Parliament currently at war with the cabinet over the report.
Just release it you twats.
Just release it you twats.
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That's HIM?
The bastard. Im supposed to be meeting her in Heathrow next month, I sent her £1000.
I really hope they dobt let Davis get away with it, the useless git.
David Lammy has a good series of tweets on the issue.
I think he'd be extraordinarily lucky to get away with it, the people attacking him over this come from all sides of the commons, including both Leave and Remain supporters. Parliament get really pissed when people try to subvert their authority.
Government is thinking about a new motion to excuse their actions. I don't think they have a chance in hell personally, but we'll see.
Government is thinking about a new motion to excuse their actions. I don't think they have a chance in hell personally, but we'll see.
Its just hilarious when this kind of thing comes up when the whole exercise is supposedly about British parliamentary sovereignty. You just couldnt make it up.
That David Davis didn't even show up days a lot - he isn't afraid of releasing the reports, he just doesn't want to be there for the grilling from the select committe.
Why anyone would think he us a suitable negotiator for the most complex deal in the modern history of the UK is beyond me. The guys a total fraud.
Why anyone would think he us a suitable negotiator for the most complex deal in the modern history of the UK is beyond me. The guys a total fraud.
Apparently the comprehensive, excruciatingly detailed impact reports aren't enough to fill 2 ring binders 
and that counts as suitable preparation does it?
Call the whole thing off now its beyond a joke.
and that counts as suitable preparation does it?Call the whole thing off now its beyond a joke.
@C3Pique Which Brexiteer would you put in charge of it? Gove has his admirers but his time in education casts doubt on his ability to deal with these kinds of highly sensitive issues. Plus it was never going to happen given his history with May.
I actually thought Davis was probably the best person for the job, on the basis that it had to be a Brexiteer and most of them are whackjobs. I disagree with Davis on a lot of things, our relationship with Europe among them, but he does come across as a thoughtful and reasonable person at least. Or at least I thought he did at the time, his latest job has shown him in a new light.
If you want to think about how on earth someone managed to get the job they currently have the person to think about is surely Johnson. Has there ever been a man less cut out for a job requiring high levels of diplomacy?
The depressing thing is no matter how bad things get, no matter what foreign politicians or economists or business-people or whoever says, I see less and less chance of us changing course. It feels like every time there is evidence that we are making a huge mistake the pro-Leave 52% double down on the "its all just project fear" logic and become even more determined to leave. Like someone who is absolutely determined to open a door for no other reason than that the door is locked.
I actually thought Davis was probably the best person for the job, on the basis that it had to be a Brexiteer and most of them are whackjobs. I disagree with Davis on a lot of things, our relationship with Europe among them, but he does come across as a thoughtful and reasonable person at least. Or at least I thought he did at the time, his latest job has shown him in a new light.
If you want to think about how on earth someone managed to get the job they currently have the person to think about is surely Johnson. Has there ever been a man less cut out for a job requiring high levels of diplomacy?
The depressing thing is no matter how bad things get, no matter what foreign politicians or economists or business-people or whoever says, I see less and less chance of us changing course. It feels like every time there is evidence that we are making a huge mistake the pro-Leave 52% double down on the "its all just project fear" logic and become even more determined to leave. Like someone who is absolutely determined to open a door for no other reason than that the door is locked.
Yes i saw that too. Strong and stable.Apparently the comprehensive, excruciatingly detailed impact reports aren't enough to fill 2 ring binders
Call the whole thing off now its beyond a joke.
Why am I not surprised!
He always gave off the air of someone more down to earth and less prone to political bullshitting than most of them. Apparently he's also however extremely arrogant and also very, very lazy according to people who have worked with him.
So yeah, probably the best we could have hoped for out of that bunch.
That sounds about right. I "liked" him, in as much as I like any Tory, when my only real exposure to him was seeing him on things like QT, where he is good at actually answering questions head on, and explaining positions to people who dont hold them themselves in such a way that they sound reasonable.
I cant really comment on his laziness but I have heard about his arrogance. Either way I personally dont think anyone would be able to do the job he has, I think it is at its heart an impossible task, so perhaps he is being clever by not devoting too much time to it. What's the point in spending hours toiling on something that wont work anyway?
Though of course given he actually pushed for Brexit presumably he isnt thinking about it in those terms.
Because you are aware of your deficiencies?
Davies lost my trust the moment he said that the UK could sign separate deals with individual EU countries. Anyone with a shred of knowledge about how the EU worked should have known better.
Don't disagree, but they are selected, not elected directly by the public! (your own words Paul)
Don't disagree, my reference to 'roughshod' was concerning the national leaders not the Commissioners
Agree with the first bit, not the second, because if they were not good at their job the PM would constantly be having to change ministers making more problems for the PM. Hence out of self interest if nothing else the PM will choose Ministers who can command their brief. With the last bit I would acknowledge there is a collective responsibility element in the cabinet which reinforces the position of the PM.
Are they now? In what way are Commissioners answerable, to MEP's beyond clarification of policy/regulation, phrasing/ intent/wording?
Now what sort of childish, petty comments are these, its kiddies playground stuff, stupid, anyone with any intelligence, Josef Goveballs, , how old are you for goodness sake? This is the sort of commentary that doesn't deserve an answer, but I will point out I didn't say with no recourse to anyone, I mentioned other EU official bodies and that MEPS undertake scrutiny of laws and regulations developed by the Commissioners.
*extract from my previous post (they receive information from recognised EU bodies, which may be used to underpin policy, but they do not face any kind of selection process via the public, nor do they have to seek approval from the public at regular elections)
As I understand it they are being made available, but with safeguards to protect vital information on negotiations.
At last the Wolf reveals himself, will you be at the front of the queue to do this kicking Paul?
When you consistently equate selected/appointed officials with elected ones.
Your argument about relative democracy in EU/UK would be taken more seriously if you had compared the EU Commissioners to Senior Civil Servants in the UK, (as @712 does see extract below) you might even have argued that although neither Commissioners nor Senior Civil servants are elected, the Commissioners do tend to be more visible to the public, even if they remain 'untouchable' by the public election systems.
(712 said
I think the difference might be that the British are used to civil servants providing information and ideas behind the scenes, and elected politicians then deciding, presenting and arguing their worth; whereas in the EU the civil servants seem to decide and present policy, albeit with the permission of elected representatives. They are both forms of democracy of course, just that the British is better.)
Unfortunately Paul anything enlightening you might have to say is lost amongst the childish outbursts you make from time to time about brexiteers in general and myself specifically. You are right I am an old man, older I suspect than you and most on this thread, possibly on the whole forum. I try to take things in my stride, joke sometimes, maybe come across patronising at times, calling people son etc. but that goes with the ageing process, been there done that bought the 't' shirt, sort of thing. You however come across as pompous, full of yourself, and you like to gather a gang around you, like you have on here, slapping you on the back and saying well done!
I may be wrong about you, if I am I apologise, however we shall see. Strange as it may sound I enjoy our exchanges, even the 'silly old fool' bits, so please don't run off and hide somewhere, keep the posts coming, long way to go yet on brexit!
That is is a bit weird tbf.Yes I have, seems to upset people, don't think it would if they really knew me, but there you go, afraid it goes along with the "do I come here often" shirt I got from TOG's
I have never said they weren't selected - what I said was Cabinet ministers are also selected.
What I asked you was who did the selection which you still have not answered.
How does a national leader run roughshod, how and where and why , ambiguous statements.
Obviously the current ministers are doing a very poor job particularly with regards to Brexit, what can we do to get someone in who knows what he or she is doing, I think the Uk needs some new faces quickly, wouldn't you agree?
I believe you still haven't understood how the EU works or moreover trying to pretend to your Brexit pals that this is the way it works with random people making up these terrible laws (none of which by the way any Brexiter can name that is detrimental to their life). Now these commissioners are working on behalf of who - come on let's get more specific, the Uk commissioner is Julian King, in case you didn't know, do you know what role he has, who is he answerable to, who proposed him and why is he secretly making all these horrible laws and policies that no-one can prevent, the swine!
The risk assessment by the BoE is taking in what they think is the worst scenario. If the UK leave without a deal ie sheer break Hard Brexit , that would be close to my best case scenario - bit of friendly advice - don't do it.
You seem to be rattled, with your continuous patronising of all the posters it's hilarious that you take a dislike to a little joke which was about Gove not you . I think you are also mixing up the posters? I have not made a reference to being you old other than guessing your age as I am quite advanced in years you can guess mine as well. And I certainly don't need a gang to congratulate me , I couldn't give a monkeys if people agree with me or not , I've been a boss nearly all my working life so being popular hasn't been my first priority. But I'll speak my mind , be fair and won't tell lies.
I'm not likely to run off as there hasn't been a better tragi-comedy for a long time . Hopefully for the sake of the UK there is a happy ending.
Brexiters don't seem to understand that the Remainers are concerned with their future and don't want the UK to be ruined. On the other hand Brexiters main hope seems to be crumbling of the EU and that fascists take over the rest of the world like they have in the UK.
Tell us something we don't know.
People who support Brexit are 'narcissists' who dislike foreigners, claims controversial study
People who support Brexit are 'narcissists' who dislike foreigners, claims controversial study
- Belief immigrants threaten the UK was related to the tendency to vote Brexit
- People who just valued their British identity were not more likely to vote Brexit
- The findings were based on just 161 leave voters and 345 remain voters
- The researchers caution that as the study was conducted after the Brexit referendum, it may be that the 'yes' vote increased people's xenophobia
What's controversial about it?
It disagrees with the DM's editorial line? Probably the sample size and fact they asked more remain voters.
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Bears shit in the woods, according to a controversial new study that has blown the debate on animal defecation habits wide open.
Cheers mate. Id like that.
You should write for The Daily Mash.
Can we believe The Telegraph? They are the only ones reporting it and they say it happened last week.
Smacks of Davis leaking this in hope to divert attention that is the shitstorm of the Brexit assessment reports he's been bollocked for publishing in redacted form.
Cheap from the Telegraph too, treating this as 'breaking news'
Cheap from the Telegraph too, treating this as 'breaking news'
Probably a leak to take the heat off Davis. This Tory government is just a shell game.
Daily Mail again, soooooo many remainers read it, its bewildering
Isn't it the biggest selling newspaper in the country and one of the most oft-visited English language news media sites? It's not really that bewildering its articles are shared widely, is it?
Will Boris and Davies go whistling out of parliament now??
http://voxeu.org/article/300-million-week-output-cost-brexit-vote
Turns out we could have given the NHS £300M a week instead of going with Brexit.
Turns out we could have given the NHS £300M a week instead of going with Brexit.
The Sun is the best-selling paper. Somehow the DM is the world's most read news website.
The website's totally different to the paper though, it's more like soft porn.
It's a great site, I don't think that there is an other one on the internet that can take you that far away from your original goal.
What's bewildering about it?
To me its bewildering yes. Especially in this thread. Dont you see the irony? No one is quoting from it but remainers, remainers that claim brexiters believed its lies.