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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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Surely anyone from Ulster can obtain an Irish Passport whenever they want. The ardent unionists may not like it but they could just use it to avoid border problems.

I'm a unionist here but I'm pretty certain I'll be getting an Irish passport when my current GB one expires shortly. Purely for flexibility (considered getting both but not sure I'll end bother with a GB passport). I'm definitely not the only one - think they were fresh out of application forms when the referendum result first came in. Usually a cheaper passport anyway - plenty of people get it instead when renewal comes up. Might not wave it around in a Rangers bar but I'm not convinced I'm welcome in there anyway.

Additionally, I was on a course in Birmingham this week and some of English and Scottish attendees said their family was looking into their Irish heritage to see if they could wrangle one.

That said, hopefully all of this won't be a big deal in the end.
 
We need quotes :drool:

Your wish is my command. :D

Can you imagine May negotiating the german surrender at the end of the war ,total appeasement . An absolute disgrace .
Neville Chamberlain had his peace in our time letter, Blair had his Good Friday Surrender Agreement, now May has her Brexit Surrender deal.
That's not a breakthrough...that's stitched up capitulation. Resign PM.
Farage is right we are being made into laughing stock as the EU are run roughshod over I weak willed politicians. This isn't what we voted for.
She has sold the UK down the river, and now she must go, a prime minster who put the needs of the EU before her own country, shameful.......
 
Those cnuts are literally cutting off their nose to spite their face.

At little bit, but unlike their usual mental panic and nonsense, the economic border on the sea is a very real fear of the UK distancing themselves from NI to the point were a United Ireland is in actuality if not name.

I think it would have been more profitable short-term, but I can understand their actions on this one, even if the reasoning presented was utter crap.
 
At little bit, but unlike their usual mental panic and nonsense, the economic border on the sea is a very real fear of the UK distancing themselves from NI to the point were a United Ireland is in actuality if not name.

I think it would have been more profitable short-term, but I can understand their actions on this one, even if the reasoning presented was utter crap.

That's it really. You can dislike the DUP (and I personally do) while being understanding why they would never agree to an Irish sea border. As you say, it's a big push towards a United Ireland from then on.
 
I'm a unionist here but I'm pretty certain I'll be getting an Irish passport when my current GB one expires shortly. Purely for flexibility (considered getting both but not sure I'll end bother with a GB passport). I'm definitely not the only one - think they were fresh out of application forms when the referendum result first came in. Usually a cheaper passport anyway - plenty of people get it instead when renewal comes up. Might not wave it around in a Rangers bar but I'm not convinced I'm welcome in there anyway.

Additionally, I was on a course in Birmingham this week and some of English and Scottish attendees said their family was looking into their Irish heritage to see if they could wrangle one.

That said, hopefully all of this won't be a big deal in the end.
I have English friends, with some Irish ancestry, who live and work abroad with wife and family and they've done the same. Brits and Irish can have dual nationality, I think. In my family tree there's an O'Gorman but it goes back over a hundred years and isn't a grandparent. What are my chances ?
 
I have English friends, with some Irish ancestry, who live and work abroad with wife and family and they've done the same. Brits and Irish can have dual nationality, I think. In my family tree there's an O'Gorman but it goes back over a hundred years and isn't a grandparent. What are my chances ?
Not sure about that one. :lol:
 
I'm a unionist here but I'm pretty certain I'll be getting an Irish passport when my current GB one expires shortly. Purely for flexibility (considered getting both but not sure I'll end bother with a GB passport). I'm definitely not the only one - think they were fresh out of application forms when the referendum result first came in. Usually a cheaper passport anyway - plenty of people get it instead when renewal comes up. Might not wave it around in a Rangers bar but I'm not convinced I'm welcome in there anyway.

Additionally, I was on a course in Birmingham this week and some of English and Scottish attendees said their family was looking into their Irish heritage to see if they could wrangle one.

That said, hopefully all of this won't be a big deal in the end.

No need.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...eep-eu-citizenship-irish-border-a8099176.html

I have English friends, with some Irish ancestry, who live and work abroad with wife and family and they've done the same. Brits and Irish can have dual nationality, I think. In my family tree there's an O'Gorman but it goes back over a hundred years and isn't a grandparent. What are my chances ?

No chance. You need at least a grandparent born in Ireland.
 
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Anyone else think the silence of JRMogg etc is rather eerie?

1922 committee plotting perhaps?
 
No worries.

Another thing is that surely English, Scottish and Welsh folks (remainers particularly) will be pissed off about our lot getting that option (even if it's not a new development) when they don't.
I feel like its a slightly different situation for Ireland and Scotland because majorities there voted to remain. Wales has less reason to complain IMO as the majority voted to leave, so there is no sense of it being dragged out of the EU by England.
 
Anyone else think the silence of JRMogg etc is rather eerie?

1922 committee plotting perhaps?

Or maybe he just doesn't have the bottle. It's easy to stand in the sidelines and talk away, another thing to actually do the job. I don't think any politician really has the bottle for a Hard Brexit.

I suspect the main reason why high profile Brexit tories are quiet is because a leadership crisis will probably lead to another election, an election they at best will see a minority government.
 
I feel like its a slightly different situation for Ireland and Scotland because majorities there voted to remain. Wales has less reason to complain IMO as the majority voted to leave, so there is no sense of it being dragged out of the EU by England.

London voted heavily to remain as well and with a high profile Mayor, I can see Khan piping up quite a bit.
 
EU Official said:
We cannot upset relations with other third countries. If we were to give the UK a very lopsided deal then the other partners with whom we have been engaging and entered into balanced agreements would of course come back and question those agreements.

Some of these agreements have specific most favoured nation clauses: if you give better to others you will have to come back and give us the same. So also for this reason we need to maintain this balance of rights and obligations.
 
London voted heavily to remain as well and with a high profile Mayor, I can see Khan piping up quite a bit.
True, and that is definitely an issue, but again I think its a bit different. There is (as far as I know) no movement to get London out of England. London being part of England is not remotely controversial. So it is just a case of one region being outvoted by others within the same country.

But yes, I do expect Khan to make an issue of it, which is his prerogative.
 
True, and that is definitely an issue, but again I think its a bit different. There is (as far as I know) no movement to get London out of England. London being part of England is not remotely controversial. So it is just a case of one region being outvoted by others within the same country.

But yes, I do expect Khan to make an issue of it, which is his prerogative.

He already did, he was tweeting about London staying in the custom union.
 
Popcorn to the ready!

Tuning into LBC for a quick listen, hopefully can gauge a view of folks.
 
True, and that is definitely an issue, but again I think its a bit different. There is (as far as I know) no movement to get London out of England. London being part of England is not remotely controversial. So it is just a case of one region being outvoted by others within the same country.

But yes, I do expect Khan to make an issue of it, which is his prerogative.

Oh yeah London is a completely different ball game to Scotland and Northern Ireland. Just suspect Khan will carry on speaking about and who knows if there is a domino effect.

I would love to be privy to some of the exchanges taking place between these arseholes right now.

One thing I suspect May has going for her is that the cnuts all hate each other. Can't imagine Johnson is very pally with Gove or Patel.
 
Or maybe he just doesn't have the bottle. It's easy to stand in the sidelines and talk away, another thing to actually do the job. I don't think any politician really has the bottle for a Hard Brexit.

I suspect the main reason why high profile Brexit tories are quiet is because a leadership crisis will probably lead to another election, an election they at best will see a minority government.

The '22 are avidly pro Brexit and this "deal" will not be to their liking plus this Tory party are spectacularly incompetent. So don't discount a move against May.

I'd love to see it as i firmly believe a Tory party led by Mogg or Johnson in particular would be absolutely hammered. With a Corbyn govt we could then start a whole new thread on Lexit...

https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...-lets-do-something-different-when-we-leave-it

Wahey :cool:
 
Or maybe he just doesn't have the bottle. It's easy to stand in the sidelines and talk away, another thing to actually do the job. I don't think any politician really has the bottle for a Hard Brexit.

I suspect the main reason why high profile Brexit tories are quiet is because a leadership crisis will probably lead to another election, an election they at best will see a minority government.
fair point
 
In summary, the UK government have wasted all this time for nothing and have little time left to negotiate any kind of deal.
A bit harsh. We've only just discovered NI and RoI, so could have never considered such issues.
 
Another thought, if final deal can’t be agreed, does this mean these ‘agreements’ would be thrown out of the window?
 
Another thought, if final deal can’t be agreed, does this mean these ‘agreements’ would be thrown out of the window?
I understand that is a possibilty. "Nothing's agreed till everything's agreed" as has been said. However, that will be around 15 months down the line, by which time the situation maybe totally different, for good or bad.
 
I'd love to see it as i firmly believe a Tory party led by Mogg or Johnson in particular would be absolutely hammered. With a Corbyn govt we could then start a whole new thread on Lexit...



Wahey :cool:

Johnson yes. With Mogg though I am not so sure. Certainly because of his background he would lose a number of votes. Then again he would capture many. In particular I would respectfully suggest that his view on scrapping the commitment to 0.7% of GDP to overseas aid would win him quite a number from all political colours. Charity begins at home is awfully persuasive.
 
I understand that is a possibilty. "Nothing's agreed till everything's agreed" as has been said. However, that will be around 15 months down the line, by which time the situation maybe totally different, for good or bad.
Got it.

Maybe behind the scenes she’s telling the hard Brexiteers, at least the EU will come to table this way and we know what we might get re deal. If we don’t like then whole different story.

Probably did her ‘NOTHING has changed....nothing has changed!!!’ in a screech.