It became a racial slur for black people. It was offensive slang when I was growing up.
"Blackface" Discussion
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It became a racial slur for black people. It was offensive slang when I was growing up.
Wog is still a slang term even now. Not as much, but you do hear it occasionally.
The debate involving Griezmann only lasted a day or so. The thread is just about “blackface” in general.
Everyone understands not to wear Nazi uniforms to fancy dress, or slant their eyes to resemble an Asian because they are offensive. But can't get why they can't black up? Nah
Griezmann's case reminds me of when one of my white friends, who I know for sure is not a racist, thought it was ok to dress as Afroman complete with blackface to a fancy dress, then post the result on Facebook. I blame this on ignorance stemming from the lack of education on the racist connotations blackface carries.
Griezmann's case reminds me of when one of my white friends, who I know for sure is not a racist, thought it was ok to dress as Afroman complete with blackface to a fancy dress, then post the result on Facebook. I blame this on ignorance stemming from the lack of education on the racist connotations blackface carries.
According to the Daily Stormer Mail, some internet famous (I think?) model and her moronic friends decides to do some of the worst looking blackface I've ever seen, "to praise their favorite sports stars". Moron friend gets belligerent when told that it's racist. How are people this thick? Are people going to claim that Australians don't know what racism is, or that blackface is an unknown concept down under?
Shockingly enough, the comments criticising the girls are being downvoted, while the ones saying this is fine are being upvoted. I'm shocked, Mail readers, I really expected better from you. lol no I didn't
Shockingly enough, the comments criticising the girls are being downvoted, while the ones saying this is fine are being upvoted. I'm shocked, Mail readers, I really expected better from you. lol no I didn't
Aussies can be idiotic with this stuff. Some bloke turned up to a fancy dress event as a blackface Stevie Wonder at our local pub recently. The stunned silence suggested that the vast majority knew how unacceptable it was (he scrubbed it off mostly and took the frizzy haired wig off after the third time he got blanked trying to sing a Stevie Wonder song while bumping in to things). The problem is the 5 or 10% who don't want to get it and think their overt racism is "just a laugh" or simply an opinion that they are entitled to.
This is absolutely idiotic. In an effort to be contrarian and combative you've completely not read what was typed properly.
THought people learned to ignore this guy when he was spouting this same nonsense in the Lukaku chant thread about white victimhood and Africans enslaving Africans.
Thank god for white text re your faith in DM readers.I think this one can be safely put down to lack of brain cells as much as anything.
I'm glad you have TBH. Not everyone gets enlightened. This counts for people of all races too. Though it's a different type of enlightenment black people need but that's an intra-community discussion.
I think this is quite racist. How dare it take the piss out of humans.
the newest h&m ad, for obvious reasons already taken down. Other slogans were something along the lines like "survival expert", all being portrayed by white kids. I understood this was the only black model used and I have to say, it would be delusional to not think of racism here. If there was a white boy next to him wearing the same pullover, we would still be arguing, but it almost feels intentional in this case.
Some may be surprised by this...I actually don't see too much of a problem with this. Think it's been blown massively out of proportion personally.
I think some people have found an issue because it's a black kid being called a monkey, and obviously there's history of racism there.
However, the slogan is implying that all kids are monkeys, and the one wearing the hoodie happens to be the coolest.
Don't get me wrong, it's at the very least incredibly stupid on H&M's part, particularly when no other kids are wearing the same hoodie - however I don't think it's racist, whether intentionally or by accident.
Anyone who's ever been clothes shopping for kids knows that most of the attire refers to them as all sorts of animals and monsters all the time.
Even if the thing isn't racist itself, they must've known how that would look. Daft by H&M.
I think this is quite racist. How dare it take the piss out of scousers.
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Would it be out of the question to have a Scousers thread? Or can we only take the piss out of them in the RAWK one?
Right the top wasn't manufactured as a racist top by H&M but it probably was an intentional racist joke by the person who dressed him. If it wasn't maybe it was unconcious racism not thinking the black kid was the 'cool'/'chilled' one, which gets banded round a lot too.
Or maybe someone was getting sacked and they thought they'd pay the company back.
Does the outrage imply that you can’t buy this top for a black kid? Would it be insensitive to buy this for my black Godson?
Right this is more of an individual error, rather than any underlying message of racism from the company itself, at least that's how I view it.
I personally think it should be caflaw that each post is signed off with a scouser joke.
It's obviously not my place to be offended here, i get that. Given the vile history of this, it's obvious why some are offended by it though.
I don't link the 2. I have been brought up in a multicultural society, went to a school which had kids of every race, colour, religion.. Same with Uni etc. I know there's a heavy history of why it would cause offence (of course), but i'd like to think that in most cases (i know, not all), that kids now would never grow up with the link in their head - unless they are told that's what the link is. Is it my place to speak to my 3 year old and tell them why this is so bad, explain the history and why it causes offence to so many? If so, where does that line stop, and we continue to breathe life into racist undertones? What if this was just an honest mistake by a employee who doesn't know of the history or undertones?
I find the whole thing very confusing. I used to be a Teacher/Coach - i've seen the harm that divisive people and actions can do. Not just race or religion but with all walks of life - if people are physically handicapped, have learning difficulties etc. I explain to my kids in as much detail as I can if they ask questions about people in wheelchairs, people with guide dogs etc as it's good for them. But how much do I go into detail when it comes to areas which could be considered racist?
This thread highlighted that some people were genuinely confused about blackface, as they'd never even thought it could be offensive. The last thing I want to do, or have my kids do is appear malicious, or in the least maliciously ignorant.
I'm a white guy, I have it as easy as they come. But I would like any advice/guidance on this. Always willing to learn.
I don't link the 2. I have been brought up in a multicultural society, went to a school which had kids of every race, colour, religion.. Same with Uni etc. I know there's a heavy history of why it would cause offence (of course), but i'd like to think that in most cases (i know, not all), that kids now would never grow up with the link in their head - unless they are told that's what the link is. Is it my place to speak to my 3 year old and tell them why this is so bad, explain the history and why it causes offence to so many? If so, where does that line stop, and we continue to breathe life into racist undertones? What if this was just an honest mistake by a employee who doesn't know of the history or undertones?
I find the whole thing very confusing. I used to be a Teacher/Coach - i've seen the harm that divisive people and actions can do. Not just race or religion but with all walks of life - if people are physically handicapped, have learning difficulties etc. I explain to my kids in as much detail as I can if they ask questions about people in wheelchairs, people with guide dogs etc as it's good for them. But how much do I go into detail when it comes to areas which could be considered racist?
This thread highlighted that some people were genuinely confused about blackface, as they'd never even thought it could be offensive. The last thing I want to do, or have my kids do is appear malicious, or in the least maliciously ignorant.
I'm a white guy, I have it as easy as they come. But I would like any advice/guidance on this. Always willing to learn.
Personally, I think H&M knew what they were doing here.
No real harm done to their brand 'oh we're sorry. Silly mistake!'
Meanwhile they're getting publicity money couldn't pay for.
I'd love to know how many of those hoodies they've sold today.
No real harm done to their brand 'oh we're sorry. Silly mistake!'
Meanwhile they're getting publicity money couldn't pay for.
I'd love to know how many of those hoodies they've sold today.
Doubling down on the dumb.
Nothing wrong with the actual print. Grow a spine H&M.
Nothing wrong with the actual print. Grow a spine H&M.
I think it was the fact that the only black kid used as a model was wearing a t-shirt with the a monkey on it made it seem worse. Hopefully it was just stupid/unthinking.
It's nothing to do with blackface.
We know that.
Don't make us go there.
Honestly, the best way is to ask questions that you genuinely want to find answers to, and pass what you have learned on.
Stay open minded, and always be considerate on how your perspective will be different based on your privilege as a white guy.
You don't need to bombard your kids especially early on, as long as they know not to treat people differently then they'll have the right foundations in place for tolerance - kids are much smarter than we give them credit for.
If your intentions are in the right place then it will come naturally, there's plenty of books which talk about this also.
Personally, I'd recommend 'Why I'm no longer talking to white people about race'
Judging it aside, what imbecile is working at H&M thinking, no sure, this won't cause any uproar at all.
Multiple imbeciles. Its part of a marketer's job to think about this stuff.
What does it say?
You should read it and find out.
I quite enjoyed that book despite it off putting clickbaity title.
I think the title was needed, given the topics it discusses in the book, and who its really addressed to - the title was perfect.
I suppose that's true, but it was also aimed at creating a bit of outrage among said white people to garner attention. Though to stand out some form of attention seeking is needed I suppose. As I said though, it was a good read and a very valid point.
Thanks for the reply. I hope you can understand why this is potentially a tricky area for me, and most other parents who want to raise nice, welcoming kids. Do we install what racism is if it's not already in their mind?
Questions are fine though, i'm happy with that - but I do worry about being branded ignorant, when in my opinion, this is really tricky area.
We are all ignorant, there isn't a single being that knows and understands everything without being informed or taught. If you ask, you are curious which is a quality.
I think ignorance has too bad a connotation.
There is nothing wrong with being ignorant as long as you are not willing to stay ignorant, that's the difference.
Kids are ignorant, you as a parent are navigating their perspective with every interaction you have with them, this is just part of a wider societal perspective.