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Will Spurs finish in the top four in the upcoming season?


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Their ins and outs look to be one of the least improved of the top 6.

Miles off what United and City have added.

To be expect though, of course.
 
Their ins and outs look to be one of the least improved of the top 6.

Miles off what United and City have added.

To be expect though, of course.

What did we need to improve though?

Right back? - check

Proper back-up for Kane? - check

One of the most highly rated young defenders in Europe enabling us to play 3 at the back? - check.

I'm pretty happy tbh.
 
What did we need to improve though?

Right back? - check

Proper back-up for Kane? - check

One of the most highly rated young defenders in Europe enabling us to play 3 at the back? - check.

I'm pretty happy tbh.

Everyone needs to improve, safe for maybe Real Madrid right now.

It's not like you won the league either is it? You were short, others have improved more.

Some squad depth would help.

I do see your point though. There was a great article in The Guardian arguing that Spurs cannot improve on what they have as they have a good team and to improve on any player in the first XI would cost money that Spurs don't really have. Or at least, the sort of figures that we have never seen them spend before.
 
What did we need to improve though?

Right back? - check

Proper back-up for Kane? - check

One of the most highly rated young defenders in Europe enabling us to play 3 at the back? - check.

I'm pretty happy tbh.

You sold a quality right back. Probably the best in the league. So at best you might have gone sideways in that position.
 
What did we need to improve though?

Right back? - check

Proper back-up for Kane? - check

One of the most highly rated young defenders in Europe enabling us to play 3 at the back? - check.

I'm pretty happy tbh.
You still miss a good winger backup. That's the only thing I can criticize Spurs on.
 
You sold a quality right back. Probably the best in the league. So at best you might have gone sideways in that position.

Well sideways from the best right back in the league doesn't sound like a bad deal, particularly at half the price.
 
What did we need to improve though?

Right back? - check

Proper back-up for Kane? - check

One of the most highly rated young defenders in Europe enabling us to play 3 at the back? - check.

I'm pretty happy tbh.

Yep, me too. Moreover, I think we'll get Barkley in January for a snip, with Everton paying his wages in the meantime while he recovers from his injury.
 
That is the only thing we failed to get - I reckon we will go in for Barkley in January who can play in the right side of attack.

He's not the type of right wing you need. Spurs have needed a pacy wide player for 2 summers running now and Levy has failed to deliver that. Financial constraints are certainly part of the hold up, but I think there's an argument to be made that the money spent on Sanchez, which seems more like a long term move, would have been more valuable to buy a player to fill that void to push this team over the top in the short term.

You don't get a ton of opportunities to win the league. I'd value that a hell of a lot more than getting in Davinson Sanchez who has a lot of potential to be a great CB, but who's development is unlikely to help Spurs win more points in the near term.
 
What did we need to improve though?

Right back? - check

Proper back-up for Kane? - check

One of the most highly rated young defenders in Europe enabling us to play 3 at the back? - check.

I'm pretty happy tbh.
Agree with this.

It would have been nice to get a winger, though. And it sounds like we missed on some moves (Andre Gomes, Lucas Moura) due to leaving it late, although that's just something I've come to accept over the years.

Overall, happy that we were able to improve squad depth in some important areas.
 
He's not the type of right wing you need. Spurs have needed a pacy wide player for 2 summers running now and Levy has failed to deliver that. Financial constraints are certainly part of the hold up, but I think there's an argument to be made that the money spent on Sanchez, which seems more like a long term move, would have been more valuable to buy a player to fill that void to push this team over the top in the short term.

You don't get a ton of opportunities to win the league. I'd value that a hell of a lot more than getting in Davinson Sanchez who has a lot of potential to be a great CB, but who's development is unlikely to help Spurs win more points in the near term.

We clearly had money to spend - frankly more than I thought if the suggestion we were close to signing that guy from Barca for £40 million was accurate.

Yes I agree with the right sided forward player - it is something we need. Sometimes deals just don't come off though and Id rather we spend money on the players we really want rather than panic buy somebody to slot in. Sissoko is the perfect example of what I feared might happen so if we sign nobody vs signing the wrong player - i'd rather sign nobody.
 
I've noticed this alot.

You try and prove your arguments when challenged by simply turning things on their head and saying 'well can you prove otherwise?'. It's really nonsensical.

The only known facts are what JM and Anthony Martial say themselves, all of which point to him staying at the club and being pretty happy where he is. Even his family have reiterated this.

In the Sancho thread you decided that the player wants to move to Spurs to work with Poch as he is the best at developing players. When asked if it might be to do with the known fact he wants to move back to his family in London you piped up again asking others to prove this was the case.

What you need to understand is that if you're going to make massive assumptions you will be likely asked to explain why you have come to the conclusion and challenged by the credible evidence available. This is where you fall down and lose all credibility as you're unable to explain yourself or back up your opinion with logical, well thought-out discussion.

Hence why you're labeled a wind up.

How did that turn out for the London & Poch loving Sancho?
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We clearly had money to spend - frankly more than I thought if the suggestion we were close to signing that guy from Barca for £40 million was accurate.

Yes I agree with the right sided forward player - it is something we need. Sometimes deals just don't come off though and Id rather we spend money on the players we really want rather than panic buy somebody to slot in. Sissoko is the perfect example of what I feared might happen so if we sign nobody vs signing the wrong player - i'd rather sign nobody.

That's fair, mate. For me personally, I don't care for how Levy does his business in the market and I think it really prevents him from addressing key areas efficiently when he dithers.
 
How did that turn out for the London & Poch loving Sancho?
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There was a report that City refused to consider a move for him domestically. Will be interested to see how he gets on in Germany concidering it was thought he was homesick in Manchester lol.
 
There was a report that City refused to consider a move for him domestically. Will be interested to see how he gets on in Germany concidering it was thought he was homesick in Manchester lol.

Do you know if he was on a "youth" contract or a proper contract. Wonder how many years he had on it. Find it strange a player can't decide where he wants to go if there are other offers on the table.
 
Do you know if he was on a "youth" contract or a proper contract. Wonder how many years he had on it. Find it strange a player can't decide where he wants to go if there are other offers on the table.

Honestly know very little about it all, only he kicked up a huge fuss to leave. Basically went on strike, we tried but failed. We clearly should have involved him in part of the Walker deal. I'd say he is far from ready from a first team slot.
 
I thought Spurs fans were highly confident with Trippier as Walker's replacement :lol:. At the end of the day losing Walker was a big loss and need to be replaced with a proper top right back.
 
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The PR job reeks :lol:
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I think he was genuine here. No mention of the superb future stadium.

On serious note though, 2 huge signings for Tottenham. With Llorente, they have another dimension to their game aka target man. Aurier if he realizes his potential, he is adequate to replace Kyle Walker.
 
Sold Walker for £50m
Bought Aurier for £25m

Aurier is the better player of the two and he hasn't even entered his peak years yet. On paper, that's a solid sporting decision and a profitable business outcome. Well done by Spurs.
They've done well this window for sure.
 
Llorente now signed

IMO, this is your best signing by far. Having a quality backup for Kane is essential and it also means you'll have a bit of a plan B, as you can hit it up to Llorente and it will stick.

Overall, you've probably had one of the best transfer windows, arguably.
 
Looks like great business and a very good squad. I wonder if Wembley will be their undoing this year though.
 
Think they have made good buys Sanchez is a brilliant young defender, Aurier is a good RB and Llorente will provide the required depth for a season competing on all fronts.
 
IMO, this is your best signing by far. Having a quality backup for Kane is essential and it also means you'll have a bit of a plan B, as you can hit it up to Llorente and it will stick.

Overall, you've probably had one of the best transfer windows, arguably.

Yeah Llorente is an inspired signing imo - I've always rated him highly and he should be a really strong back-up for Kane. Was surprised and delighted when the news broke yesterday.
 
IMO, this is your best signing by far. Having a quality backup for Kane is essential and it also means you'll have a bit of a plan B, as you can hit it up to Llorente and it will stick.

Yeah Llorente is an inspired signing imo - I've always rated him highly and he should be a really strong back-up for Kane. Was surprised and delighted when the news broke yesterday.

Agree with this, although I think Spurs window has to viewed as a club who've finished top 3 for 2 seasons in a row and are competing to win the PL and CL, and in that sense, it's been a decent window, but far from great.

Another facet of the Llorente signing (one which won't be popular with Spurs fans on here, but if you're realistic, is a good thing for them), is that you could say they've potentially signed Kane's replacement already.

If they don't win anything again this season, I think the reality is that it'll become increasingly hard for them to keep hold of Kane - with Rom at Utd almost inevitably competing for the biggest trophies with José, Kane ain't gonna stay there indefinitely, he wants to win things. And Llorente easily has the quality to be main striker for a Top 4 club.

Indeed, I very much doubt Llorente would've signed if he thought he was just going there to be Kane's understudy. He'll certainly be aiming to become the main man there - and this way, he gets a season to bed in before potentially taking the lead role next Summer.
 
Agree with this, although I think Spurs window has to viewed as a club who've finished top 3 for 2 seasons in a row and are competing to win the PL and CL, and in that sense, it's been a decent window, but far from great.

Another facet of the Llorente signing (one which won't be popular with Spurs fans on here, but if you're realistic, is a good thing for them), is that you could say they've potentially signed Kane's replacement already.

If they don't win anything again this season, I think the reality is that it'll become increasingly hard for them to keep hold of Kane - with Rom at Utd almost inevitably competing for the biggest trophies with José, Kane ain't gonna stay there indefinitely, he wants to win things. And Llorente easily has the quality to be main striker for a Top 4 club.

Indeed, I very much doubt Llorente would've signed if he thought he was just going there to be Kane's understudy. He'll certainly be aiming to become the main man there - and this way, he gets a season to bed in before potentially taking the lead role next Summer.


Llorente is 32, he won't be replacing anyone. He was purchased with one thing in mind, as backup to Kane.
 
Looks like great business and a very good squad. I wonder if Wembley will be their undoing this year though.

Apart from a football season's usual wear and tear, the only thing that stands in their way is indeed the Wembley factor. It's just not the same playing at "home" now, compared to that intense and intimidating atmosphere they had at White Hart Lane.

Yeah I voted no in the poll for this reason alone, if they were at WHL this season theyd be contenders.

For sure, they probably would have been title challengers. I do think they'll crack top four this season regardless though. I also voted no initially, but have changed my mind since then. Spurs usually start slow anyway and they've also added some quality depth.
 
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Apart from a football season's usual wear and tear, the only thing that stands in their way is indeed the Wembley factor. It's just not the same playing at "home" now, compared to that intense and intimidating atmosphere they had at White Hart Lane.



For sure, they probably would have been tittle challengers. I do think they'll crack top four this season regardless though. I also voted no initially, but have changed my mind since then. Spurs usually start slow anyway and they've also added some quality depth.
I think the top 3 will be City, Chelsea and United in whatever order, and I can see Liverpool nabbing the fourth spot.
 
Great transfer window for Spurs, indeed!
 
Agree with this, although I think Spurs window has to viewed as a club who've finished top 3 for 2 seasons in a row and are competing to win the PL and CL, and in that sense, it's been a decent window, but far from great.

Another facet of the Llorente signing (one which won't be popular with Spurs fans on here, but if you're realistic, is a good thing for them), is that you could say they've potentially signed Kane's replacement already.

If they don't win anything again this season, I think the reality is that it'll become increasingly hard for them to keep hold of Kane - with Rom at Utd almost inevitably competing for the biggest trophies with José, Kane ain't gonna stay there indefinitely, he wants to win things. And Llorente easily has the quality to be main striker for a Top 4 club.

Indeed, I very much doubt Llorente would've signed if he thought he was just going there to be Kane's understudy. He'll certainly be aiming to become the main man there - and this way, he gets a season to bed in before potentially taking the lead role next Summer.

I actually think you're wrong there. They are playing the long game and I think would be happy coming 2nd/3rd/4th for 4 years in a row, whilst paying off the stadium. They're building a very functional squad for good prices and addressed every possible weak area they could, in one window.

I also think Kane's not the one they should worry about, it's people like Eriksen and Alli that would get Itchy feet. Kane's worked very hard to be the main man at Spurs and I think he has more loyalty to them for it. I see Kane there for a very long time and I also think you're grossly overrating Llorente, he is not top 4 main striker material.
 
One of five premier league clubs to make a profit on their activity this transfer window. They have certainly done well in that respect.
 
I actually think you're wrong there. They are playing the long game and I think would be happy coming 2nd/3rd/4th for 4 years in a row, whilst paying off the stadium. They're building a very functional squad for good prices and addressed every possible weak area they could, in one window.

I also think Kane's not the one they should worry about, it's people like Eriksen and Alli that would get Itchy feet. Kane's worked very hard to be the main man at Spurs and I think he has more loyalty to them for it. I see Kane there for a very long time and I also think you're grossly overrating Llorente, he is not top 4 main striker material.

Kane has stated himself, pointedly, that he desperately wants to win trophies.

I think that the competitive element of his personality is vastly underrated due to his manner and the general perception of him.

I do think he's more loyal than Alli or Eriksen, and if Spurs were to win even the League Cup he'd stay, but if they win nothing, again, I think 2 of the 3 will leave. Likewise if/when Pochettino leaves (something that surprisingly few people seem to entertain), Kane would look away I believe.

The bottom line is that if he keeps posting similar stats, Kane should soon be earning 200k plus a week, there's just no avoiding that, as should Alli, as should Eriksen. Add to that they want trophies.

You have to understand that unless Spurs do one of these, they will lose these players.

Also, Llorente is definitely good enough to be 1st choice striker for a team that finishes Top 4 and doesn't win trophies - not saying that's what Spurs will do, or not, just saying that he's easily good enough in a team that strong.
 
Free transfers like this and Sanchez will mean huge signing on fees and/or wages though.

That matters little, because any signing-on fee will be far less than the savings on transfer fee. And the wages offered will most likely be the same as were on offer before.
 
That matters little, because any signing-on fee will be far less than the savings on transfer fee. And the wages offered will most likely be the same as were on offer before.

In light of recent events, all the new signings etc, how would you rate Spurs' chances of finishing the season in the top 4?
 
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