Should've been a penalty and red card too for Bravo's challenge on Rooney
Manchester City 17/18 discussion | "If you're here for the Champions clap your hands" (#6505)
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Should've been a penalty and red card too for Bravo's challenge on Rooney
Guess you would still beat us to the 4th spot though
This myth is still repeated every week!
The game was stopped from minute 89:50 to 91:10 for the ref’s conversation with the managers, and from minute 92:10 to 93:30 for Afobe’s treatment and eventual substitution, but hey let us not let facts get in the way of a great story.
Well, if you consider the Barca beating team which occured about the same date as some sort of benchmark starting eleven, then it was different in 9 places (only Otamendi and Caballero featured in both games as starters, while the latter was the then-second choice anyway). So it pretty much was, but anyway, it's a weird form of measurement as those were nice trophies and all, but hardly prove Mourinho's methods to be more effective.
You lost the game and won nothing. Those are the facts. Don't be so uptight about it!
The League Cup? I had to be reminded last season that City were the holding champions. Trust me, no City fans are irked by the fact United won it. I couldn't even say who you played in the final to win it.
Edit: messed up multi quote.
I did not throw out any excuses about the league cup merely said in Peps view he did not care about winning that game so the argument that Jose had a more successful season because he won a competition Pep did not care about is flawed.
Also go back to past league cup and Europa league threads here and see how many people belittle those competitions and scoff at them. Saying they aren't major titles. Not saying winning them isn't an achievement, but not to that large a degree.
Google is amazing isn't it.
I did not throw out any excuses about the league cup merely said in Peps view he did not care about winning that game so the argument that Jose had a more successful season because he won a competition Pep did not care about is flawed.
Also go back to past league cup and Europa league threads here and see how many people belittle those competitions and scoff at them. Saying they aren't major titles. Not saying winning them isn't an achievement, but not to that large a degree.
But you can all name the starting XI that played United when you were knocked out
Google is amazing isn't it.
Opinion doesn't matter. They ARE classed as major honours. Simple as that.
But you can all name the starting XI that played United when you were knocked out
I couldn't recall it off the top of my head, without checking I'd have remembered Maffeo and Garcia only because the two youth kids who played were our best players on the day. I also remember Fernando because he was shit. Not sure why you want to try and deny City played a considerably weakened team in comparison to United, it's pretty evident when you actually look at who played.
It wasn't as weak as you lot like to make out and you brought on Sterling and Aguero in the second half.
Not sure why it's even a topic. You lost the match. Move on.
I never argued they weren't classified as major honours what I have been saying is what one calls success is an opinion. And by your reasoning if there is no room for opinion in terms of major honours then everything classed as a major honour should be treated equally? So you would say a team that one the league cup and one who one the league had the same success?
PS I'm still a newbie so won't be able to reply until tomorrow. I am rather impressed how quickly you respond.
No of course there's an order in which these major honours are ranked, a League win over a season is more impressive than a cup run for example, but when judging success at any level you look to see who has won what. United won the Europa league and League Cup (+ CL place). Two competitions they entered they won and were successful in.
Jose had a more successful season than Pep. Not sure what's to disagree with really.
Also just like Kompany could have been sent off yesterday Aki should have been sent off for an even more blatant goal scoring opportunity
Of course trophies count and fair play for winning 2 last season whereas we didn’t win any.
BUT....if you conducted a survey now and asked both sets of fans how happy they are with their respective managers there is absolutely no doubt that at this moment in time City fans are far more happy with Guardiola than United fans are with Mourinho, despite the latter holding a 2-0 lead in the Manchester trophy count.
Have a seat mate. Don't compare Ederson to De Gea again. Ederson is an average keeper. End of
I wasn’t comparing Ederson with De Gea, just their relative passing abilities. If you can’t see the difference, I suggest you ask the stewards to turn your seat to face the pitch.
Have a seat mate. Don't compare Ederson to De Gea again. Ederson is an average keeper. End of
Ederson’s pass success rate is 83.6% and De Gea’s is 56.9%.
Isuggest it's you that needs the seat, but try turning it to face the pitch.
My comments about how little a distance some of your team cover appear to have fallen on equally unreceptive ears. Sooner or (preferably) later, somebody at your club is going to wake up and realise the importance of such things. It won’t be Mourinho.
Hate to say it but they need to go through an injury crisis like we have been through, I want see them without KDB and Sane. Otherwise wise the feckers look un stoppable, but hopefully we can win our 3 games before the derby and put everything we have in this game I know Jose can do it, he can stop City's Pep like he did with Barca but it took him a good time doing it.
Talk about abuse of stats.
If you can't see the difference in where they pass the ball then it's no use to put some random stats. Here is a hint, one passes the ball to CBs most of the time, other kicks the ball to midfield.
Btw Smalling as better passing success rate than Kompany and KdB. You think Smalling is better passer of the ball than the other 2?
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That's true, but that's because our fans aren't ever happy. We could have Pep and they'd still find something to moan about, don't worry about that.
It would help your point if indeed Smalling has a better passing success rate than Kompany which he hasn’t, and if KdB was a defender.
There is no point comparing the two keepers. De Gea has been one of the best keepers in the world for some time, while Ederson is only a few games in, although showing good signs.
Talking about distribution though, its not just about the short passes to CBs, Ederson has great long ball accuracy stats.
Yeah, lets take Lingard and compare him with KdB, easier to make my point.
Every fanbase has fans like that mate. Believe me, we have our fair share of moaning fookers too but they seem to have gone quiet this season for some strange reason. It does show what a difference less than a year makes though - back in January after we got dicked 4-0 by Everton, the knives were out for Guardiola all over the show with the expert opinion seemingly being that his brand of football won't work in England. It's fair to say that it's been working quite well so far this season. I emphasise the words so far as you never know what might happen in the future. A few bad results and it all flips round again.
This is how criticism is directed at Guardiola by the English media - I think few seem to recall how inane the questions were for most of his press conferences last season. If it doesn't succeed, it proves he's a fraud or that it can't work in England. If it does, well they'll find something new to criticize. Pep understands this and knows all he can do is stick to his approach
It might also have something to do with that fact that prior to Pep signing for City, both Manchester clubs were underperforming.
Guardiola was at Bayern (i.e. gettable for anyone that wanted him) and Mourinho was not on a job.
The United board must have realised for some time that van Gaal wasn't going to work out, so in theory, there was nothing stopping United from making a big decison to court Pep, get his directors in place and sign him.
We didn't. We did nothing. If we had done something then Pep would have joined us; of that I am certain. Why would any manager choose City over United, all else being the same (that's rhetorical - the answer is that they wouldn't)?
City swooped in and snatched him.
United signed Mourinho as a counter. Would we have signed Mourinho if City had instead signed, say, Ancelotti? Probably not. I think that our board wanted to go down the "look what the other side have done... we better go like for like" path.
Now look at our general football and then look City's general football. I would hazard a guess that trophy count a season ago is pretty irrelevant when we look at the big picture, which is that United look nowhere near City's level in terms of football and to an extent ambition.
That is probably why a lot of our fans are currently not completely happy.
Barely anyone outside the United fanbase critises Guardiola.
The media love him because he likes to have his players pass the ball a bit. The fact that he always has clearly the best players is something of an afterthought to his cultists.
You weren't following his press conferences last season then
Maybe that's because your goalkeeper passes the ball out most of the time while DDG plays a more traditional goalkeeper role and usually doesn't pass it out. De Gea is very good on the ball he showed his dribbling and passing skills before especially in the LvG days.
It’s well documented that Fergie talked with Pep about the United job when he was on his sabbatical. Pep never rang him back, Pellegrini was always a stop gap for Pep and he had a gentleman’s agreement in place with our director of football that he would go to Bayern before taking over at City.
Why would he chose City over United? The opportunity to work with Bergiristein and Soriano again, would he get the players he wanted if he was working with Woodward? He also says he has more control than what he had at Bayern and Barca, would he get that at United? It looks already like Jose is at loggerheads with Woodward over transfers, would Pep be happy with that?
I'll be honest, mate. I didn't follow them. I didn't follow Mourinho's either.
What was the general feeling throughout Pep's ones?
Pep was always going to go to City before United with the Spaniards running our club
As a said in my post, United could have courted not only Pep but also his directors. All part of a plan.
Hey, you guys got him. It's all good.
I was paraphrasing discontent for what I assumed would be the general United fan not happy with Jose.
Personally, I love Jose and never wanted Guardiola here. Pep is probably the best manager in the world but I just don't like the style of his football.
I find it boring.
yeah but Tixi et al. joined City 5 years ago when Fergie was still in charge so long before Van Gal etc.
IF you find City's football boring then fair enough, I've never seen us play more exciting football in my life
De Gea has great ball handling, but he doesn't make use of it in the same way as Ederson, Neuer or Ter Stegen. It's obvious that one big factor is United's playing style compared to those other teams, but even under Van Gaal his passing rates were either equal (15/16), or notably better (14/15) but still far from the level of a ball-playing keeper. In games for Spain I saw him resorting to long balls quite often too, so it's not just Mourinho. I'll wait for the WC for a definite judgement, but so far I'd say it's his personal style as well, independent of who he plays for.
Some stats including 14/15 for comparison (passes and distribution describe different types of passes)
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m...ses/pass_completion/distribution_accuracy#avg
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So many stupid questions on a weekly basis. If you thought Pep's facial tics were irritating, I suspect many of those experiences in the pressys had a great deal to do with it. He seems a bit more relaxed now although he's understandably quick to dismiss the invincibles/undefeated discussions
Then why not take it to another level and compare him to Chelsea’s Boga, 100% passing accuracy, completing 4 great passes.
I am fairly sure this place has more City fans than any other forum barring Bluemoon. One person among thousands criticizes city and a 100 City fans pounce while the rest of the thread is praise for City.
Now I agree that you should win all the domestic competitions and are in a good shout for the CL, but I haven't seen an influx like this since Russian bots in the US presidential election.
Now I agree that you should win all the domestic competitions and are in a good shout for the CL, but I haven't seen an influx like this since Russian bots in the US presidential election.
I think Pep joining you was a given. City were planning for it for a long time as you said. They bought Pep's brother a club for God's sake; imagine the money exchanging hands in that deal. If that isn't going all out, I don't know what is.
That isn't limited to Pep, all managers, especially those at the top sides, deal with inane press conferences. Best not to give them too much attention.
In my defence I joined up here over 4 years before you did so I'm hardly part of the recent influx
I think most posts are just factually correcting some of the repetitive fiction spouted.
It’s boring, but the likes of namco and his alter egos keep popping up. Other threads I’m sure are plagued by some newbie wannabes, but there’s a really special level of delusional newbie poster in this thread and similar.
As @FCBarca alluded to, stop saying stupid things and have a factual discussion.