How do Chelsea fans feel about losing KdB, Salah and Lukaku?

Grande said:
Pique. Ince. McGrath. Anyone else?
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Trizy said:
Stam, Beckham, RVN, Ronaldo.
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Ah, the old defend Jose by pointing out Sir Alex's 'mistakes' trick. Never get tired of that one.

Also it's a truly senseless point to make. You've just listed down players that had successful and memorable United careers winning loads of trophies along the way. Sir Alex just felt their time at United was eventually up. And in some of those cases, we moved on to better things or the players' attitudes were a problem.

In Mourinho's case he let go of players who didnt achieve anything at Chelsea and are peforming brilliantly elsewhere. He could have developed them as you often have to do with brilliant young talents.
 
endless_wheelies said:
Aye but I guess I have to take into account what your head is capable of.....

Morrison/Pogba = acknowledged as potential talents of a generation; Macheda = random kid that scored one good goal
Pogba = we didn't give him the contract he wanted (he came to the negotiation table with us for a long time) = our active role in his departure; you can say "oh well he was asking too much", but had we known that he was to cost us £89m to buy back in a couple of years' time would the £30k per week or whatever and additional opportunities not have been worth it? Bare in mind we had 37 year old Scholes starting for us at the time and Pogba went straight into Juventus' starting 11. We actively let him go.

There's your quote:
https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/sport/ferguson-pogba-lacked-respect-26872182.html
"I'm quite happy that if they carry on that way, they're probably better doing it away from us."


Ultimately neither ourselves nor Chelsea are culpable, for every Pogba/Salah there is a Morrison.
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From comparing Pogba's departure to Ravel Morrison to stretching Fergie's quotes about how Pogba handled his transfer to somehow representing us as actively flogging him off to Juve, you're reaching heavily.

Let's just agree to disagree on the whole situation and avoid where this is going ie multi-page debate thread hijack
 
If I was Chelsea fan I would be wondering how they went from De Bruyne, Salah, Lukaku, Mata, Cuardado, Flippe Luis, etc being surplus to requirements to the likes of Barkley and Drinkwater being first team signings.
 
Not this tired old story again?
Those players are where they are now, because of the path their careers went on. They were never breaking into the Chelsea team at that time ahead of the first 11.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Ah, the old defend Jose by pointing out Sir Alex's 'mistakes' trick. Never get tired of that one.

Also it's a truly senseless point to make. You've just listed down players that had successful and memorable United careers winning loads of trophies along the way. Sir Alex just felt their time at United was eventually up. And in some of those cases, we moved on to better things or the players' attitudes were a problem.

In Mourinho's case he let go of players who didnt achieve anything at Chelsea and are peforming brilliantly elsewhere. He could have developed them as you often have to do with brilliant young talents.
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As for Pique...?

Eto'o/Aubameyang/Henry/Chiellini/Hummels/Raul/Pirlo/Boateng were also let go in their late teens/early 20s if you want some non-SAF examples.

Greck said:
From comparing Pogba's departure to Ravel Morrison to stretching Fergie's quotes about how Pogba handled his transfer to somehow representing us as actively flogging him off to Juve, you're reaching heavily.

Let's just agree to disagree on the whole situation and avoid where this is going ie multi-page debate thread hijack
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You disagree we could've have kept Pogba if we'd pushed the boat out, and that Morrison could have gone on to become a star had he got his head right after leaving us for West Ham age 19? Don't see what "stretch" is required to see that it's hard to precisely predict a player's career trajectory after they leave you.
 
OldSchoolManc said:
Not this tired old story again?
Those players are where they are now, because of the path their careers went on. They were never breaking into the Chelsea team at that time ahead of the first 11.
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Edit spelling: Add Matic to that as well. It is rather crazy.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Ah, the old defend Jose by pointing out Sir Alex's 'mistakes' trick. Never get tired of that one.

Also it's a truly senseless point to make. You've just listed down players that had successful and memorable United careers winning loads of trophies along the way. Sir Alex just felt their time at United was eventually up. And in some of those cases, we moved on to better things or the players' attitudes were a problem.

In Mourinho's case he let go of players who didnt achieve anything at Chelsea and are peforming brilliantly elsewhere. He could have developed them as you often have to do with brilliant young talents.
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The point of bringing Fergie into it is proof that even the very best get it wrong from time to time and Fergie unquestionably did with the Stam and Pogba in particular, maybe Beckham as well
 
YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
Does it sting everytime you see them on the scoreboard or assisting?

Is there anger towards Mourinho and/or the board?

That trio with Hazard would be one of the best attacks in the game, if not the best.
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Football is business these day, whether you like it or not. Chelsea have made some profit by selling them. Roman wanted Chelsea to be financially independent and selling players is major part of that strategy.

People seem to lay the blame on Mourinho, but thats far from the truth. Mourinho would probably submit his views on each player to the board and the board would make the final decision on whether to sell or not.
 
KirkDuyt said:
I’d miss De Bruyne if I were them. Im not convinced Salah is more than a 1 season wonder and as for Lukaku, i’d be too busy wondering why we let Costa leave.
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I agree 100%.

Also, Salah was not sold but loaned out.

People who want to trash Mourinho will always bent the facts to make a case.
 
charlenefan said:
The point of bringing Fergie into it is proof that even the very best get it wrong from time to time and Fergie unquestionably did with the Stam and Pogba in particular, maybe Beckham as well
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Every manager does, even the examples above don't take into account those who may have gone onto to be decent if they hadn't been sold.

If anything it shows how bad our youth was as most went on to do little.
 
Putting Lukaku on a list with KdB and Salah is probably just wrong. He is a normal player with normal output, KdB is absolutely world class ans Salah the same (in terms of goals this season).

Players don’t deliver the same in different setups, it’s not certain Salah would have scored as many for Chelsea - and Hazard is always going to be the focal. See Mane, he is very much out of the limelight due to Salah.

As for Lukaku, do a poll and I assume very few Chelsea-fans are missing him much. To compete at the top, you need better players than Lukaku.
 
If they'd been kept they'd still be average bench warmers. Young players have to play with responsibility. Giving them a few appearances with "they're young, they're still learning" expectations causes stagnation.
 
James Peril said:
As for Lukaku, do a poll and I assume very few Chelsea-fans are missing him much. To compete at the top, you need better players than Lukaku.
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Yeah because Chelsea are gonna get any better than Lukaku.
 
Lukaku only became one of the most prolific footballers in English football and moved for 75m at 24 years old.
Meanwhile Morata is a flop so its his price tag plus the next strikers fee thats needed to replace Costa. Thats even assuming their next forward signing is a success.
Im sure Chelsea fans are jumping for joy over that.
 
KirkDuyt said:
They had Diego Costa to be fair to them. Letting him go was bonkers.
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Yeah but they aren’t exactly going to get him
back though are they. I’m sure Chelsea fans wish they had Lukaku right now.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Ah, the old defend Jose by pointing out Sir Alex's 'mistakes' trick. Never get tired of that one.

Also it's a truly senseless point to make. You've just listed down players that had successful and memorable United careers winning loads of trophies along the way. Sir Alex just felt their time at United was eventually up. And in some of those cases, we moved on to better things or the players' attitudes were a problem.

In Mourinho's case he let go of players who didnt achieve anything at Chelsea and are peforming brilliantly elsewhere. He could have developed them as you often have to do with brilliant young talents.
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This. Don’t bring Sir Alex into everything as there’s no point of that and it doesn’t bring anything to the table. Also, Jose let the players go at chelsea and hasn’t done it at United has he (in fact, we’ve benefited with Rom)?

So why are we criticising him for this of all things? Give the man a break, he’s a top class manager in charge of a major rebuild.
 
In fairness Salah was pretty terrible when he was at Chelsea, although he had limited chances,
remember KDB played v us in one of moyes 1st home games and hearing the Chelsea fans on talksport saying how rubbish he was and should be moved on so it was not just the board that got it wrong.
Lukkau is for me not an elite club level striker, poor 1st touch and poor passing, has improved this season so far but still a bit short for me.

none of them would have reached there current level for me at Chelsea, at the time Chelsea got some pretty good fee's for the players in question. so was win/win for all involved, players have progressed a lot more and the club made good money
 
Agreed KDB is the one that really hurts as he's such a unique player, and a really special player we let go with no one remotely similar in the squad at that time and also now.

Whereas Lukaku at the time we had costa and he wasn't willing to fight and obviously was no where near that standard so was a logical decision to let him go, same with Salah we had better players on the wing at the time and he wouldn't have necessarily developed to the level he's at now if he wasn't playing 40/50 games a year.

So I think most the one that kills us Chelsea fans is KDB, regardless of the fact we've won 2 of the last 3 titles without him.
 
David Platt
Danny Drinkwater
Keane (no not Roy)

Newsflash.. it happens to all clubs. Stupid thread of the week award
 
Don _ Conte said:
Agreed KDB is the one that really hurts as he's such a unique player, and a really special player we let go with no one remotely similar in the squad at that time and also now.

Whereas Lukaku at the time we had costa and he wasn't willing to fight and obviously was no where near that standard so was a logical decision to let him go, same with Salah we had better players on the wing at the time and he wouldn't have necessarily developed to the level he's at now if he wasn't playing 40/50 games a year.

So I think most the one that kills us Chelsea fans is KDB, regardless of the fact we've won 2 of the last 3 titles without him.
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Fair enough. Do you think Salah was given a proper chance though? Was there any signs that maybe this guy had the potential to be great?

golden_blunder said:
David Platt
Danny Drinkwater
Keane (no not Roy)

Newsflash.. it happens to all clubs. Stupid thread of the week award
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This is about 3 players who are all in or just hitting their prime at the same time, who was cut off after limited playing time. Three players that could be part of their attack for the next 5+ years.

Danny Drinkwater isn't exactly at that level that you will miss him too much. Can't talk about the other 2 as i have barely seen them play. I'll happily receive the award though.
 
haram said:
Yeah but they aren’t exactly going to get him
back though are they. I’m sure Chelsea fans wish they had Lukaku right now.
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They're also not going to get Lukaku, so I really don't see the point of this thread. Lukaku was shit at Chelsea, he became better, yet he's still hardly a world class striker, so since they also had Costa who is a world class striker it would sting me more that he left.
 
Obviously not a Chelsea fan, but I thought Salah looked poor at Chelsea, along the same lines as Schurrle with more pace. Schurrle was a better player at Chelsea overall IMO and he wasn't particularly good either. Salah was poor at Fiorentina on loan too. It wasn't until Roma bought him permanently that he shone, and even in that one season he was good, it was a little inconsistent.

This season is the first time he's scored 20+ goals in all competitions. It could be a purple patch, it could be that he is just a perfect fit for Klopp and the players around him, or he could be a late bloomer and it's all clicked in to place for him. Whatever it is, it's easy to criticise in hindsight, but gambling on player potential is exactly that, a gamble. You tend to lose a lot more than you win.
 
Chelsea only bought Salah at the time to prevent Liverpool from signing him.
 
Trizy said:
Lukaku although doing very well has yet to prove himself.
Salah, again, has to prove he can do it next season.
KDB though, I remember being in awe watching him play for Chelsea and couldn't get my head around 1. why they sold him and 2. why no one went for him other than Wolfsburg.
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He was on loan at Werder Bremen first, so Bundesliga clubs had a clue how good he was at the time. BVB was heavily linked with him too as a replacement for Mario Götze, but apparently Mourinho didn't want to sell to them because BVB didn't want to sell Lewandowski to him in his Madrid days. So they just bought Mkhitaryan.
 
Honestly:

Salah: was always meant to be a Liverpool player. I can live with this. Although we played Basel in the Champions League and he did well against us (and he was on our radar), Liverpool probably had greater plans in mind for him than we did when we came in at the eleventh hour. As it was, we didn't actually sell him until 2016, when he'd come off a very good season for Roma, so it's a feck up, but not one that gives you sleepless nights because you feel it was always meant to be this way.

Lukaku: I just don't rate him highly enough. He does his best and I can't fault his commitment (endless pointing and arm waving aside), but I just don't think he's a good enough striker (and that's despite his goal tally) to lead the line for a club who wants to win the major honours. We virtually used the Lukaku money (£28m) to buy Costa (£32m) and he won us two titles in three seasons. What we've done to replace Costa is more of a concern and hasn't gone quite as well, but we have the summer to sort that out.

De Bruyne: absolutely devastates me. Every goal or assist is like a kick in the stomach. He's the best player in the league. We spotted him when no one else in Europe batted an eye lid. We bought him for £6 million. The weight and range of his passes, his eye for goal, his vision. He was the best player in pre-season (2013-14) to a point where I made him captain of my Fantasy Football team for the opening day of the season (and anyone who plays FPL knows that's not an honour you hand out lightly). Then Mourinho did his best to freeze him out after just one so-so (not even bad) performance.

Mourinho made some terrible, unforgivable decisions in his second stint. Rejecting the chance to get Toby Alderweireld in a straight swap for Felipe Luis because he wanted John Stones is up there, but ostracizing and failing to appreciate the talent of De Bruyne is probably the worst footballing decision of the 21st century.

He'll do it to you too. It wouldn't surprise me to see Pogba or Martial, or maybe even Luke Shaw all fare better somewhere else, away from his management.
 
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Snow said:
McGrath the injured alcaholic? Nothing wrong with that sale, SAF was changing the culture at the club.
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The best player in the league a year later, and seemingly a very good guy, but yes, I agree, and he himself in some way backed up Ferguson’s decision some time later, unless I remember correctly.
 
De Bruyne and Salah i'd be incredibly annoyed about. Lukaku, not so much.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Ah, the old defend Jose by pointing out Sir Alex's 'mistakes' trick. Never get tired of that one.

Also it's a truly senseless point to make. You've just listed down players that had successful and memorable United careers winning loads of trophies along the way. Sir Alex just felt their time at United was eventually up. And in some of those cases, we moved on to better things or the players' attitudes were a problem.

In Mourinho's case he let go of players who didnt achieve anything at Chelsea and are peforming brilliantly elsewhere. He could have developed them as you often have to do with brilliant young talents.
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You are assuming too much about my intentions.
 
Why does a United forum care so much about what happened at Chelsea? I mean, this is about the 100th a question revolving around those three has been asked.
 
@Di Maria's angel
Because its a roundabout way to criticise Jose.
Salah and KDB really are God sends to his critics, if they stayed at Chelsea they would have nobody to point at and pretend its the "He doesn't trust flair players" norm.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
Why does a United forum care so much about what happened at Chelsea? I mean, this is about the 100th a question revolving around those three has been asked.
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Because some people on here like to rub it in. But you could make a thread asking "How does it feel that the footballing world will remember Ronaldo as a Real player and not a United player?" That should get a sufficient amount of people going.
 
Well on monetary terms that’s about 400m throw into the bin.
 
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Managers sometimes have to make an instant call on whether someone is going to fit in at that point or not. Sometimes those players go on to prove them wrong elsewhere, or develop quicker under a different coach.
Sure if managers got everything right all the time they’d never get sacked.

Using 3 players against Mourinho in this way; you’d have to be a bit simple to hold a grudge. As a Chelsea fan I think you’d be more thankful that he turned them into a consistent trophy winning team; the best manager in Chelsea’s history
 
KDB is a killer, Jose's worst mistake in his career bar none (if he lets Martial go that would turn into a close second).

Salah's a difficult one, he's undeniably world class now, but at us he looked like the new SWP (at best) so i can't really blame Jose for that, just like Conte can't be blamed if Batshauyi goes to another English club and finally starts looking like a footballer.

Lukaku, had doubts within 20 minutes of his debut with us and have seen nothing since that has changed my mind. Wouldn't have minded him sticking around in the squad, but he made it clear he was gone unless he was made undisputed number 1 which would have meant abandoning Diego Costa's signing.
 
My intention with this thread was not to criticise Mourinho, but some people will obviously see it as that because of the current climate on this forum.

I was interested in how Chelsea fans felt about it all.
 
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