Doesn’t make sense to me, nothing about this is even about politics.
That’s why it’s important to have open and honest conversations about these issues.
I wouldn’t expect you to know because there is no way for you to know honestly.
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Doesn’t make sense to me, nothing about this is even about politics.
That’s why it’s important to have open and honest conversations about these issues.
I wouldn’t expect you to know because there is no way for you to know honestly.
Didnt you start the thread with "Oh Antoine"?
Huh? How is this a left vs right discussion? I am right when it comes to political views but this is a social topic. It’s a matter of understanding history and putting things into perspective ffs.
Not even going to comment on the idiocy of the guy in question but the other guy is giving off a real ‘creeper’ vibe. Look at the way he’s sexually looking at ‘her’, he’s practically rubbing himself up against ‘her’
Feck this thread.
I have nothing but admiration for some of you who have battled away since Sunday, posting with patience, sense and dignity.
There are others in here who have no business being allowed out in 21st century public. I'd be ashamed to know some of you personally.
I have nothing but admiration for some of you who have battled away since Sunday, posting with patience, sense and dignity.
There are others in here who have no business being allowed out in 21st century public. I'd be ashamed to know some of you personally.
White supremacist groups in the US usually believe in Universal Health Care which is a left position in the US.
I think there's a lack of nuance in many of these debates. Some argue about race or racism with the classical idea of the word in mind, a pure racism in which you believe racial characteristics should give legal rights (or absence of them). An individual feeling of superiority, e.g. equating the worth of an African and a dog or an Eskimo and a seal.
Others argue with another understanding of the word in mind. Racism can be present in a society even if no one in that society would describe themselves as such. Perhaps you can call it institutional racism. This is today's white privilege in many countries. If you're name is Ahmed, you're less likely to get hired over a John with identical qualifications. If two cabbies are waiting for a customer, the likelihood of picking the white guy driving is higher than the black/brown/whatever. The probability of getting pulled over by the police, audited by the IRS, not believed in a word against word situation. An implicit bias that's a bit hard to deny exist. However, these examples are all related to norms rather than laws. By law we're equal, thus there's no institutional classical racism.
It's possible to argue whether this should have a different name than racism, but it won't change the reality . It's also possible to argue (a lot) about why this is the case. Is the proper explanation group thinking, xenophobia, inherent flock genetics, some other cultural bias, the press or whatever. I'm sure a lot of social scientists has written extensively on this topic if you're interested.
One common counter-argument is that all these implicit biases exists to some extent for everyone. A Harvad grad is more likely to hire a fellow alumni rather than an evil from Yale, or god forbid a British educated moron. However, some groups (perhaps African Americans in particular) suffer from this bias in a lot more situations than others. I don't think it requires a lot of empathy to understand how one might feel if you go through life being discriminated against at every turn, whether it being through law or norms.
A lot more can be said, but the notion that no one are able to explain the idea of modern white privilege is wrong.
To be honest I’m not thinking of the history of it at all. more just on Griezmann photo the other day, perhaps I have mixed up which thread I’m in.
Either way it’s still the resident lefties getting wound up, which often entertains me. Sadly those doing the winding up often go a little insane as threads go deeper
I'm a resident leftie and I'm not getting wound up. Can't speak for anyone else tho.... Regardless, when we're talking about race why would you be happy to see someone attempt to wind us up?
Some of you treat all this like it's a sport. 'stick it to them liberals'
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Because they aren't on the wind up. They're actually insane.
Imagine encouraging their posts because it "winds up the lefties". Jesus wept.
“the resident lefties getting wound up still entertains me”
On a topic about racism. Sickening.
Some really let this left v right idea override a sense of objectivity and empathy.
Who cares accountability and morality when there’s an opportunity to kick a few liberals, eh?
Hope your entertainment was worth it.
On a topic about racism. Sickening.
Some really let this left v right idea override a sense of objectivity and empathy.
Who cares accountability and morality when there’s an opportunity to kick a few liberals, eh?
Hope your entertainment was worth it.
Enlightening stuff.
@Randall Flagg careful there, liberals are known for eating their prey.
You are right and I apologise
I had totally the wrong idea about the thread thinking it was still really about griezmann and I read a couple of sporadic posts totally failing to pick up to tone of the conversation
Likewise, see post above. Apologies for any offense caused. Completely irresponsible to post when I hadn’t read the thread
No probs Flanders
Stupid, sexy Flanders.
Institutional bias isn't as obvious as a skinhead screaming racist abuse or the Heil's overt racism but it is just as harmful. Maybe even more so.
It would seem that you don't realise that bias can occur due to a multitude of factors simultaneously e.g. ethnicity, skin colour, age, sex, sexual orientation/identification and not least socio-economic background. And these all need to be looked at on average and not merely by anecdote e.g. my mate is black and drives a BMW - the stats universally show these things to be real.
Nobody is saying white people can't suffer from discrimination for, say, the socio-economic group they were born in to but black people have a similar barrier simply based on their skin color. If they are then poor that is a double strike.
Institutionalised privileges of all sorts are very subtle. And cumulative. This cartoon illustrates the subtle way that privileged works.
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https://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2017/08/daily-chart-1
http://www.demos.org/publication/asset-value-whiteness-understanding-racial-wealth-gap
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...freed-after-3-decades-on-louisianas-death-row
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/10/theres-never-a-way-to-make-it-right
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...te-person-study-finds/?utm_term=.a5e9b936c68e
https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2015/04/03/race-criminal-background-and-employment/
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-case-for-reparations/361631/
http://www.demos.org/publication/asset-value-whiteness-understanding-racial-wealth-gap
You must have a bunch of dumats in Detroit I'd imagine, given the city's decline over the years.
I love Robocop tbf.Everyone just loves to shit on Detroit
Chill out with the insults.
Because it is very very hard to accept that many or most right wing positions are essentially based on bias, a lack of empathy and perpetrating privileged for "people like us". People tend to get weird when confronted with the reality of their views at these times.
Oh shit, he thinks I got the job because I was black? Wow
How else? You are going to suggest a woman can get a job on merit next. Fecking commie.
Our latest contestant is a perfect example of a person who's learned everything he knows about politics and related subjects on 4chan and/or one of the seedier subreddits and by watching Ben Shapiro. Hence all the "lol hurr durr dumb libs" and the tenuous grasp of the topic at hand.
Don't forget the snowflaky whining about being victimised while accusing the actual victims of discrimination for being snowflakes.
Fml.
This "liberal, leftie" insult shit is getting tired. Why is wanting fairness and equality for everyone a problem? Surely those who complain about that are the real ones with a serious problem?
I kept out of this because it was more interesting to read but the last few pages have just gone Batshit.
The recent opioid epidemic being classed as a mental health issue because it mainly effects white people and the focus on rehab for addicts and to help them, compared to the crack epidemic that was a criminal issue and the focus on jailing addicts because it mainly effected blacks is the perfect example of double standards and white privilege in the modern day and age, and just one of many.
I'd also like to applaud @afrocentricity for his "getting his mates a job" comment. That could be POTY right there. Fml
This "liberal, leftie" insult shit is getting tired. Why is wanting fairness and equality for everyone a problem? Surely those who complain about that are the real ones with a serious problem?
I kept out of this because it was more interesting to read but the last few pages have just gone Batshit.
The recent opioid epidemic being classed as a mental health issue because it mainly effects white people and the focus on rehab for addicts and to help them, compared to the crack epidemic that was a criminal issue and the focus on jailing addicts because it mainly effected blacks is the perfect example of double standards and white privilege in the modern day and age, and just one of many.
I'd also like to applaud @afrocentricity for his "getting his mates a job" comment. That could be POTY right there. Fml
https://9gag.com/gag/a88Z0De?ref=android
On my phone so can't properly embed. But here we see a white person imitate a black person successfully, without the use of blackface. Shocking.
On my phone so can't properly embed. But here we see a white person imitate a black person successfully, without the use of blackface. Shocking.
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There's a few zingers in here tbhI'd also like to applaud @afrocentricity for his "getting his mates a job" comment. That could be POTY right there. Fml
This is what Blackface is all about. Blacking up as a form of ridicule. The fact that he was aiming his ridicule at one person doesn't lessen the racism of his actions.
I learnt a lot about blackfacing. And definitely I will not do that as I understand till at which level can offend someone though if I would ever think to do it without knowing, I would never do it for racist purposes.
And then, just to stir more the shitpot
What do you think about this movie?
The whole movie is making fun and portraying white blonde women as stupid portrayed by black guys whiting up as a form of riciule
And then, just to stir more the shitpot
What do you think about this movie?
The whole movie is making fun and portraying white blonde women as stupid portrayed by black guys whiting up as a form of riciule
We'll there is Clueless, Legally Blond and others. If you want to take offence at the black guys wearing white face then talk about that but if it's about:
It's not the only movie is it?
I knew a girl who wasn't comfortable being blond partially because of that type of stereotype. It might sound ridiculous but it can be an issue.
That's fair, just making a point that there are many movies that do that so we should lump it in with them. It's a baseless stereotype anyway... Do people still look at blondes and expect them to be this way?
Superficial airheads come in all shapes, sizes and colours...
The dumb blond stereotype certainly has merit.
But are we talking about on an individual level - where blonde people feel as though they are more likely to be ridiculed for their perceived lack of intellect? (I’d agree with that, certainly seen it happen plenty of times.)
Or an institutional or systemic level where blondes are denied jobs, because employers think they are dumber than their brunette counter parts?
I don’t believe that to be the case.
But are we talking about on an individual level - where blonde people feel as though they are more likely to be ridiculed for their perceived lack of intellect? (I’d agree with that, certainly seen it happen plenty of times.)
Or an institutional or systemic level where blondes are denied jobs, because employers think they are dumber than their brunette counter parts?
I don’t believe that to be the case.
I just said that is to stir more the shit pot. I know that is completely false equivalence. Just bored on my last half day at work and feel like bad trolling
Though there is a bit of truth
In that case I'll leave you to it...