, it's not just about flashing the cash and selling teams know it. Look at the moment, there's absolutely nothing happening at present across Europe.....

It will take a couple of big transfers and like dominoes, the rest will then follow
 
I wonder how many people we have negotiating with other teams? If every summer is legitimately going to be a hard slog for every target, due to clubs having more cash, then you'd hope that we have more than the one person dealing with other clubs.

We're struggling this summer and I'd say that, in the grand scheme of things, all 3 players we're supposed to be interested in are "gettable" players.
 
I have a shady/good feeling that Morata is totally wrapped up and Woodie just not announcing it out of tactical reasons. Like for other clubs not signing key-players before we've had a go.
 
ROFLUTION said:
I have a shady/good feeling that Morata is totally wrapped up and Woodie just not announcing it out of tactical reasons. Like for other clubs not signing key-players before we've had a go.
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If we're paying a huge fee for him, it's in our interest to inflate the market for our competitors unless Madrid are trying to wrap up the Mbappe deal and have agreed a deal with us on the basis we don't announce it until they have done that. I guess we might also be trying to wrap other deals up without announcing we've spent over the odds on Morata first.
 
Pexbo said:
If we're paying a huge fee for him, it's in our interest to inflate the market for our competitors unless Madrid are trying to wrap up the Mbappe deal and have agreed a deal with us on the basis we don't announce it until they have done that. I guess we might also be trying to wrap other deals up without announcing we've spent over the odds on Morata first.
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Exactly - Imagine if all transfers get dragged out till late and we've reached our targets under the radar - then a massive mbappe lands and all the prices go up - that will leave panic in the end forcing clubs into saying yes or no to mega transfers. Here we have an edge too as it comes to FFP and overbidding. Probably not going to happen fully as secrets are hard to not leak and there's a long way before the windows shut, but the whole under the radar thing is very interesting and deserves its own thread.
 
It seems fairly obvious that we are suffering slightly atm because everyone knows the we need 4/5 players immediately and we have loads of cash.

I think in time Jose will want to turn his attention to less well-known more achievable targets. At the moment, he is almost being forced to go for "tried and tested" and as a result we are having to negotiate with clubs we can't bully in Inter, Chelsea and Real. Not to mention Spurs who wouldn't even entertain the idea of selling us Dier, Alli or Kane
 
Kag said:
I don't understand what part of my post that you quoted has any relevance to what you're saying here? What have I said that's wrong?

For what it's worth, I agree with much of what you've said above in relation to inflation, which actually reflects well on the club regarding the Lindelof deal. If he does well, then we'll have managed to buy a new first choice central defence for less than a Virgil Van Dijk.
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You said people should be grateful at a £30m centre back signing. So I pointed out that £30m these days isn't a huge amount for a centre back in a climate where the likes of Keane are fetching £25m and a Southampton centre back is being talked about at a level around double.

Unfortunately £20-30m now seems to be almost minimum first teamer level fee.

I remember watching a shocking United v Pool game a couple of years back, and counting the fees of the players up and being amazed. It's only going further down that line until the market crashes out.
 
Pexbo said:
If we're paying a huge fee for him, it's in our interest to inflate the market for our competitors unless Madrid are trying to wrap up the Mbappe deal and have agreed a deal with us on the basis we don't announce it until they have done that. I guess we might also be trying to wrap other deals up without announcing we've spent over the odds on Morata first.
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Very likely to have some of this going on. The dangers of putting a whopping fee out there are obvious, as suddenly every club overrate their own players based on it.
It's going to be harder going forward, as these days all Premier league teams have tonnes of money and the risk of relegation is a higher cost than losing a transfer fee
 
vanderpants said:
The people sticking up for Ed, who do you think will get the blame for the disappointing transfer window if it stays this way? I can see jose having a dig at him in a press conference after we have lost a game and the pressure is on saying he gave him his list months ago.
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What can Wòdward do when he is handed unattainable targets? Just look at the clubs we are trying to buy players from there are the types that sell when they no longer want the player or have signed a better one because they are bona fide big clubs in their own rights. If we were targeting players from the likes of Monaco/Lyon we'd have made progress already.
 
MrSingh2002 said:
Jose has to shoulder alot of the blame if we fail to get our signings in time for the tour or start of the season. He weakened our bargaining position by putting all the pressure onto Woodward to get them in by a certain time.

The owners and chief execs across Europe can have a field day this way.
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Good point.
 
MrSingh2002 said:
Jose has to shoulder alot of the blame if we fail to get our signings in time for the tour or start of the season. He weakened our bargaining position by putting all the pressure onto Woodward to get them in by a certain time.

The owners and chief execs across Europe can have a field day this way.
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Even the rumoured potential signings this summer are, to be honest, pretty dull. Especially given were an elite club with a rubbish attack.

I mean some could turn out great and there may be surprise signings we aren't currently being linked to. But in general there's been little of note to get excited or inspired by. And if these are indeed the players that represent our best foot forward then its mourinho who is lacking imagination not Woodward. Hopefully José hasn't put too much in the Griezemann basket.

I just hope there's stuff in the works that isn't being talked about. When we look at even Liverpool a club with much lesser resources. They have already signed Salah who is rapid and suits their attack to a tee and are now after Kieta who seems very very highly rated. I like the profile they seem to be looking at in potential signings.
 
pocco said:
Anything been said about when Jose is back off his holiday?
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I think I've read somewhere he's starting work July the 1st, but probably not. Maybe tomorrow, Monday the 3rd.
 
ROFLUTION said:
I have a shady/good feeling that Morata is totally wrapped up and Woodie just not announcing it out of tactical reasons. Like for other clubs not signing key-players before we've had a go.
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Maybe he wants to wait until we go on tour so he can leave early to fly to Madrid for urgent transfer business and be the hero to all muppets.

Or not.
 
Infra-red said:
Neil Custis writes that Mourinho is frustrated with the lack of signings 9 days from the tour and is particularly concerned at the club's inability to get a deal for a new striker over the line, given Ibrahimovic's injury.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...o-fuming-manchester-united-transfer-activity/
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And today, Duncan Castles says Mourinho and Woodward are on a collision course, with Mourinho angered by the lack of progress:

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/jo...rd-manchester-united-transfers-094053274.html
 
A few more papers now saying Mourinho is unhappy at the lack of transfer activity so far. Anyone else still willing to say Woodward is doing a great job?

This has happened a few times now, he spends most of the summer negotiating only to end up with a deal he prob could have done within the first week and we haven't really saved any money nor given the players enough time to settle in before the season starts.

Personally I think he should stick to the commercial side of things which he has been brilliant at and bring in someone with top transfer negotiating skills.
 
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Nori- said:
A few more papers now saying Mourinho is unhappy at the lack of transfer activity so far. Anyone else still willing to say Woodward is doing a great job?

This has happened a few times now, he spends most of the summer negotiating only to end up with a deal he prob could have done within the first week and we haven't really saved any money nor given the players enough time to settle in before the season starts.

Personally I think he should stick to the commercial side of things which he has been brilliant at and bring someone with top transfer negotiating skills.
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That's a very hard case to prove, we have no idea how many millions he has or hasnt saved by staying at the negotiating table for longer. And even in instances where he hasnt ended up saving anything, doesnt mean it wasnt worth trying to get the best price possible.

I dont pay much attention to these reports that he is unhappy, fans are frustrated, why wouldnt he be? Still, Im sure he understands Woodward has a job to do and doesnt want to overpay. At the end of the day if we get the deals done by the end of this week, and he has even saved £5m on just one of them by holding out, it will have been worth it from the owners' perspective, as they will still be ready to go for the tour.
 
I would love to know how transfers at our club are handled... like a proper in-depth explanation of who does what, how clubs/players are contacted, how negotiations are carried out etc.

For all the openness of modern day football, huge transfers still remains somewhat a mystery
 
Reports starting to pop up about Jose not being impressed, this could turn very ugly very fast.

Pre season games soon and Jose will be holding multiple press confrences, you can bet he won't hold back if his guys aren't in place before the tour.

The window only officially opened a few days ago but the reality is we have a tour coming up and the season starts in 1 month, we need to get moving on deals.
 
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