Manchester City 17/18 discussion | "If you're here for the Champions clap your hands" (#6505)

Yagami said:
It's very easy to get tickets to any game, too. Since my brothers been back from Korea he's been to every home game and bought the tickets at a snap of the finger.
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Lucky him :)

I think the relative cheap match tickets and season cards on offer will always allow for folk to miss games, and not worry about losing to much money. Therefore they are easy to pick up off someone fairly cheap for certain games.
Theres thousands of Seasoncards priced at £15 a game.
 
Costanza70 said:
You would have to put this as Barca having a bad day rather than City being a European force. You have to beat the top teams on a regular basis to become part of the elite. They have beaten Bayern a few times but all these games were dead rubbers. They knocked out PSG but they were having an injury crisis at the time. They were knocked out last season by a team with little CL experience. They've played well against Napoli this season but they are proritising the league.
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So basically City should just arrange random fixtures with the best teams in Europe week in, week out because you think that even they do it, it's because of some external reasons or due to the incompetence of the opponent?
 
DDG is the best keeper in the world. But Ederson seems perfect for their system: not only great at passing the ball but also very brave, decisive and quick. That moment when he reached the ball before Mane was one of the most crucial for them this season.
 
Treble said:
DDG is the best keeper in the world. But Ederson seems perfect for their system: not only great at passing the ball but also very brave, decisive and quick. Him being able to reach the ball before Mane was one of the most crucial moments for them this season.
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That moment, and the kompany avoiding straight red on vardy tackle.

The only one who reached their first instead of ederson was lukaku in the preseason friendly followed by an acute finish.:D
 
Blue doomer said:
Lucky him :)

I think the relative cheap match tickets and season cards on offer will always allow for folk to miss games, and not worry about losing to much money. Therefore they are easy to pick up off someone fairly cheap for certain games.
Theres thousands of Seasoncards priced at £15 a game.
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I'm honestly not sure about the details but he's a valued member of Citys community having been a season ticket holder for well over a decade before moving to Seoul around a decade ago. He had some sort of relationship with the club. Even after moving to Seoul he still had a yearly season ticket for a few seasons but gave it to my uncle (who's also a City fan and has been best friends with former City player Paul Lake since childhood).
 
I don't think theres anyone that disagree's with that fact the for now City are the best team in england. *FOR NOW*
Even if we ignore the oil money posts, still any City fan who thinks you can keep up with this form for the entire season is really delusional. Even the greatest Barca teams lost at a certain point, abd by the history of Pep's crisis handling, when hes teams go into bed spells, it takes him time to get out of it. Remember you were flying high last season thinking you were gonna run away with the league? Or the year before that when Pep's Bayern got into a crisis and lost like 4 in a row.

You can't always win, I wanna see how you hold up when you lose. Hopefully we'll be there in great shape when you finally do.
 
They are miles ahead of everyone else in the league at the moment in the terms of the players they have and the system they play. Guardiola has a team that is fully capable of playing his style of football and it’s going to take something special to stop them dominating the league for the next few years.

Mourinho struggled against him at Madrid and he’s going to struggle against him here. The next Manchester derby is going to be you lot spending 89 minutes trying to stop them playing and 1 minute trying to snatch a goal.
 
Dr. StrangeHate said:
So after 20 games Ederson is better keeper than De Gea and who you wouldn't trade for anyone. The same De Gea who has the following awards:
I hope it never happens but if you guys win a treble or win the PL three years in a row; will Jesus be better than Maradona, De Bryune better than Zidane, Sane better than Ronaldo, Aguero better than Pele.

Edit: Sorry padr81, you quoted here just to provide context.
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I wonder if someday an unknown kid at 17 years old, starts playing and make miraculous saves every game, never fails a pass, never suffer a goal in an entire season and score some box to box goals, he will still not be labelled the best in the world, because he doesn't have status, isn't well-known amongst the fans.
I'm not trying to say Ederson is better than De Gea, who have been WC for some years, but if Ederson is better nowadays, you would never addmit it.
If Ederson is performing so good so far, why would you want to trade him for any other keeper?
 
SLBenfica1904 said:
I wonder if someday an unknown kid at 17 years old, starts playing and make miraculous saves every game, never fails a pass, never suffer a goal in an entire season and score some box to box goals, he will still not be labelled the best in the world, because he doesn't have status, isn't well-known amongst the fans.
I'm not trying to say Ederson is better than De Gea, who have been WC for some years, but if Ederson is better nowadays, you would never addmit it.
If Ederson is performing so good so far, why would you want to trade him for any other keeper?
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Because Ederson is still not better nowadays even if you consider this season in isolation. Also Ederson is 24 not 17 and hasn't shown anying up to now that he will be better than De Gea. Contrast that with Messi at 17 who everyone was saying will be unplayable in the future.
I have no problem admitting Machester City is the best team in the world at the moment and look unlikely to drop points let alone lose. I am fairly certain they will beat us at Old Trafford or atleast get a draw but saying you wouldn't have anyone over Ederson after 20 games is ludicrous.
 
Mastadon said:
They are miles ahead of everyone else in the league at the moment in the terms of the players they have and the system they play. Guardiola has a team that is fully capable of playing his style of football and it’s going to take something special to stop them dominating the league for the next few years.

Mourinho struggled against him at Madrid and he’s going to struggle against him here. The next Manchester derby is going to be you lot spending 89 minutes trying to stop them playing and 1 minute trying to snatch a goal.
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Mourinho eventually stopped his dominance in Spain. I'd bet given time he'd do the same here. Neither will be at their respective clubs for much longer anyway imo.
 
Mastadon said:
Mourinho struggled against him at Madrid and he’s going to struggle against him here. The next Manchester derby is going to be you lot spending 89 minutes trying to stop them playing and 1 minute trying to snatch a goal.
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Why are you lying? He only struggled against him when he first joined Madrid and thats normal cause one was coahing his team from the fking begging of times and the other just freaking joined a new team, once things settled things turned arround for good and Mourinho did what no other could do for years with Madrid, that is being the better side of the two was it like the last how many classicos where Madrid dominated all games? Not only also he broke tbe record goal with Madrid but if not for the most controversial referee decisions in football era happening in champions league for Barca he would also anhiliate him i europe as well, don't make me laugh with your words, people only want to remember the 1st 5-0 classico, not the latest ones where Mourinho clearly showed he is the better coach of the two even though Pep had always had better players at his disposal and Always teams that were never broken before he arrived.
 
robinamicrowave said:
I appreciate you might be new to posting on football forums but these arguments have gone round and round in circles since the day we were taken over.
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It is a simple well known fact
robinamicrowave said:
I appreciate you might be new to posting on football forums but these arguments have gone round and round in circles since the day we were taken over.
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Greek9 said:
Why are you lying? He only struggled against him when he first joined Madrid and thats normal cause one was coahing his team from the fking begging of times and the other just freaking joined a new team, once things settled things turned arround for good and Mourinho did what no other could do for years with Madrid, that is being the better side of the two was it like the last how many classicos where Madrid dominated all games? Not only also he broke tbe record goal with Madrid but if not for the most controversial referee decisions in football era happening in champions league for Barca he would also anhiliate him i europe as well, don't make me laugh with your words, people only want to remember the 1st 5-0 classico, not the latest ones where Mourinho clearly showed he is the better coach of the two even though Pep had always had better players at his disposal and Always teams that were never broken before he arrived.
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Mourinho had C.Ronaldo the greatest footballer ever. Teams were at leaat equal
 
IrishRedDevil said:
Don't talk nonsense!
You think top players such as Matic, Pogba and Martial, who have played to a high level under several different managers, in several different teams/leagues and on the international stage, could not play for Pep in this City side?

What can Fernandinho do that Matic can't?
What can Silva do that Pogba can't?
What can Sane do that Martial can't?

Jones and Bailly are both better than Stones and Otamendi, so I'll not even ask you that question.

Those players would easily play for City. Also Matic and Pogba have better mobility than Silva and Fernandinho, so don't spin such bullshit.
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The answer, in my opinion, is not talent but consistency. Having watched your games vs Huddersfield and Southampton among others, I've seen great examples of players like Mkhitaryan and Martial having really off days. City have done that too occasionally this season but have enough depth that someone else will get the job done.
 
For what it's worth, there's no reason why Ederson can't surpass De Gea in the future. He's still very young.
 
SqualorVictoria said:
So basically City should just arrange random fixtures with the best teams in Europe week in, week out because you think that even they do it, it's because of some external reasons or due to the incompetence of the opponent?
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To be taken seriously as a European force they will have to have a run of sustained success. This means getting to at least the QF but also SF & Finals. Going out at the group stage one year, SF the next, round of 32 the next is not consistent. Wins against big teams can be put down as flash in the pans.
 
How did Foden play last night? Only managed to catch a bit of the u23's Derby against City on Saturday and didn't see much of him.
 
DanClancy said:
How did Foden play last night? Only managed to catch a bit of the u23's Derby against City on Saturday and didn't see much of him.
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Didn't have that much involvement, but looked tidy and not out of place when on the ball. His close control is fantastic. Diaz's cameo was even more brief, but he looked lively as well. Both players are definitely ready to get some game time under their belts this season as the fixtures pile up. I'd expect both to start against Shakhtar.
 
I've noticed that City have struggled in every game in which Sane didn't start or was played out of position: Everton, Bournemouth, Wolves, Feyenoord. He looks inconsistent at times but gives their attack another dimension.
 
Treble said:
I've noticed that City have struggled in every game in which Sane didn't start or was played out of position: Everton, Bournemouth, Wolves, Feyenoord. He looks inconsistent at times but gives their attack another dimension.
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Yeah, Sane provides more width than Sterling does imo and when he doesn't play it's easier to congest the pitch against City.
 
YetAnotherCityFan said:
For what it's worth, there's no reason why Ederson can't surpass De Gea in the future. He's still very young.
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He's 3 years younger than De Gea. 3 years ago, De Gea was a better keeper than Ederson is now.

Now, obviously everything can happen and Ederson is a very good keeper on his own, but De Gea is just a much better keeper. The only thing Ederson has over De Gea is his distribution of the ball, but De Gea himself is no slouch in that aspect of the game.
 
cyberman said:
@YetAnotherCityFan
Theres every reason why Ederson can't surpass DDG, that very young goalkeeper is 3 years younger than David.
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I didn't realise you could predict the future - when you get a minute, PM me Saturday's lottery numbers. Ta.

On topic, am I the only one who can't be bothered getting in a discussion where we're comparing the two? Both sets of fans are happy with their respective first choice keepers. De Gea is a fantastic keeper, otherwise we wouldn't be wishing Real to come back in for him. And if they do and you can't hold them off, just make sure that poxy fax machine is working properly this time please.

As for Ederson, well he needs to get a few years of consistent performances under his belt but so far he's been impressive for us. He's a clear upgrade on Bravo's form of last season and a clear upgrade on Hart who has sadly regressed over the past couple of years.
 
The way to beat City? You just have to hope they are in a bad mood on that day.
Can't see another way to stop them atm.
 
AshRK said:
Lol you hit them where it hurts them the most. Never mention the past to them. Let's pretend the football started from 2010 when talking to any city fan.
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dunno what that comment was in relation to but I'll bite on this one, I loved trundling through the divisions, away days to York, Port Vale, Walsall etc were great days in the late 90's early 2000's, I don't know any City fan who ignores the past. Football grounds have become really sterile with identikit new grounds over the years, hopefully if they bring back some sort of standing then the atmosphere in grounds will improve and it'll be a right laugh to go to games again on a more regular basis.
 
Thunderhead said:
dunno what that comment was in relation to but I'll bite on this one, I loved trundling through the divisions, away days to York, Port Vale, Walsall etc were great days in the late 90's early 2000's, I don't know any City fan who ignores the past. Football grounds have become really sterile with identikit new grounds over the years, hopefully if they bring back some sort of standing then the atmosphere in grounds will improve and it'll be a right laugh to go to games again on a more regular basis.
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No one seems to go to City games really anyway tbh.. just look at the blue seats :smirk:
 
@M18CTID
You don't have to be psychic to argue against a player who wasn't in the conversation of the conversation 3 months ago having NO reason why he can't surpass DDG who has been world class for years now .
Coupled with being basically the same age as DDG for a goalkeeper.
Sorry if Im being outlandish here
 
Thunderhead said:
dunno what that comment was in relation to but I'll bite on this one, I loved trundling through the divisions, away days to York, Port Vale, Walsall etc were great days in the late 90's early 2000's, I don't know any City fan who ignores the past. Football grounds have become really sterile with identikit new grounds over the years, hopefully if they bring back some sort of standing then the atmosphere in grounds will improve and it'll be a right laugh to go to games again on a more regular basis.
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Trust me there are many. They get irritated when mentioned pre sheik era and start talking irrational things. But good to see you (a city fan) for a change accepting and loving your past. I think many city fans can follow your path.
 
AshRK said:
Trust me there are many. They get irritated when mentioned pre sheik era and start talking irrational things. But good to see you (a city fan) for a change accepting and loving your past. I think many city fans can follow your path.
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But out of the other side of their mouth they'll admit there's something sterile about match days now, despite the fabulous football. Tbf to a lot of them, they're quite proud of that past when they were recognized for being "genuine" fans of a "genuine" club through the deluded massive but bang average to downright crap years. Being taken over and run by a country makes you an entirely different entity, undoubtedly they've lost some identity while gaining the keys to Fort Knox.
 
cyberman said:
@M18CTID
You don't have to be psychic to argue against a player who wasn't in the conversation of the conversation 3 months ago having NO reason why he can't surpass DDG who has been world class for years now .
Coupled with being basically the same age as DDG for a goalkeeper.
Sorry if Im being outlandish here
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You're not being outlandish - I was just pointing out that none of us know what Ederson's ceiling is. It would admittedly have to be pretty high to surpass De Gea but it's not impossible. Either way, if he never quite gets there but gives us some good years then that'll do for me.
 
Needham said:
But out of the other side of their mouth they'll admit there's something sterile about match days now, despite the fabulous football. Tbf to a lot of them, they're quite proud of that past when they were recognized for being "genuine" fans of a "genuine" club through the deluded massive but bang average to downright crap years. Being taken over and run by a country makes you an entirely different entity, undoubtedly they've lost some identity while gaining the keys to Fort Knox.
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I don't know if it's a generational thing but I think any football fan of a top flight club who grew up in the 80's and has been in the lower divisions will see that match days in identikit grounds like the SoL, Saint Marys, The Riverside, Pride Park, the King Power etc etc and being told to sit down every two mins is sterile
 
AshRK said:
Trust me there are many. They get irritated when mentioned pre sheik era and start talking irrational things. But good to see you (a city fan) for a change accepting and loving your past. I think many city fans can follow your path.
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Who are these "many" that you speak of. Looking at your location, I wouldn't imagine there are too many City fans round your way so you can't be talking about too many (or any at all) that you personally know. So then it comes down to those that post on the internet, and believe me if you look at the City forums as much as Bluemoon gets a slating on here there are always plenty of nostalgic posts knocking about on there about the days when we were utterly shit but the fans still had a great time following the club up and down the country. So if it isn't people you know and it isn't people who post on the City forums, it then comes down to the handful that post on here and to be honest I don't think there are any City fans that post on here who refuse to talk about the pre-ADUG days so with all due respect I think you're exaggerating things hugely mate. Fooking hell, I'll happily reminisce all day and night about the numerous memories of away days from yesteryear but I don't bang on about it on here as it would bore the shit out of most of you.
 
Thunderhead said:
I don't know if it's a generational thing but I think any football fan of a top flight club who grew up in the 80's and has been in the lower divisions will see that match days in identikit grounds like the SoL, Saint Marys, The Riverside, Pride Park, the King Power etc etc and being told to sit down every two mins is sterile
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True. But apart from the stadium those clubs haven't experienced the radical dis-conjunction with the past that you have. Of course, it's all for the good from your perspective and those clubs, especially Middlesborough and Derby, will envy you, but you've been knocked down and rebuilt.
 
M18CTID said:
Who are these "many" that you speak of. Looking at your location, I wouldn't imagine there are too many City fans round your way so you can't be talking about too many (or any at all) that you personally know. So then it comes down to those that post on the internet, and believe me if you look at the City forums as much as Bluemoon gets a slating on here there are always plenty of nostalgic posts knocking about on there about the days when we were utterly shit but the fans still had a great time following the club up and down the country. So if it isn't people you know and it isn't people who post on the City forums, it then comes down to the handful that post on here and to be honest I don't think there are any City fans that post on here who refuse to talk about the pre-ADUG days so with all due respect I think you're exaggerating things hugely mate. Fooking hell, I'll happily reminisce all day and night about the numerous memories of away days from yesteryear but I don't bang on about it on here as it would bore the shit out of most of you.
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I do not think you understood my post well here. I mean when a rival fans mention (as a dig) anything pre sheikh times they respond in a very irrational manner and of course most are the so called new football supporters.

And let us not even mention bluemoon, do you even think a rival fan has a chance to express his thought. I know there are some city fan posters here who are really good, and I mean real good. But unfortunately many elsewhere sound very bitter and hard to talk football with and bluemoon is one big reason for that.
 
Needham said:
But out of the other side of their mouth they'll admit there's something sterile about match days now, despite the fabulous football. Tbf to a lot of them, they're quite proud of that past when they were recognized for being "genuine" fans of a "genuine" club through the deluded massive but bang average to downright crap years. Being taken over and run by a country makes you an entirely different entity, undoubtedly they've lost some identity while gaining the keys to Fort Knox.
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To be fair, football has been getting increasingly sterile/sanitised at City and every other English top flight club since long before City got taken over. It's a nationwide thing. I was drinking with some Feyenoord fans last night in town and we were explaining to them that English football is pretty much fooked when it comes to atmosphere and the only real chance we have of getting it back is if safe standing was legalised. They were surprised to hear that most home atmospheres over here outside of derby matches and big games are benign.
 
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