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Will Spurs finish in the top four in the upcoming season?

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Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87 said:
They could get someone like Sigurdsson back. He would suit them well.
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I think for the price they'd be willing to part with him, I think that's a non-starter. Never know though, I know Swansea bid for Seri (albeit a bit of a derisory bid), so if they can replace that creativity before hand, may be willing to negotiate on the price.
 
Rafateria said:
I have no idea but it seems to be a feature of 'new contracts' although to be fair Coutinho's new contract doesn't contain one (according to the club) but then he's being paid a huge salary and there's probably a 'gentleman's agreement' in place a la Suarez. It just seems strange that at Spurs the players are paid far less than they could achieve elsewhere but they accept this without a RC ? Why and how has to be asked.
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First, the wage differentials are exaggerated by most fans. For example, with bonuses Kane is probably earning £130k+ at Spurs.

Second Spurs reportedly provide one of the most generous bonus payment systems in the Prem. They also provide frequently improved contracts for players that do well, so their rise up the income ladder is rapid, rather then being stuck on the same contract for years.

Third, most of them like being at Spurs for a variety of reasons (the manager, the training facilities, the progress within the club etc). As Kane has said, for quite a few footballers money is not the hugely over-riding factor that many fans suppose it to be.
 
balaks said:
We do lack pace in attacking areas.
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You lack a first teamer with pace. N'Koudou and N'Jie were/are both pacey but neither have really been given a chance to develop. Hence N'Jie was flogged off and N'Koudou is looking like the same scenario. Ultimately with Alli/Eriksen and Kane being undropable it's tough for any other attacker to really be given a chance outside of cup competitions. I do agree with you though, you do need someone with pace to break through occasionally. As bad as Sissoko is, he does at least provide that function from time to time, the problem is that his end product is then atrocious.
 
balaks said:
We do lack pace in attacking areas.
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It's the reason players like Navas still featured regularly for City in spite of possessing negligible end product. He stays wide, stretches the pitch and creates space for the more creative players in the middle. That's what I feel Spurs need. I know you were linked with Zaha last summer which many people derided but I honestly thought he'd have been a good addition.
 
RedSky said:
You lack a first teamer with pace. N'Koudou and N'Jie were/are both pacey but neither have really been given a chance to develop. Hence N'Jie was flogged off and N'Koudou is looking like the same scenario. Ultimately with Alli/Eriksen and Kane being undropable it's tough for any other attacker to really be given a chance outside of cup competitions. I do agree with you though, you do need someone with pace to break through occasionally. As bad as Sissoko is, he does at least provide that function from time to time, the problem is that his end product is then atrocious.
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In theory Sissoko could have been that player, in practice he appears to lack any semblance of footballing ability and has been a disaster. N'Koudou could still come good, he can play on either flank and is quick - only problem with him is that he still appears to be very raw and not quite ready though perhaps this season he could kick on a bit. If we do get Barkley he could help a bit, he is pretty quick and strong but with a much better technique than Sissoko (although I see him possibly playing further back).
 
BobbyManc said:
It's the reason players like Navas still featured regularly for City in spite of possessing negligible end product. He stays wide, stretches the pitch and creates space for the more creative players in the middle. That's what I feel Spurs need. I know you were linked with Zaha last summer which many people derided but I honestly thought he'd have been a good addition.
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Yeah I would have been quite happy with Zaha, he would give us the one thing we are lacking in the squad.
 
Onomah has joined Aston Villa on loan, not sure about that one, thought he might break through this season but he definitely has the playing style and ability to have a great season in the Championship. Although he will be playing with Whelan, so best of luck to him.
 
Blind said:
Onomah has joined Aston Villa on loan, not sure about that one, thought he might break through this season but he definitely has the playing style and ability to have a great season in the Championship. Although he will be playing with Whelan, so best of luck to him.
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In the long run it's probably a good move for him. He's a talented player and he showed that at the u20s. What he needs more than anything, though, is games. And more importantly, games in his preferred position. In the appearances he has made for Spurs, they've often been out wide, while his better position is as a deeper lying midfield player.

If he he gets regular game time at Villa and continues to develop, he could well play an important role for Spurs in the coming years. He has the ability, just needs a stage where he showcase it more regularly.

Regardless, we really need to make a couple of signings soon to improve squad depth...
 
I'm surprised myself, the thing is Onomah is a midfielder not a player an attacking midfielder where Poch has deployed him in most of his recent appearences. We're pretty loaded there with Moussa, Dier, Winks and Wanyama. Hopefully he will be like Walker and Rose and really step up on loan. I also think it's a sign that we're gonna be makin signings, I'm expecting at least 2.
 
Sounds like Sissoko is off to Trabzonspor on loan and with Onomah also going out on loan that surely means Tottenham are going to be signing some players. They're looking very short on players in their squad.
 
RedSky said:
Sounds like Sissoko is off to Trabzonspor on loan and with Onomah also going out on loan that surely means Tottenham are going to be signing some players. They're looking very short on players in their squad.
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Yeah Barkley is the obvious one here, Max Meyer's name has popped up recently too. We have pulled in about £70M in transfer fees this summer and honestly believe that money is there for player purchases. Levy has said our transfer policy is the same as it has been, which is basically a net one.

Having said that though both Sissoko and Onomah are CMs, we are pretty well stocked there with Moussa, Dier, Winks and Wanyama. What we do need is a RB and competion for Son, Eriksen and Ali. I'm hoping for 2-3 and believe it will happen but not till all the madness has ended.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Yeah Barkley is the obvious one here, Max Meyer's name has popped up recently too. We have pulled in about £70M in transfer fees this summer and honestly believe that money is there for player purchases. Levy has said our transfer policy is the same as it has been, which is basically a net one.
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I'd be surprised if you did actually go for Barkley. I just don't see it with him, I don't think he's a top 4 player at all, squad choice fair enough but I don't think he wants that. Max Meyer and Giovanni Simeone however would be very shrewd business.
 
RedSky said:
I'd be surprised if you did actually go for Barkley. I just don't see it with him, I don't think he's a top 4 player at all, squad choice fair enough but I don't think he wants that. Max Meyer and Giovanni Simeone however would be very shrewd business.
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I think Barkley is a bit of a risk but his improvement under a good manager was there to see that season, if Poch thinks he can work with him I'd be happy, I think £20-30M would be a safe signing. I liked what I seen from Meyer in the youth championship but not so much his time at Shalke, I've never seen Simeone play but considering he's Argentinian (Poch should know what he is about) and Diego's son it would bring some excitement. We have a few names for right back in Pereira probably the biggest name.

Recently the City kid Sancho as he clearly wants out, would bring a bit more depth up front.
 
Great performance and result today, but Trippier went off in the second half with and ankle injury. Think we were always going to get another RB but this will hopefully speed up the signing.
 
Are you even linked with any RB's or is it wishful thinking? I've seen you linked with Aurier but that's it and there is still the court case hanging over that one.
Spin it how you like but it's 1 week to the PL season and you haven't signed anyone. Hardly showing great intent, is it?
 
Is Trippier likely to be out for a period of time? Has there been any confirmation of what kind of injury it was? This is has drastic implications for my FPL squad.
 
BluesJr said:
Is Trippier likely to be out for a period of time? Has there been any confirmation of what kind of injury it was? This is has drastic implications for my FPL squad.
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I don't think anything has been confirmed yet but pretty sure Poch said he'll be getting a scan
 
Hopefully he's out long enough to derail their season.
 
IrishRedDevil said:
What madness? And how is any 'madness' affecting Spurs directly in the transfer market? Seems like a bizarre excuse to me.
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They'll leave it until deadline day and try to pick up a few players that haven't moved but are available.

They try for Barkley today and he's probably £35-40m. The idea will be on deadline day with only a year left on his contract and no other bids; Everton will blink and he'll sign for £20m.

It's a high risk strategy as I doubt Moshiri is in desperate need of £20m, but it's a typical Levy tactic.
 
finneh said:
They'll leave it until deadline day and try to pick up a few players that haven't moved but are available.

They try for Barkley today and he's probably £35-40m. The idea will be on deadline day with only a year left on his contract and no other bids; Everton will blink and he'll sign for £20m.

It's a high risk strategy as I doubt Moshiri is in desperate need of £20m, but it's a typical Levy tactic.
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Also quite a pathetic strategy trying to save £10/£15m considering they have £70m in their pocket from sales this summer alone. Usual small club mentality at its finest.

Surely a club that has finished 2nd would rather invest in players during preseason to give them a chance to settle in, bond with their new team mates etc. to try and improve next year, rather than rest on their laurels and make risky bids on deadline day.
 
IrishRedDevil said:
Also quite a pathetic strategy trying to save £10/£15m considering they have £70m in their pocket from sales this summer alone. Usual small club mentality at its finest.

Surely a club that has finished 2nd would rather invest in players during preseason to give them a chance to settle in, bond with their new team mates etc. to try and improve next year, rather than rest on their laurels and make risky bids on deadline day.
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IrishRedDevil said:
What madness? And how is any 'madness' affecting Spurs directly in the transfer market? Seems like a bizarre excuse to me.
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If you don't think the market is crazy ATM well there's not much I can say to convince you otherwise. Oh and I won't get into the "small club" mentality thing cause it's pretty childish and boring, you sound like your frothing at the mouth mate.
 
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IrishRedDevil said:
What madness? And how is any 'madness' affecting Spurs directly in the transfer market? Seems like a bizarre excuse to me.
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Barca coming in for Ali (potentially) - I mean would Levy really turn down say £120M - how about £150M... every player has a price - especially with Levy
I can see deadline day shenanigans with Barkley in and Ali out (and a chunk of the stadium paid for)
 
sun_tzu said:
Barca coming in for Ali (potentially) - I mean would Levy really turn down say £120M - how about £150M... every player has a price - especially with Levy
I can see deadline day shenanigans with Barkley in and Ali out (and a chunk of the stadium paid for)
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I very much doubt Barca are interested and I very much doubt if Levy would entertain anything other what they paid for Neymar which would basically Levy saying he's not for sale. It will be Sanchez or Coutinho.

Reports today are saying Everton have already dropped their asking price so the deal will happen sooner or later.
 
Spurs biggest problem is whilst the other clubs have been sacking managers and trying to bring in quality players, they haven't taken advantage of it. Leicester did. Great they are up there but still nothing to show for it.

Top Footballers basically have the same stuff; they live on the same street; drive the same cars; turn out for big clubs and play international football. Their careers won't be defied by how much money is in the bank but how many trophies they have won.

They are no closer to winning the league than last year, and you could argue this years gonna be harder. Utd and Real Madrid have already come knocking once so they know that spurs players have a price. If spurs don't win anything again this year, I can see another one of their big players going next season.....
 
InLevyITrust said:
I very much doubt Barca are interested and I very much doubt if Levy would entertain anything other what they paid for Neymar which would basically Levy saying he's not for sale. It will be Sanchez or Coutinho.

Reports today are saying Everton have already dropped their asking price so the deal will happen sooner or later.
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sooner would be my bet - I mean levy will want the replacement in place before he is sitting on that big chunk of change - but yeah honestly Ali, Erikson and Barkley - they do look quite similar in terms of their best position so O honestly wouldnt be surprised to see one of them go
 
InLevyITrust said:
If you don't think the market is crazy ATM well there's not much I can say to convince you otherwise. Oh and I won't get into the "small club" mentality thing cause it's pretty childish and boring, you sound like your frothing at the mouth mate.
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Frothing at the mouth? What on earth are you talking about? And why would I be 'frothing at the mouth' over anything to do with Spurs?

I simply provided an explanation to back up my small club mentality claim. You have earnt £70m for players this summer and haven't bought a single player yet, with the aim of trying to save a few million on deadline day. That's small time to me. Did buying Sissoko on deadline day not teach you anything about this risky strategy?

Regarding the market being crazy - hurry up and embrace it, as it's not simply going to change overnight. That's a silly excuse to make.
 
IrishRedDevil said:
Frothing at the mouth? What on earth are you talking about? And why would I be 'frothing at the mouth' over anything to do with Spurs?

I simply provided an explanation to back up my small club mentality claim. You have earnt £70m for players this summer and haven't bought a single player yet, with the aim of trying to save a few million on deadline day. That's small time to me. Did buying Sissoko on deadline day not teach you anything about this risky strategy?

Regarding the market being crazy - hurry up and embrace it, as it's not simply going to change overnight. That's a silly excuse to make.
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Your posting just seem a bit of a rant. If you classify us as a small club cause we're not as big as United then your right. Sissoko was a crazy but I have no problem admiring that, completely didn't fit what we were about.

We are following a few players and will buy at the price we feel is agreeable, it's as simple as that. Prices will obviously come down the closer to deadline day we get for teams who are looking to sell players, that's simple logic.

sun_tzu said:
sooner would be my bet - I mean levy will want the replacement in place before he is sitting on that big chunk of change - but yeah honestly Ali, Erikson and Barkley - they do look quite similar in terms of their best position so O honestly wouldnt be surprised to see one of them go
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Barkley Is being looked at for us to provide depth as he can cover for Eriksen, who we have been very lucky with injuries so far. All the talk is about Ali and Kane but IMO Eriksen is easily one of the most underrated players in the League if not Europe IMO. If he was playing at Barca, don't even want to think of that, people would rave about him.
 
IrishRedDevil said:
Also quite a pathetic strategy trying to save £10/£15m considering they have £70m in their pocket from sales this summer alone. Usual small club mentality at its finest .....
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Why pay extra money when you don't need to? It's not a "small club" that wants to save money - it's a stupid club that doesn't.

In any case, seeing as the original asking price was £50m, the actual saving may well be more than £10 - £15m
 
GlastonSpur said:
Why pay extra money when you don't need to? It's not a "small club" that wants to save money - it's a stupid club that doesn't.

In any case, seeing as the original asking price was £50m, the actual saving may well be more than £10 - £15m
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Reports saying Everton have already lowered their asking price to £35.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Why pay extra money when you don't need to? It's not a "small club" that wants to save money - it's a stupid club that doesn't.

In any case, seeing as the original asking price was £50m, the actual saving may well be more than £10 - £15m
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I see your point of course, but surely you would rather have a settled squad and give the new players adequate time to integrate with the new team during preseason?

On the flip side, there may be other clubs that will bid for the likes of Barkley, Aurier etc. on deadline day and their prices will increase and Spurs risk the possibility of missing out.

Anyway I see the logic behind your strateg, I just think it's too risky for my liking.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Your posting just seem a bit of a rant. If you classify us as a small club cause we're not as big as United then your right. Sissoko was a crazy but I have no problem admiring that, completely didn't fit what we were about.

We are following a few players and will buy at the price we feel is agreeable, it's as simple as that. Prices will obviously come down the closer to deadline day we get for teams who are looking to sell players, that's simple logic.
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But it doesn't always work like that, hence the panic exposed in the willingness to splash £30m on Sissoko last season. The longer Tottenham leave it, the more desperate they get, and the selling teams know that.
 
BobbyManc said:
But it doesn't always work like that, hence the panic exposed in the willingness to splash £30m on Sissoko last season. The longer Tottenham leave it, the more desperate they get, and the selling teams know that.
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I'm not saying it's not risky, but it's the way Levy does business, we aren't in the position like United are.
 
IrishRedDevil said:
Also quite a pathetic strategy trying to save £10/£15m considering they have £70m in their pocket from sales this summer alone. Usual small club mentality at its finest.

Surely a club that has finished 2nd would rather invest in players during preseason to give them a chance to settle in, bond with their new team mates etc. to try and improve next year, rather than rest on their laurels and make risky bids on deadline day.
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Fair enough if you can save £10-15m, especially if you're a club as heavily leveraged as Spurs with their stadium. However as a manager I can imagine hating having Levy as your chairman. Especially as he is also the quickest to sack them quickly once results turn sour.

You can just see the situation. Either Spurs start slowly or a key attacker get an injury and are out for 2-3 months with no one to come in and replace them. Levy ends up getting a bargain in last minute, but he isn't integrated with the team so has a poor start and with confidence on the floor ends up having a poor season. The manager gets the blame and is evens to be the next PL manager out of a job. The club end up paying far more in lost prize money and the managers severance pay than getting the players signed in July for several £m extra.

The same situation as occurred with Berbatov. Levy squeezes £5m extra out of the buying club but with no time to secure a replacement they get 2 points from their opening 8 games and the manager is unemployed.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Why pay extra money when you don't need to? It's not a "small club" that wants to save money - it's a stupid club that doesn't.

In any case, seeing as the original asking price was £50m, the actual saving may well be more than £10 - £15m
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I don't think it's silly either, Barkley wants to leave and Koeman wants to sell him if he doesn't want to stay. Waiting for a deadline bargain deal could pay dividends for you. If we get Siggy though i think it will go through earlier.
 
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