Can anyone who thinks we should have an overhaul or sack Mourinho post here please and explain why?

Stringer said:
He’s been in charge for nearly two seasons...
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Right? And in his first he won 2 pieces of silverware and got us back into Europes biggest stage? And in his second season he has us in a much improved league position behind only to a team having the best season in their entire short history and into another semi final with a good chance of winning another trophy. There is no denying our fortunes have improved since he came on board. I think it would be the biggest mistake this club has ever made getting rid of Mourinho, and our board isnt stupid either. He is going nowhere. Like every other red in the world I demand better football but I am more than happy to put my faith into Jose to bring us that sooner rather than later. There isn't a better man for the job out there in my opinion
 
Jamie Shawcross said:
Right? And in his first he won 2 pieces of silverware and got us back into Europes biggest stage? And in his second season he has us in a much improved league position behind only to a team having the best season in their entire short history and into another semi final with a good chance of winning another trophy. There is no denying our fortunes have improved since he came on board. I think it would be the biggest mistake this club has ever made getting rid of Mourinho, and our board isnt stupid either. He is going nowhere. Like every other red in the world I demand better football but I am more than happy to put my faith into Jose to bring us that sooner rather than later. There isn't a better man for the job out there in my opinion
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He just about won the EL against some shocking teams and that was after he gave up on qualifying via a top four position due to the poor league form. The performances were abject in most of those games and to have lost to any of those teams would have been embarrassing for a club of United’s stature. The Carling Cup, or whatever the feck it is called these days, is a second tier cup and I simply don’t give him too much credit for that one.

He has improved the club which is a given based on how much he has spent and I agree he is going nowhere (sadly). He won’t win the league next year nor will we play in a more entertaining manner. He is simply incapable of coaching a team to play that style. Our style of football hasn’t improved one bit since he joined.
 
Jamie Shawcross said:
Right? And in his first he won 2 pieces of silverware and got us back into Europes biggest stage? And in his second season he has us in a much improved league position behind only to a team having the best season in their entire short history and into another semi final with a good chance of winning another trophy. There is no denying our fortunes have improved since he came on board. I think it would be the biggest mistake this club has ever made getting rid of Mourinho, and our board isnt stupid either. He is going nowhere. Like every other red in the world I demand better football but I am more than happy to put my faith into Jose to bring us that sooner rather than later. There isn't a better man for the job out there in my opinion
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I don't want Mourinho to go but he needs to finish the season strongly with possible FA cup and next season he needs to genuinely challenge for the league and perform better in Champions league . Our overall play needs to improve and we desperately require to forge an identity even if it's a defensive one but atleast do it properly .

As for the improvement aspect we have certainly improved because of some good additions in the team and also because we underperformed last season so our progress looks slightly better due to our league position last season. According to you Mourinho is the best man for the job but there are others who believe we might be better going in different direction with more progressive manager. I don't think board is fully sold on Mourinho either his single year extension points towards that.
 
In EL we were the clear favourites and won it. In CL we were knocked out by Sevilla. For two seasons in a row we are out of league race before new year. Liverpool progress in Europe further than us. Paul Pogba, the worlds most expensive player at the time, bought by Mourinho himself is far from being one of the best midfielders in the league let alone the world. Sanchez is meh, Martial who was forced to move his position turned shite, Lindelof did not improve our defense. We have improved the quality of our squad which is quite natural given the amount of money we have spent, however, we have not got any closer to EPL or CL trophies. If the task is to stay in top 4, Mou can certainly provide that, if the job is to win the main trophies, then I am ready to bet we are not winning them next season either.
 
Sack Jose and sign Who/Whom? which manager is suddenly going to start next season and play scintillating football? He will need time to rebuild his team and that will take two seasons and if certain results dont go well, then these fans who wanted this new manager will be on his tail to get him the sack. It's going to be a never-ending cycle

I am not a fan of negative and drab football, but we have progressed purely in terms of league position. As it stands this is our best league position in 4 years. And in these troubling times, we have managed to win silverware which is a bonus as well.

We all knew Jose was not going to be a long-term solution, we dont know if there will be a long-term solution in one manager at all. Jose has brought us back on the map to compete in the league that's a start. As someone mentioned earlier if City were not having a superhuman season our progress would have been explicitly visible.

Also, the amount of pressure Jose is being put under is enormous. There is not a single day where the media is not on our case. When we are winning -we are not playing good football. When we play good football and win - We are not playing brilliant football and constant city comparisons. When we lose then its fireworks all around. I dont think any other manager can deal with such levels and manage to function properly.
 
Half the squad is garbage and has been for years - why can't people accept this? Let's have a look at the players we currently have that Mourinho inherited:

De Gea
Romero

Jones
Rojo (Played his best for us under Jose)
Smalling
Blind
Young (the fullback)
Shaw
Valencia (the fullback)
Darmian

Carrick
Fellaini
Herrera
Mata
Lingard

Martial
Rashford

Apart from the ones in a bold (Romero/Rojo due to differing circumstances) how many of these players have had just one good season since they've been here? Not a purple patch of 3 games every 2 months. Some have been with 3 different managers in that time. The truth of the matter is, half the squad has never performed here.

Let's look at the players Jose has got rid of in his time here as well:

Schweinsteiger
Schneiderlin
Depay
Valdes
Januzaj
Rooney
Mkhitaryan* (Jose signing)

It was plain for all to see Rooney was on the decline for at least 3 years before - so that one was inevitable, but the rest did nothing. Bang average players collecting big money. None of them are doing any good elsewhere (there's an argument for Januzaj).

Looking at who he has signed:

Lindelof
Bailly
Pogba
Sanchez
Lukaku
Ibrahimovic
Matic

Ones in bold have undoubtedly been good. Lindelof and Sanchez are both new - only Pogba remains as being completely underwhelming. But his signings have generally been good.

Does the football suck? Yes. Setting the team up not to lose has been a staple of Mourinho teams.
People are seriously deluding themselves though if they think Guardiola, Klopp, Carvahal (and whoever else is flavour of the month right now) could take half these players and do anything more than Jose is doing right now. Some the fans here just reek entitlement. Most of the players listed don't get into any top side in Europe, yet they're expecting to be challenging City? And when we don't it's a simple equation of getting rid of one manager for another; like we've done twice now - to very little success (our most success has come from this current manager). The cycle will just repeat itself, no matter who the manager is. Player recruitment has been shambolic for a long time now; unfortunately, now we are reaping what we sowed with bad planning, no clear direction and buying who ever was "hot" and available at the time. Wasted money, wasted potential, big wages. Farcical really. Whoever we get in (as a manager if/when Jose leaves) is going to have to still get rid of the deadwood, with no guarantee we will eventually break this cycle of buying average players on big money who look good at one team, but don't perform here. We need to build an actual good squad and then find a manager that can get them to play the good football we all want to see. It hasn't worked the other way round.
 
JonDahl said:
Half the squad is garbage and has been for years - why can't people accept this? Let's have a look at the players we currently have that Mourinho inherited:

De Gea
Romero

Jones
Rojo (Played his best for us under Jose)
Smalling
Blind
Young (the fullback)
Shaw
Valencia (the fullback)
Darmian

Carrick
Fellaini
Herrera
Mata
Lingard

Martial
Rashford

Apart from the ones in a bold (Romero/Rojo due to differing circumstances) how many of these players have had just one good season since they've been here? Not a purple patch of 3 games every 2 months. Some have been with 3 different managers in that time. The truth of the matter is, half the squad has never performed here.

Let's look at the players Jose has got rid of in his time here as well:

Schweinsteiger
Schneiderlin
Depay
Valdes
Januzaj
Rooney
Mkhitaryan* (Jose signing)

It was plain for all to see Rooney was on the decline for at least 3 years before - so that one was inevitable, but the rest did nothing. Bang average players collecting big money. None of them are doing any good elsewhere (there's an argument for Januzaj).

Looking at who he has signed:

Lindelof
Bailly
Pogba
Sanchez
Lukaku
Ibrahimovic
Matic

Ones in bold have undoubtedly been good. Lindelof and Sanchez are both new - only Pogba remains as being completely underwhelming. But his signings have generally been good.

Does the football suck? Yes. Setting the team up not to lose has been a staple of Mourinho teams.
People are seriously deluding themselves though if they think Guardiola, Klopp, Carvahal (and whoever else is flavour of the month right now) could take half these players and do anything more than Jose is doing right now. Some the fans here just reek entitlement. Most of the players listed don't get into any top side in Europe, yet they're expecting to be challenging City? And when we don't it's a simple equation of getting rid of one manager for another; like we've done twice now - to very little success (our most success has come from this current manager). The cycle will just repeat itself, no matter who the manager is. Player recruitment has been shambolic for a long time now; unfortunately, now we are reaping what we sowed with bad planning, no clear direction and buying who ever was "hot" and available at the time. Wasted money, wasted potential, big wages. Farcical really. Whoever we get in (as a manager if/when Jose leaves) is going to have to still get rid of the deadwood, with no guarantee we will eventually break this cycle of buying average players on big money who look good at one team, but don't perform here. We need to build an actual good squad and then find a manager that can get them to play the good football we all want to see. It hasn't worked the other way round.
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You're describing Sanchez's transfer perfectly here.
 
Prev: 5th, 4th, 7th or some shit

Current: 2nd.

All I need
 
Jamie Shawcross said:
I think anyone who wants Mourinho out this summer is out of their god damn minds. Football fans have become so fragile and reactionary
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I agree with you. I marvel at anyone who claims we are making zero progress with a straight face. Especially when unlike when LVG was here the trophy room, on pitch results, league table position and individual player and overall team statistics prove it.

I find it even funnier that I find myself on here constantly defending a man I didn't believe was the right hire to advance our project after 2 seasons of LVG:lol:
 
I can’t see the board backing a Mourinho clearout this summer. It’s total nonsense to start again when we should be building. He’s had two windows in which to buy 3/4 players per window. The same will apply this summer. He will be given a budget big enough to buy replacements for Valencia, Smalling, Carrick and Fellaini. Probably another 150m but no more. If he cries about this there will be a fallout and he will leave one way or another.
In response to the OP I think given Mourinhos recent comments we will not go for an overhaul and as a result he will throw in the towel and end up leaving.
 
Mou's teams peak after 2 seasons and have a meltdown later on. No point in keeping him long term.
 
haram said:
Yeah the draws at home from last season have just magically turned into wins this season.
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I assume from your response that you believe the performances where we won were all well planned and executed to perfection. I bet you were probably on the edge of your couch all excited, where many of us were just going for f*cks sake and hoping rather than expecting. You obviously think we weren't schooled at home in the league by Brighton, Spurs, Liverpool and Chelsea to name just a few.

Just about everyone on here has said the results have been better, current position is better but there is a significant amount of people saying the performances have been largely dross. Not for a few games for a very long period. If you don't believe that, that is your right. There are others who don't agree and probably do not believe in magic either.
 
SalfordRed1960 said:
I assume from your response that you believe the performances where we won were all well planned and executed to perfection. I bet you were probably on the edge of your couch all excited, where many of us were just going for f*cks sake and hoping rather than expecting. You obviously think we weren't schooled at home in the league by Brighton, Spurs, Liverpool and Chelsea to name just a few.

Just about everyone on here has said the results have been better, current position is better but there is a significant amount of people saying the performances have been largely dross. Not for a few games for a very long period. If you don't believe that, that is your right. There are others who don't agree and probably do not believe in magic either.
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Yeah we were definitely schooled by Liverpool, Chelsea, Brighton and Spurs at OT :wenger:
 
Yes we do need about 4 more players, but Mourinho needs to get us playing half decent football, and not the hoofing up to Fellaini and Lukaku stuff. He needs to have a go at the top sides instead of parking the bus, or we will never win the Premiership under him.

If he spends big this summer and gets the players he wants, he should be judged on this next season. But our football needs to improve to more free flowing instead of being too defensive minded..
 
I want Mourinho for another season but not at the expense of Martial/Pogba etc.
 
Football is junk, I hate watching us, I've been to literally 2 games in the last 2 years and started skipping games on tv. 3rd year Mourinho season incoming and he's already started building animosity with his players.
 
donkeyfish said:
They’ve been in a “better situation” than us since 2013, that's what's funny.
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Whatever happened to the banner at old Trafford about city not winning for a long time?

Where are city now? They are in a position where when we play them, we are scared to have the ball and defend in banks of four.

Just because Liverpool haven't won anything doesn't mean they aren't going on the right direction.

Smacks of hypocrisy where United sit back and defend and are underwhelming, but are better than Liverpool only because Liverpool are five points behind united, but you don't even account that they are in the champion's league, scoring more goals, playing better and have a better platform to go and have better seasons.
 
Witchking said:
Whatever happened to the banner at old Trafford about city not winning for a long time?

Where are city now? They are in a position where when we play them, we are scared to have the ball and defend in banks of four.

Just because Liverpool haven't won anything doesn't mean they aren't going on the right direction.

Smacks of hypocrisy where United sit back and defend and are underwhelming, but are better than Liverpool only because Liverpool are five points behind united, but you don't even account that they are in the champion's league, scoring more goals, playing better and have a better platform to go and have better seasons.
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Fair, I bet next year will be their year!
 
I wasn't in Mou Out camp pre-Sevilla game. I was indifferent to whether he stays or goes because we are where we should be based on the squad we have. He isn't underachieving and he sure as hell isn't overachieving if you look at our side. But the Sevilla game pretty much changed it for me, and the thing is, he still isn't getting why fans are mad. I don't mind losing games, even to a worse opposition, but it was the approach that was opted that pissed me off and the responses he has been giving are as of fans are agitated because of the result. When you are the bigger side, the onus is on you to attack. You can't sit back hoping for opposition to make a mistake, not when you aren't even pressing them hard. We got lucky last season against Celta, and that should have been a wake up call, but we persisted with a pretty shit approach

Now let's list down the positives that people quote
1. Higher quality players- Sure, we are getting high quality players, but nearly every player is half the player they were at previous club and more importantly, when we are having these high quality players, why do we fear every half decent side that we face!
2. Improved defence- Possibly the biggest myth on Caf . 11.8 shots face/90mins - for sake of comparison that is worse than City (6.3!), Pool (7.5), Spurs (8.5), Chelsea (10.2) and even Arsenal (10.7)! Hell even Watford and Huddersfield have conceded lesser shots.
https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/2...amStatistics/England-Premier-League-2017-2018

For sake of comparison it was 9.5 for us last season(5th best), 10.8 the season in 15-16 (3rd best),10.1 in 14-15 (Best).
Hell, it was just slightly worse than this season in Moyes' season - 11.9 (6th best)
https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/2...amStatistics/England-Premier-League-2016-2017
https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/2...amStatistics/England-Premier-League-2015-2016
https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/2...amStatistics/England-Premier-League-2014-2015
https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/2...amStatistics/England-Premier-League-2013-2014

De Gea's brilliance should not be equated with improved defence!

3. More goals/ Improved attack- Chances created - 10.0 per game. 6th in the league. worst among the big 6, last season it was 11.76 (5th in the league), 10.29 in LVG's 1st season (6th) and 10.24(9th) in Moyes season ! Leave aside LVG's second season (mind, season after which he was sacked!), this is our worst in post-Fergie era in terms of chances created

http://www.squawka.com/football-tea...0#any#any#season#1#all-matches#total#desc#avg

Now let's go to the excuses given to defend him :

1. Style of play : See point 3 above
2. Players not up to required standard
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XX--Bailly--Lindelof--XX
-----Matic----Pogba----
Mkhi------------Sanchez
-------Ibra----Rom-----

Leave aside full backs and GK, Mou has signed 8 players. He didn't need to sign a GK thanks to DDG. Leave aside Full backs, we have a side that was signed by Mou himself. In all honesty, could you say that once we sign full backs, we'd be a force again?
If signings haven't worked out as expected, who is to blame? Surely Mou is the one calling the shots on who to sign, or atleast is consulted before signing a player.

I won't go into the man management part as that would be based surely on Newspaper reports and the authenticity of the reports is arguable, but based on these points, it's tough defend him!

Mind, If he assures the fans, board and most importantly players, that he is ready to mend his ways and not deploy cowardly tactics against every decent competitive team and won't go berserk at players (like he has started indicating), I'm fine with him staying, but that's a very big IF
 
I'm not completely happy with him and the way we play, but I think he's earned another season here. For me it boils down to one question:

Are we in a better place this season than we were last season?

It's clearly a yes on that front. If this time next season we've gone backwards, the answer might be different (as with what happened with LvG). But there's obvious progression, do I don't really see the argument for sacking him at the minute.
 
Sevilla game at home was the final straw for me. Our approach was just inexcusable, and the tactics employed abysmal. From the get go it was the game of "hoof and hope for the best", the tactic that we resort to in every game. The lack of cohesion, direction, and overall effort is what worries me the most. We are right now in Mourinho's "glorious" second season, in which everything falls into place (for him and for the team). However, with us it is the opposite, we essentially buried our chances for PL in december, and we embarrassed ourselves in the CL. The 2nd place that people hail here as a sign of some incredible progress is deceptive, because given the way we play, the results have flattered us immensely.

Over the course of two seasons that Mourinho had, I'd say that we haven't made that much progress. On paper yes, the progress is visible, but let's not lie with statistics. In terms of style, it is pretty much the same slow, boring stuff that we played under LVG (the difference being the quality of the players on the pitch; and thus the overall points tally). Almost every team in the PL runs more than we do; we have no clue what pressing is, and no trained patterns of play. Giving Mourinho another transfer window won't change any of the aforementioned problems, because there is no direction in our game. What is the point of buying technically superb players (Pogba, Sanchez) if all you want them to do is hoof it forwards? To me it seems that Mourinho wants them just so he can maximize the probability of individual brilliance.
 
anant said:
2. Players not up to required standard
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XX--Bailly--Lindelof--XX
-----Matic----Pogba----
Mkhi------------Sanchez
-------Ibra----Rom-----

Leave aside full backs and GK, Mou has signed 8 players. He didn't need to sign a GK thanks to DDG. Leave aside Full backs, we have a side that was signed by Mou himself. In all honesty, could you say that once we sign full backs, we'd be a force again?
If signings haven't worked out as expected, who is to blame? Surely Mou is the one calling the shots on who to sign, or atleast is consulted before signing a player.

I won't go into the man management part as that would be based surely on Newspaper reports and the authenticity of the reports is arguable, but based on these points, it's tough defend him!

Mind, If he assures the fans, board and most importantly players, that he is ready to mend his ways and not deploy cowardly tactics against every decent competitive team and won't go berserk at players (like he has started indicating), I'm fine with him staying, but that's a very big IF
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Miki was lauded when signed and his limitations are clear as day with him not being able for the premier league. He has since been shipped out in 18 months and replace by Sanchez, something which United as a club haven't been doing for years so IMO this is a positive. Sanchez still has to improve.
Zlatan was never a long term signing, 2 years max, and horrific injury probably forced us to go out and buy his replacement 1 year earlier than I think we wanted to.

So based on that it leaves us with the following

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XX--Bailly--Lindelof--XX
-----Matic----Pogba----
XX------XX----Sanchez
--------Rom-----

So that leaves us space for 4 players for Jose to have bought his full 11 and they are obviously the most depressingly obvious places we need to improve because the quality IMO has gone up based on the players Jose has signed.

We have 2 aging converted full backs with average quality.

The endless debate as to who we play on the right, as we are overloaded on the left with MArtial/Lukaku and Rashford

And then do we buy another 10 or buy a midfielder that will compliment Pogbas deficiencies.

I think Jose will buy all 4 of these spots in summer and absolutely has to go close in the league at a bare minimum for me next season if he does get who he wants.

And looking at who he has shipped out

Schweinsteiger
Schneiderlin
Depay
Valdes
Januzaj
Rooney
Miki (*** straight away *** )

as well as more than likely

Shaw
Blind
Darmian
Fellaini (contract)

Our squad will be much less bloated. At a minimum we need to give Jose another season.
 
The issue is so much deeper than the manager. The fact that even he is having difficulties speaks volumes of the state of the club. I think if it gets to the point where even a top coach like him would be considered a failure by the end of his time here then the club needs a shakeup from top to bottom.
 
automaticflare said:
Miki was lauded when signed and his limitations are clear as day with him not being able for the premier league. He has since been shipped out in 18 months and replace by Sanchez, something which United as a club haven't been doing for years so IMO this is a positive. Sanchez still has to improve.
Zlatan was never a long term signing, 2 years max, and horrific injury probably forced us to go out and buy his replacement 1 year earlier than I think we wanted to.

So based on that it leaves us with the following

----------DDG-------------
XX--Bailly--Lindelof--XX
-----Matic----Pogba----
XX------XX----Sanchez
--------Rom-----

So that leaves us space for 4 players for Jose to have bought his full 11 and they are obviously the most depressingly obvious places we need to improve because the quality IMO has gone up based on the players Jose has signed.

We have 2 aging converted full backs with average quality.

The endless debate as to who we play on the right, as we are overloaded on the left with MArtial/Lukaku and Rashford

And then do we buy another 10 or buy a midfielder that will compliment Pogbas deficiencies.

I think Jose will buy all 4 of these spots in summer and absolutely has to go close in the league at a bare minimum for me next season if he does get who he wants.

And looking at who he has shipped out

Schweinsteiger
Schneiderlin
Depay
Valdes
Januzaj
Rooney
Miki (*** straight away *** )

as well as more than likely

Shaw
Blind
Darmian
Fellaini (contract)

Our squad will be much less bloated. At a minimum we need to give Jose another season.
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I never get this argument, "we shipped him out so all is well". Mourinho signed him, if due diligence wasn't done or done done well, blame lies on him. Whether we sold him or not is a different matter altogether.
Let's say you go to fruit market and buy oranges, just enough to make 1litre juice from it. One of the oranges turns out to be bad. So, the next day you go back to the fruit seller and say that I want a different orange instead of this bad one. The fruit seller may agree to a deal for a different orange which will turn bad in a day and you're the last customer so let it be. So the juice that should have been prepared a day earlier is now being prepared a day late.
The transition that should have completed by end of year 2 is taking another year!
And Zlatan's case is more curious. When you are in transition, common sense dictates that you sign a youngster, so that when rest of the team matures, you aren't looking in the market to replace that ageing player. Sure, he had a good 1st season but you look at long term when you are in transition not season by season!
 
I think we should look at changing the manager because currently we have a toxic work environment. This is not the Jose Mourinho of the past, he has changed since before he went to Madrid. He's gone from defending his players to attacking them and falling out with them. It happened at Madrid, Chelsea and its happening here too.

We are nowhere near getting the most out of our current players. We are not fun to watch. We are not organized and well drilled. Our team setup is a mess.

I dont believe its beyond someone else to do a better job with what we have.

Having said that, if he can help us finish 2nd this season I would understand us not changing manager. Thats what we should be achieving and if he can pull it off, in spite of all his faults then I can understand the club not taking action. Its just not what I would do personally.
 
People make excuses that squad was shit and what all but biggeat problem seems to be that he doesnt seem to get the best out. Of hia best signings either in Pogba and Sanchez. Both are struggling while Lukaku also isnt performing at elite levels regularly that you expect of a top top striker.
 
You can’t sack him he has improved the team, if we comfortably finish in top four that is huge improvement.

On the other hand how much further can he take the team, he is t going to improve players individually or team as a whole through coaching and probably won’t be here for another 2-3 years.

I only see improvement coming by him spending huge sums on proven players in their late twenties. Without instant improvement he is likely to implode and club is back to square one again.
 
It's got to the point where he's publicly insulting players on a regular basis, it's a very cheap move and it will have no doubt lost him a lot of trust in the dressing room, and from the fans as well, as it did at Chelsea. He doesn't install belief into the players that need it, he takes it away and thats shocking man management. It just feels very negative at the moment and Mourinho's the culprit, from his tactics to the press conferences, he needs to go at the end of the season. He's the anti-Ferguson, absolutely zero warmth about him.
 
IMO, all this talk of long term future and footballing identity at this point of time is out of tune with what we really need. I believe we need to win a major trophy (CL/PL) next year to arrest the decline and convince the outside world as well as the club insiders that we are still a major force in world football.
Given that, the only question to be answered is which manager gives us the most realistic chance of winning a major trophy next year. The answer to that for me is the manager we currently have. Outside of Jose and Pep, there aren’t any proven winners available (Maybe Simeone?). Upcoming managers such as Poch, Sarri are a gamble and have a lower chance than Jose to make an immediate impact. We should give Jose a chance to win the PL/CL next year. If he wins, he will most likely leave for PSG/Italy and we can build from a winning position. If he loses, our rebuild starts a year later but with a stronger squad in all likelihood.
 
RedMilo said:
Not sure I agree with that, Fergie broke the british transfer record a few times. £2.3m for Pallister rings a bell prior to first FA Cup win, Keane was later on at £3.75m - this might not sound a lot now but it was groundbreaking fees in those days.. Van Nistelrooy at £19m & Veron at £28m were pre Glazer days also, Utd always backed Fergie and Fergie (barring the horse dispute, you could argue) always put Utd first.
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I didn't say we had no money, back then we were in a good position financially and yes Fergie was backed as you say, but we certainly didn't have the wealth of Chelseas current owner, or Citys or some of the other Johnny Come Latelys who but a football club, not because they love the game but to make more money, which is why the Glazers bought United of course. Also TV money was a lot less back then than it is now.
 
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