Taking the awful hoofball we play aside and concentrate on the facts. Over 2 years we have won 2 trophies with a chance of another this season. We should finish top 4 unless a disaster occurs. The club will probably give him another £150-£200 million to spend. Im 60/40 in keeping him for a third season and see if he can make that step up. I would like him to get rid of all the players that are no use to us, like Pep did in one foul swoop. Next season though if we are where we are now or worse, no chance of the big 2 trophies, then I would want a swap. In his 12 minute rant in the press he said he isnt for changing, these words could possibly hang him next season anyway.
Can anyone who thinks we should have an overhaul or sack Mourinho post here please and explain why?
- Thread starter afrocentricity
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
To be fair he's never spent close to 200 mil.
That said, he'll have no excuses next season, as I said earlier, aside from the best keeper in the World and possibly one existing player, he'll have an entire first 11 of his "own" purpose built side.
For me it is about our style of play at the moment. It doesnt sit right with me that we seem to have become a cowardly team and I find myself bored watching us at times. When he gets it right it really works well for example the Liverpool match but then we go 2 steps back against Sevilla. Saying all that I still like Jose and happy to give him next season and see where we are then. We are definetly heading in the right direction and if we can stop being reactive so often especially versus the smaller teams then I think those fans calling for change would be more satisfied. People want to be entertained.
Depends what period you're talking about, 98/99 team the widemen very much got back and defended, we'd counter with pace with 5 or 6 attackers but not really the fullbacks. Go forward to 2008 and yeah it's as you described but at the cost of the two midfielders deeper rather than Scholes/Keane joining the attack.
Right now we're probably the worst of both aspects in that our deep midfield doesn't attack and our full backs only go up as far to deliver an early cross. We attack with 4 players basically except when Pogba is in the two but that's a no go.
06-07-08 was some of the best most enjoyable football imo, so good 
Some of the football in the years prior was quite fecking bad. In 04-05 when we were going thru the 'sack Fergie sell Giggs' transition nobody had any idea what was to come.
Imagine if we actually did overhaul and feck off the manager? Luckily we didn't, and we bought Carrick. The rest is history..... Perspective.
Some of the football in the years prior was quite fecking bad. In 04-05 when we were going thru the 'sack Fergie sell Giggs' transition nobody had any idea what was to come.
Imagine if we actually did overhaul and feck off the manager? Luckily we didn't, and we bought Carrick. The rest is history..... Perspective.
Last edited:
I agree with you, at the moment we pay higher wages to attract the top players because of our situation. Players know the history of course, but are coming to win trophies of their own. If a player from say Spain had a choice of playing for City or Utd and the money offered was the same and had no affinity to either club, he would go to City, as they have a far greater chance of winning the league or Ch league than we do at this time and probably next year as well.Zlatan and Alexis didn't have the choice of joining a Real/Barca/Bayern. De Gea did and almost moved. Pogba is unique in that he shares a history with us.
I'm not sure what we're arguing about at this point. You mentioned we pay higher wages than anyone else and that's precisely what I'm saying is our forte over the 3 other clubs at the moment because we're equals in history/stature and they are ahead when it comes to chances of winning trophies.
I am a simple man.
I just don't like his manager personality.
I'd like my manager to show some happiness sometimes. I mean.. he stated he was happy with a lot of things after the Sevilla game. Is it then not possible to show some joy when things actually do go right or at least hasnt gone wrong already?
If results or style of play would be fantastic, it's something to overlook, but now it's just adding up.
Honrstly I didn't want him in the first place, so that colora my opinion
I just don't like his manager personality.
I'd like my manager to show some happiness sometimes. I mean.. he stated he was happy with a lot of things after the Sevilla game. Is it then not possible to show some joy when things actually do go right or at least hasnt gone wrong already?
If results or style of play would be fantastic, it's something to overlook, but now it's just adding up.
Honrstly I didn't want him in the first place, so that colora my opinion
If I was to be cheeky I’d say maybe Jose himself?
£50m new contract signed. Would you rather work a few months or a few years for it? Especially when you’d have no problem securing another mega contract elsewhere.
His actions have been so bizarre of late they at least lend weight to the theory.
£50m new contract signed. Would you rather work a few months or a few years for it? Especially when you’d have no problem securing another mega contract elsewhere.
His actions have been so bizarre of late they at least lend weight to the theory.
Jet fuel can't melt steel ffs!
You need a big overhaul
Start by selling Pogba to real madrid
Then you can do what you want honestly
(You need a CM or two, a CB and the FBs. Sign good ones and you'll be good)
How about you sign Hazard and Courtois instead
Mou makes it more difficult for me to like United. United’s been my 2nd favourite club since Cantona’s karate kick, but with Mou, meh, I just really dislike him and his narcissitic, whiny, arrogant face.
He gets results, but as a price you lose class and entertainment. Now take away the results and what’s left. I, like pretty much everone else on here, disliked him before he came to United and I dislike him still.
Please don’t ignore me, I say nice things too sometimes..
He gets results, but as a price you lose class and entertainment. Now take away the results and what’s left. I, like pretty much everone else on here, disliked him before he came to United and I dislike him still.
Please don’t ignore me, I say nice things too sometimes..
Last edited:
"Class", it's always such a funny word to use when describing football managers at the very top of the game. Very very few of them truly have "class" and hell, I've no idea why you'd want them to.
Not even his biggest fans believes that will happen, his ego won’t allow it. He too should stop looking and living in the past. Yes he has won a lot where ever he went but that was then. He too also always used to win the league in the second year where ever he went. He and his fans must realize the past is the past and must now look live in the present and to the future. Can anyone really say we have got the same Mourinho manager Chelsea had the first time round, or the Mourinho Inter or RM had, not even close. Seems to have no more fight or ambition left in him, all we get to see is a bitter, beaten man who lashes out at anyone who questions his methods or what he is doing. Like his new toy Sanchez, both are past their prime and will only go downhill from here.
As much as this hurts to say I would rather see that spanish waiter down at Newcastle as our manager than the negative Jose we have today.
I am of the opinion it doesn’t matter who we buy or he brings in next year, this is as good as it’s going to get, we can only go downhill from here. The players don’t believe in him or his tactics anymore(their body language and sad faces speak volumes) and after the Sevilla game a lot of the fans neither.
Tuchel has done nothing to justify being the United manager though.Well we hired a sacked manager from a rival
I get the same feeling mate.
Tuchel has done nothing in the game. He's won the German equivalent of FA Cup and that's it. Some of the names our fans are suggesting are purely out of thin air.
We had two very good players we were just waiting to mature who coincided with that period. Can’t speak for the sack Fergie stuff as I’ve never seen someone ever mention that but then I wasn’t on here so maybe it did happen.06-07-08 was some of the best most enjoyable football imo, so good
Some of the football in the years prior was quite fecking bad. In 04-05 when we were going thru the 'sack Fergie sell Giggs' transition nobody had any idea what was to come.
Imagine if we actually did overhaul and feck off the manager? Luckily we didn't, and we bought Carrick. The rest is history..... Perspective.
That period you mention, any observant viewer could see what we were waiting upon and what looked like it was going to emerge. The difference now is that there doesn’t seem to be a plan or a structure for future success. Everything apeers reactionary which echoes with our football.
06-07-08 was some of the best most enjoyable football imo, so good
Some of the football in the years prior was quite fecking bad. In 04-05 when we were going thru the 'sack Fergie sell Giggs' transition nobody had any idea what was to come.
Imagine if we actually did overhaul and feck off the manager? Luckily we didn't, and we bought Carrick. The rest is history..... Perspective.
Going even further back I remember my father wanting Ferguson gone at the beginning of his United career. I was young then but my memory is that we lost alot and finished at the bottom half of the table a few times. I'm not saying that Mourinho will guarantee us winning the PL or the CL but we should give him time imo. He has improved us and he has already won us two titles however insignificant some people think they are. I understand the frustration with our style of football but considering how bad our last couple of years were after Mourinho we can't expect miracles. Mourinho wasn't and isn't my first choice as a manager but now he's here and we have to give him time as long as he meets the boards expectations.
Like you said. You weren't here, and yes, it did happen. Hence the sack fergie meme and the oh noes image in the post you quoted. Ask any of the older members.
In light of that why would you posit that 'any observant viewer could see what we were waiting upon and what looked like it was going to emerge'? They wanted the manager gone, and they thought Ronaldo was a show pony. It wasn't until the purple patch in 06 that the feeling of impending doom started to subside.
Some of y'all need to stop being so one eyed....
Agreed 100%
Would they class as observant viewers tho? Watching it it was very apparent that something was coming, it just needed to mature, hence why a lot of fans showed patience over that period of time.
Now in the present, unfortunately there doesn’t seem to be the same promise of things to come. The one good thing I would say is Jose has this thing where he oftenbuys great players and gets them to dumb down so when someone new comes in we will have a collection of really good players like Jose referenced in his press conference.
On the one eyed thing to be honest that can be thrown straight back at yourself and so many pro Jose. Had many conversations where it’s felt like I’m debating with a religious zealot. It’s great people are passionate about something but at a certain point I’ve got to start looking for my tin hat and hoping I can avoid the brain washing.
You are just making my point for me. I'm not pro Mourinho anymore than I was pro LVG or Moyes. In reality I'm just pro United. There are a bunch of us that are sitting in the middle being even handed and open minded. You'll ignore our criticisms of Mourinho as that doesn't suit your agenda, and you'll take any questioning of your somewhat flimsy arguments as a poster being a Mourinho Stan, or 'zealot' as you put it. It's a sight to behold, that last sentence of yours is a gem.
I'm going to pop you back on ignore for now but its nothing personally, I'll be unignoring everyone once it calms down in here. Hopefully sooner rather than later...
Football hasn’t evolved. Real Madrid manage to win the Champions League without high press football.
Conte won the league with a defensive approach.
Our problem is one of the best managers in the world has come to England with unlimited funds. It was always going to be difficult to match them.
Jose has improved the squad, we are trying to buy a different calibre of player compared to LVG and Moyes. Our league position is better. We have won two trophies (granted not the ones we want).
This club has required a massive rebuild. Other than De Gea we had no world class players when Jose came in.
There is no other manager right now that can come in and be better than Jose imo.
Your suggestion of Luis Enrique. A manager who’s only success is at a club with Lionel Messi, Neymar and Suarez up front. Any manager in the world couldn’t mess that up.
As for Ancelotti, did you not see his time at Bayern?
The problem here is that you think you’re sitting in the middle, I just had a quick glance of the first few pages of your recent post history and it’s quite evident you’re nothing of the sort.
Why also would I ignore your criticisms of Jose? He has good and bad qualities, the bad for me far out way his good qualities. He’s managed to get us 2nd playing in a manner I would expect a Sunday league team to play against Real Madrid. He’s somehow managed to grind his way there with the poorest execution of a very simple tactic I think I’ve ever seen all of this is quite remarkable. Which is a credit to the man.
What is quite annoying when you try to have a discussion with people is them then throwing out agenda, or going in a sulk like you’ve just done, i’d Love nothing more than to hear your proper point of view on what you think he is doing well, what you think he is doing poorly with, what could be approved or what does he need or are you happy with the way his tactics are executed.
Because it’s hard to judge what are his tactics and what are our players just not doing as they’re told. Personally I think he’d massively improve the fortunes of his team with a few basic tweaks. Unfortunately it would go against his base principles so I know it will never happen.
But oh wait, you proved yourself to be just as bad as the Zealots by hiding behind your ignore button because you don’t like what was being said.
Also maybe don’t insulting people with your one eyed remarks if you want to have a proper conversation as many are capable of seeing both points of view unfortunately there are so many who stick to there one point and that’s it.
Last edited:
He has a very funny way of making progress. Every time we build some momentum, he has us reverting back to his 'park bus' type the moment any time a marginally decent opposition comes up.
This year, we were playing great football until that Liverpool match. Instead of using that in our favour, he reverted to just defending and keeping Salah quiet. We lost all confidence and went on a very poor run. It was outrageous. It is not like we were being outplayed. We just did not even bother to attack and create anything. Just a few matches before, we were flying, scoring for fun. Suddenly we became a hoof ball team.
Again, he did great work for the Liverpool and Chelsea victories and then reverted back to type against Sevilla. All the momentum and confidence we gained is lost because of the humiliation caused by getting knocked out by relatively mediocre opponents. Is is not like we tried and failed? We did not even try to create anything meaningful and when they scored we went into panic mode. We scored only 1 goal against Sevilla and it just because we did not even try.
I really can't think of any reason why he keeps doing this (again, remember it was Sevilla, not Bayern or Real). Honestly, many times we end up looking like those bottom teams who suddenly realize that they are a few goals up against decent opposition and have no other thought in mind other than flooding the defense and try to see the match out. I hate to see that fear and over cautiousness.
Last edited:
You might well be right, but they do exist, even at the top. Guys like Henckes or Ancelotti. They have an air of granduer that Jose, in my regard lacks.
This is one of his key strengths ofcourse. He’s the bad guy, everyone’s the enemy, it’s him and his team against the world. It’s worked tremendously for him and I respect him for it, but for all his greatness I still think he’s a tool
Maybe I haven't been attentive but I'm getting the impression that a majority of our fanbase seem forced, for whatever reason to be either pro or anti and there seems to be very little middleground. If you want Martial to play, you have discredit Rashford. If you like Pogba you have to dislike Mourinho, you wanted Morata so Lukaku has to be shit at everything and ofcourse the other way around aswell. For me this is very interesting because it's a club we're supporting and not individuals right?
Last edited:
To be fair, even Lord Mourinho will struggle to topple Bayern in Germany. He won the next available cup: DFB Pokal. You can't really judge managers in Germany because of the relative strength of Bayern.
Yeap, that's pretty much it. I couldn't give two fecks anymore about going out, it's THE WAY Utd went out that is making me on the verge of joining the Mourinho outs.
Over two legs, Utd only attempted to play football when they were losing. They tried to nick a goal against a side that has shipped 42 La Liga goals this season.
Honestly, if Utd lost 1-0 in the away game. The home tie would of been completely different, I think Utd would've of smashed the feckers.
This tie was down to Mourinho setting Utd up to play Coward football.
This will not change in the summer, next season regardless of transfers it'll happen once more. Could get Varane, Kroos, Marcelo, Messi in the transfer window and they'd still park the bus at home when City come to town.
To beat Chelsea, then play very well in the first half vs Liverpool to then play like cowards vs Sevilla. No excuse.
I won't sack jose now. But end of season? Yes of course.
It's time to move on. He is not a Man Utd style of manager. I've never been more depressed at our home games. The football is largely drab.
Conte would be a solid choice come the summer. He has not had any backing by the board and that's what has cost Chelsea.
Pochettino is also a really good option. Young manage who plays great football.
If we win the fa cup it's just papering over the cracks.
I would stick with him. Getting knocked out was bad, we played awful. I cannot remember a time we felt so flat in such a big game. I am starting to wonder a little bit though that he might not be able to get us to where we expect to be.
One thing I don't like about us is playing two thirty plus winger as full/wing backs. That seriously needs to be looked at and sorted in the summer. He gave Shaw a run and then just seemed to drop him (unless he has been injured again).
The center midfield is an issue as well. Do we really think Jose brought Pogba to play in a midfield two or is he still looking for another one or two center mids to play beside him to "free him up". I find it strange that he would buy Pogba but then not play him in his best position.
The issues for me are the full/wing backs, our center midfield and playing the right players in the right positions.
Unless it all goes massively wrong in the last few weeks of the season then I would give him the summer and next season. He has brought well so far and if he was to go at the end of next season I would feel a lot more confident with this group of players than the ones LVG left.
Can totally see why some people are getting sick of him though, the Jose I loved (love might be a strong word) was the Jose who would act like a nob and call people out but seemed "cool" if that is the right word whilst doing it. He seems miserable these days.
I also think a huge part of his legacy depends on this job and what happens overall. Win and he will be remembered (rightly so) as on the greats.
Get sacked/have meltdown and lose to Pep and City and I have feeling that a his legacy may become somewhat tainted by it, cos lets be fair if he leaves United a loser it ain't going to be pretty.
One thing I don't like about us is playing two thirty plus winger as full/wing backs. That seriously needs to be looked at and sorted in the summer. He gave Shaw a run and then just seemed to drop him (unless he has been injured again).
The center midfield is an issue as well. Do we really think Jose brought Pogba to play in a midfield two or is he still looking for another one or two center mids to play beside him to "free him up". I find it strange that he would buy Pogba but then not play him in his best position.
The issues for me are the full/wing backs, our center midfield and playing the right players in the right positions.
Unless it all goes massively wrong in the last few weeks of the season then I would give him the summer and next season. He has brought well so far and if he was to go at the end of next season I would feel a lot more confident with this group of players than the ones LVG left.
Can totally see why some people are getting sick of him though, the Jose I loved (love might be a strong word) was the Jose who would act like a nob and call people out but seemed "cool" if that is the right word whilst doing it. He seems miserable these days.
I also think a huge part of his legacy depends on this job and what happens overall. Win and he will be remembered (rightly so) as on the greats.
Get sacked/have meltdown and lose to Pep and City and I have feeling that a his legacy may become somewhat tainted by it, cos lets be fair if he leaves United a loser it ain't going to be pretty.
06-07-08 was some of the best most enjoyable football imo, so good
Some of the football in the years prior was quite fecking bad. In 04-05 when we were going thru the 'sack Fergie sell Giggs' transition nobody had any idea what was to come.
Imagine if we actually did overhaul and feck off the manager? Luckily we didn't, and we bought Carrick. The rest is history..... Perspective.
This is a case of false equivalence though. The same logic could have been applied to LVG as well and yet no one wanted him to stay on a second longer. Sir Alex also had a lot of credit left over from previous seasons. Mourinho has zero credit with the United and joined us on the back of a terrible few months with Chelsea.
I would also point out that there plenty of indications in the first half of 2006 to give fans plenty of optimism heading into the new season. With Jose, it seems to be other way around. The confidence in him seems to be eroding with every game. That's not to say I want Jose sacked but I don't see this as a very good comparison.
Stuck in a limbo.
Huh? Zero credit for getting back into the CL, winning us 2 trophies and bringing in some good players? He has credit from me.... Speak for yourself.
And the confidence in SAF was eroding which is why posters were calling for his head.
You can find the threads on here yourself.
Here knock yourself out...
The comparison is apt but the larger point of that post is just to ask peeps to calm down and be a bit more patient/optimistic. Do you disagree?
Last edited:
Yes and become Liverpool? No thanks.
I just think the whole "free up pogba" story is a myth. Just play him in a 3, one with passing range behind and a technical but hardworking player beside (Regardless what the cafe thinks, Herrera is that player). Carrick-Pogba-Herrera saved our season last year when fellaini was gonna ruin it. Just let Pogba be Pogba, the boy can play.
Any comparison with any part of the Fergie era is pointless.06-07-08 was some of the best most enjoyable football imo, so good
Some of the football in the years prior was quite fecking bad. In 04-05 when we were going thru the 'sack Fergie sell Giggs' transition nobody had any idea what was to come.
Imagine if we actually did overhaul and feck off the manager? Luckily we didn't, and we bought Carrick. The rest is history..... Perspective.
Care to explain why? Especially in the context of the point I was trying to make.
Fergie had built 2 great attacking teams at the club. It was only a matter of time before he assembled a third.
Does Mourinho give me that confidence? Does he feck.
Please don't compare the 2 situations.
I'd rather be that than this at the moment. Not that far behind us in the league and playing great football