How do Chelsea fans feel about losing KdB, Salah and Lukaku?

His only full season at Wolfsburg was as good as Robben's or Ribery's best seasons in the Bundesliga. It was easily on the same level as what we've seen from him this season under Pep.

Definitely, as good as he is now. The only person Who didn't see it is actually Mou, who pushed him aside after being man of the match. Remember how he led the team at the 2th place, the 1/4 final of EL, and the Cup winning. He was like everywhere: at the ball's recovery, the initiation of the attacks, set-piece... Such impressive. I know all the up-front was OK: Perisic, Vierinha, Caligiuri or Rodriguez. But he was the main player of their direct-attacks tactic.

If we look at KDB career, he always have been at a very high level, very invested and one of the main player in all his clubs aside from Chelsea. If we put apart the Belgium league, he stays:
BL Young Player of the Year: 2013
Werder best move: 2013
BL Player of the Year: 2015
BL Team of the Year: 2015
BL top assist provider: 2015
EL Squad of the Season: 2015
Footballer of Germany by Kicker in 2015

His loans were all successful. Most of people were saying when he went to City that it's was an amazing move for the club because he was one the best assist provider and midfielder in the world who wasn't part of the top 3 : RM - FCB - Bayern.

In fact in 2013/2014, Klopp already did all he could to bring him at Borussia. KDB was interested by the move, but Jose wanted Lewan in the deal so he voluntarily block a winner-winner deal and his player's career.
 
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He took a pretty meh Wolfsburg side to second, helped them win the German Cup scoring in the final, broke the Bundesliga record for assists in a season and won German Footballer of the year(and the actual award not the fan vote award Mkhi and Kagawa won).
I respect your opinion as I think you are a good poster but we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. As I wrote in another post, I think not being involved in the big games (decisive league clashes and latter round CL games) automatically eliminates you from the discussion of the very best players which I think he is now or at least looks to be depending on how he performs in the upcoming CL ties.
 
I respect your opinion as I think you are a good poster but we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. As I wrote in another post, I think not being involved in the big games (decisive league clashes and latter round CL games) automatically eliminates you from the discussion of the very best players which I think he is now or at least looks to be depending on how he performs in the upcoming CL ties.

Was Suarez a World Class player in 13-14 considering he was not playing in the CL?
 
Was Suarez a World Class player in 13-14 considering he was not playing in the CL?
Yes I would say so because he was an essential part in a league race at a major league. He was involved in big decisive games with a high level of pressure against a 3 or 4 top teams. He went on to another level at Barcelona though since he was doing his stuff at an ever higher level.
 
Noone is bigger than the club. It's been a big mantra of our club for a long long time. This has to include the manager!

Mourinho is about himself, as good as he is, It's all about him. He is an egocentric megalomaniac. Am I the only one that sees this? He is more concerned about his record than the clubs.
He shipped out arguably 3 of the best players on earth right now because what?

Because they don't suit his boring defensive counter attack style he saw no future in wonderful attacking individual players. He needs a team of workhorse robots. I don't want this Mr Mournhio, no one does. I would sooner lose and attack.

I still believe Shaw has talent but doesn't fit Jose's style because he likes to attack! hence vulnerabilities in defence. (Screw defence it's boring) No place for Herrera, Perriera, Gomes, Chong the type of football we ache to see?

Man Utd all my life and my folks before me since 1979 I don't see our style anymore, Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho have killed what I loved. Christ I preferred Ron Atkinson and that's saying something,

KDB, Salah, Lukaku could walk into any team the world over right now and all would hit record stats

Thread's mission accomplished. Well done!
 
I think apart from KdB, Chelsea fans don't really care too much about Lukaku/Salah. Costa was a level above Lukaku whereas Salah just didn't show anything in his Chelsea days.
 
I think apart from KdB, Chelsea fans don't really care too much about Lukaku/Salah. Costa was a level above Lukaku whereas Salah just didn't show anything in his Chelsea days.

That's pretty spot on. I really wanted Lukaku to work out personally, he's not a Chelsea product but there's footage of him as a kid old doing a stadium tour of Stamford Bridge and it's clear how much it would've meant to him to make it here.



Maybe if he continues his good form he can eventually realise his dream and make the step up. Do I really need white text here?
 
Well they have Jose to thank for losing them. Hopefully in 3 years there won't be a thread about "how united fans feel about losing Martial, Rashford and Shaw".
 
Slightly off topic but about young players.

Today in a second habd shop I seen Fergie's Autobiography. I picked it up as you do and looked at the pages with pictures. There was one with the Class of '92 and the fella who brought hem through. Beckham , Giggs , Butt , Scholes , Phil and Gary Neville were there and some young lad called Cook or Cooke ? It intruiged me . Who was he and what happened to him ? His head must be battered.
 
Slightly off topic but about young players.

Today in a second habd shop I seen Fergie's Autobiography. I picked it up as you do and looked at the pages with pictures. There was one with the Class of '92 and the fella who brought hem through. Beckham , Giggs , Butt , Scholes , Phil and Gary Neville were there and some young lad called Cook or Cooke ? It intruiged me . Who was he and what happened to him ? His head must be battered.

Terry Cooke, he ended up playing for a few years in the lower league before moving to footballing backwaters like New Zealand, Azerbaijan and the USA.
 
Terry Cooke, he ended up playing for a few years in the lower league before moving to footballing backwaters like New Zealand, Azerbaijan and the USA.

Was he shit or something ? Like I said his head must be battered. A bit like Pete Best who got replaced by Ringo in 1962.

Ouch !
 
Was he shit or something ? Like I said his head must be battered. A bit like Pete Best who got replaced by Ringo in 1962.

Ouch !

It's all relative. He was shit compared to Paul Scholes but then most players were. He had a career as a professional player. That's more than most youth players do.

The "class of 92" was a real outlier of a crop of players but they were not all top level.
 
Lukaku
Hazard - KdB - Salah​

Would be shit.
Imagine if he did that to us.

That is Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez, Berbatov level lineup. With the defence and midfield Chelsea have this lineup would have dominated the league with style. It also shows how good Chelsea's recruiting is. Granted they have 30 people out on loan at any one time.
 
KDB and Salah yes, but Lukaku? He would right now get in our team at present due to Morata's form but he certainly isn't better than the other strikers in the top 6 and that's before we go abroad, he wouldn't sniff any action competing with Suarez, Lewa, Higuain, Mertens, Cavani, Diego Costa.......

He is a centre forward, one of the toughest around and still young and learning week in week out. Otamendi just said he is the toughest opponent he has faced. His numbers are not through the roof simply because he is hardly seeing the ball most matches. We could have RVN, RVP, Cantona, Hughes, Cole , Yorke, Solskjaer, Sheringham or Ronaldo up top as lone striker at the moment, all would struggle because they are not getting the ball and not receiving crosses, through balls and balls over the top.

That is down to the manager and his tactics and the fact United needs to improve the midfield and wings and even the centre backs. JM is doing okay with what he has but Christ these are supposedly superstar footballers on astronomical wages! It should and has to be better. Best thing we can do is stop renewing contracts and start over, keep promoting youth the United way.
 
Imagine if he did that to us.

That is Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez, Berbatov level lineup. With the defence and midfield Chelsea have this lineup would have dominated the league with style. It also shows how good Chelsea's recruiting is. Granted they have 30 people out on loan at any one time.
It's scary, would love that. Crazy they were all together (kind of).
 
I actually think that the KDB's and Rom's move was terrible since the beginning. I remember to see a little KDB in Chelsea and he has a special something, but rarely he was playing. Rom was a more obvious case of need of minutes to get better. He was only 18-19 when he was under José.

Salah's move, otherwise i think it was a good move. He was joke in Chelsea, get a bit better with Roma... But nobody expect this level.
 
In all honesty the loss of Salah and Lukaku isn't to painful to stomach. Lukaku was a childhood Chelsea fan and it would of been nice to see him stay but for his development he had to leave. Salah is amazing now but tbh there wasn't much shown during his time at Chelsea which would indicate he would be the player he has shown himself to be this season. Of course a huge part of that is due to our reluctance to show greater patience with young players, so he needed a club that would allow him to come into his own. De Bruyne on the other hand....

It is truly like a punch to the gut every time I watch him. The main reason being that unlike the other two, it was so incredible obvious how talented De Bruyne was and he demonstrated this by performing within the team. I think as someone already mentioned. We scouted De Bruyne before any other team was able to grab him, buying him for a measly 6 million euros from the Belgian League. He was our best player in pre-season for 2013-2014. Mourinho's first EPL game back I believe we beat Hull City 2-0 and De Bruyne was the man of the match. At that point in time, we were still playing 4-2-3-1 with Torres the lead striker. Hazard had already cemented the left side as his. Mata and Oscar were interchangeable and he would later end up choosing Oscar(mistakingly I believe) over Mata. However, the right side was seemingly up for grabs. Willian, Schurlle and KDB all had equal opportunity for the position and De Bruyne made the biggest impact. I believe Mourinho sold him because De Bruyne wanted to be assured a starting spot in the team and Mourinho in an effort to establish his own coaching culture, having just come back, was unwilling to concede to such a request. The problem with that is KDB deserved to start on merit rather than request.

Selling DeBruyne is easily one of the biggest mistakes the club has made in the last 10 years
 
In all honesty the loss of Salah and Lukaku isn't to painful to stomach. Lukaku was a childhood Chelsea fan and it would of been nice to see him stay but for his development he had to leave. Salah is amazing now but tbh there wasn't much shown during his time at Chelsea which would indicate he would be the player he has shown himself to be this season. Of course a huge part of that is due to our reluctance to show greater patience with young players, so he needed a club that would allow him to come into his own. De Bruyne on the other hand....

It is truly like a punch to the gut every time I watch him. The main reason being that unlike the other two, it was so incredible obvious how talented De Bruyne was and he demonstrated this by performing within the team. I think as someone already mentioned. We scouted De Bruyne before any other team was able to grab him, buying him for a measly 6 million euros from the Belgian League. He was our best player in pre-season for 2013-2014. Mourinho's first EPL game back I believe we beat Hull City 2-0 and De Bruyne was the man of the match. At that point in time, we were still playing 4-2-3-1 with Torres the lead striker. Hazard had already cemented the left side as his. Mata and Oscar were interchangeable and he would later end up choosing Oscar(mistakingly I believe) over Mata. However, the right side was seemingly up for grabs. Willian, Schurlle and KDB all had equal opportunity for the position and De Bruyne made the biggest impact. I believe Mourinho sold him because De Bruyne wanted to be assured a starting spot in the team and Mourinho in an effort to establish his own coaching culture, having just come back, was unwilling to concede to such a request. The problem with that is KDB deserved to start on merit rather than request.

Selling DeBruyne is easily one of the biggest mistakes the club has made in the last 10 years
Agree with all this. It is JM being pigheaded and everything has to be his way. What I can't understand is when he managed Porto that team played with flair and speed. The Premier league has turned him into what he is today
 
Recruit additional investors? Not sure how that would work. Even if Roman got his rich mates involved, we're only just on the right side of FFP as it is.

Well I could see one potential investor that Roman could get to invest in Chelsea in the form of Usmanov. I mean from what I have read they have done business together in the past and likewise it is clear that Usmanov is getting nowhere with his shareholding at the Arsenal (especially since Kroenke refuses to see that the value of Arsenal as a business is falling as the seasons rolls by). So instead of wasting his time at the Emirates, I would suggest that instead he sells his stake to Kroenke and uses the money to invest into Chelsea instead (for say £700 million), thus enabling Chelsea to properly complete in the transfer/wages market (1) and give a real challenge to the Manchester clubs at the very least (2).

Likewise another options could recruiting Aliko Dangote to invest in Chelsea instead of also wasting his time with the Arsenal, getting other Russian Billionaires involved or even getting the Kremlin themselves involved (even just by having Rosneft and Aeroflot become sponsors of the club while Gazprom increases their involvment with the club) (3).

Finally if the blues do realise that backing FFP was if anything worse than selling KDB, they could always get the Kremlin to "persuade" UEFA into scrapping the boneheaded policy or at least get them to look the other way with Chelsea, after all that is how they got the World Cup in the first place and that is also how they get Gazprom as a CL sponsor.

(1) I would personally suggest rading Spurs of their best players to start things off, especially Kane, Alli, Erriksen, Son, Dier, Wanyama, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, D.Sanchez, Trippier and Lloris.

(2) As well allow Arsenal fans to angry about how Kroenke has helped transform Chelsea fortunes.

(3) Because there is no better way (other than avoid doing stupid decisions like the Russians have done of late) of improving your own image by owning a football club.

We've got very healthy sponsor deals in place.

Without a doubt this is the case. One should give the current board of Chelsea credit for the deals they have brokered, if only they were as good when it came to trasnfers and player development.

We're in the process of sorting out the ground size.

Personally I feel that 60,000 is simply not enough for a club with both the current size (1) and potential (2), rather Chelsea should be looking at building an 80,000 seater stadium instead, which can be done by buying up the current site of the London Oratory School, the Fulham Broadway Shopping Centre and the various properties between the stadium, the shopping centre and the Fulham Road.

(1) Least we not forget that until recently Arsenal regularly filled their 60,000 capacity ground despite 12 years of poor seasons while Spurs have had an average of 68,000 attendence wise at Wembley Stadium despite their highish ticket prices.

(2) Least we not forget that with the decline of Arsenal, Man United still trying to reach the sort of sucess levels they had under Fergie and the uncertain long-term future of Tottenham's current squad, this gives a massive opportunity for Chelsea to dominate the London/Home Counties football fanbase (especially the younger fans who did not grow up under the Graham or Invincible era of the Arsenal nor most of the Fergie era at United) the long run.

However the Blues can only suceed in doing that if they are able to match (or even outcompete) in terms of trasnfers/wages against the Manchester clubs and the El Classico dupoly as well as improve their youth development programes (most of all when it comes to getting academy players into the first team though measures such as more long-term loans and the introduction of a B Team in The Football League). Otherwise it would be other clubs (perhaps even my own eventually) that will end up winning their hearts and minds.

It is also the only way Chelsea can properly financially with the El Classico, PSG and the Manchester clubs, especially once Roman is out of the picture.

I know the club wanted FFP. I've got no complaints about it.

And why would you be in favour your club following FFP? Now if Chelsea had a lock on the domestic game (in terms of fanbase, revenues and suceess on the field) as Bayern Munich does in Germany while being a serious contender for the Champions League on a regular basis, I would understand why you would want to avoid the likes to City from upsurping your club. The fact is though, this is far from the case and thus I am interested in your support for it despite the issues it causes for Chelsea.

Top players want to be first choice. Lukaku would not have signed as a backup (and nor should he) regardless of how many games you think Costa might miss through suspension.

To be fair to Lukaku, I would have only put him into the Chelsea first team during this season. So any "issues" he might have facing competition with Costa would only apply to this season. Reguardless what he feels about the matter, the fact that it is completely irresponsble to have only one good striker in your books. Simply because any injuries, suspenstions or fatigue issues that their one good striker might suffer from gives the club in question a good chance of having their season completely derailed because of it.

So reguardless what Lukaku likes to think, Chelsea needs 2 good strikers on the books to succeed on a consistant basis (as this season is showing) and if Conte is going to continue to use 3-5-2 on some basis or so, then if anything they are going to need to have 3 good strikers on the books.

After all one only has to look at how City faired when we only had Aguero in the CF/ST position, that is every time he got injured it ended up contributing to our poor form in the last few seasons of late. That why the trasnfer for Jesus was so important for City, because it meant that the club were less reliant on Aguero and thus where able to improve their consistency on the field. Hence why we where able to cope pretty easily cope with the loss of Aguero earlier in the season because we had Jesus as well (1).

(1) The same cannot be said for our Winger positions though, hence why it was a horrible decision on City's part in not getting Sanchez in either transfer window, a decision which cost us the Liverpool game (at Anfield), the Wigan FA Cup Game and several other games to various extents. Hence why I feel we need to get Bailey, Salah, Erriksen and (I'm sorry to say this to yourself) Hazard (or at least 2 of those 4) to address this problem.

Luis didn't settle in England and wanted to go home.

You cannot expect players to settle in England after one season though. No matter how good you are as a player.

We got our money back for an unhappy player.

When you look at the bigger picture, his sale was a from a financial perspective it was a disaster for the Blues, since you ended up wasting all that money on Rahman the following season and eventually had to spend £24 Million on Marcus Alonso (1) and £17.5 Million on Emerson to finally have 2 decent options for LB once more.

In other words instead of just spending £24 million on Alonso (to make sure you have 2 good options for LB), Chelsea have ended up spending over £41.5 million instead to sure you had 2 good options for LB.

(1) Although to be fair, his purchase was needed anyway (even if Luis stayed) due to the phase out of Ivanović on RB and the transfer of Azpilicueta to the RCB. Meaning there a lack of decent options for LB, especially when Cole and Bertrand where already out of the picture by the 2014-2015 season.

Not sure how a loan would've benefited anyone when the player didn't want to stay.

It would certainly have benefited Chelsea, firstly by retaining addtional strength in depth for the Fullback positions (especially when Ivanović began to decline) if needs be and secondly by preventing Atletico Madrid from using him against any future fixtures against Chelsea in the Champions League, thus (slightly) improving Chelsea's prospects in said competition.

Salah should've been loaned again, sure.

Agreed, Chelsea had no excuses to let him go just when he was starting to show improvement. Especially when Chelsea themselves have on occasion shown they use the loan system properly to develop both Courtois and Christensen.

Cuadrado was shit for us. Not at all suited to a wingback role in the prem. I'm not in the slightest bit bothered he was sold.

Again, he was only given half a season to prove himself, a time period which even Jose said was too short to make a fair judgement. Thus my point was that when he was doing well at Juventus (at RWB as well), he should have been recalled back to the Chelsea team to see if could work out for them at RWB instead of selling him to Juventus.

Why did Matic want to join a manager who trusts him at the biggest club in the country for a pay increase? Hmmm, I wonder.

If it is simply about a question of money then I can more than understand why Matic wanted to go (1), however if he was so desperate to link up with Jose at United, why did he make no transfer requests or even spread any transfer rumours about wanting to leave Chelsea during the whole of last season (2)? Because during last season it looked like Fabregas would be the midfielder to leave Chelsea instead of him.

(1) Although questions need to be rasied why the idiotic board felt they were better off wasting £40 million (and £110,000 per week in wages) on Tiemoué Bakayoko instead, especially when despite being on slightly less wages than Matic at United, he is definately a downgrade on Matic.

(2) Likewise he was also getting a lot of game time as well under Conte.
 
We bought a lot of the players with the money we got from selling others in your dream squad. If we didn't sell we couldn't buy.

I would agree that many of the players bought in recent years were largely financed by the sales of other players. However despite this fact I have been doing some research on this subject and this is what I have found:

Chelsea FC Net Spend in the last 5 Seasons (If they did not sell those 8 players)

2013-2014 Season: £105.9 Million (Up £53.6 Million with no sales of KDB and Mata)

2014-2015 Season: £32.2 Million (Up £28 Million with no sale of Lukaku)

2015-2016 Season: £18.9 Million (Up £11.1 Million with no sale of Luis)

2016-2017 Season: £32.3 Million (Up £14.5 Million with no sale of Salah)

2017-2018 Season: £182.8 Million (Up £107.3 Million with no sale of Costa, Cuadrado and Matic)

Total Additional Net Spend across 5 Seasons: £214.5 Million

Players that Chelsea FC should have not purchased under any circumstances

2013-2014 Season: None

2014-2015 Season: Remy (£10.5 Million)

2015-2016 Season: Rahman (£14 Million) + Djilobodji (£2.7 Million)

2016-2017: None

2017-2018 Season: Bakayoko (£40 Million) + Morata (£58 Million) + Drinkwater (£35 Million) + Giroud (£18 Million)

Total Across 5 Seasons: £178.2 Million

What it shows that is this; had they retailed the 8 players in question and avoided purchasing Remy, Rahman, Djilobodji, Bakayoko, Morata, Drinkwater and Giroud in the first place (all of wholm would have not been needed had those 8 players not been sold) then it real terms Chelsea would only have needed to spend an additional £36.3 Million over 5 seasons. A cost which is without a doubt one which Chelsea could afford to bear to achieve what you would call a "dream squad" (1)

Likewise I would also say that in the long-term, the loss of these 8 players for the sake of saving £36 million pounds will end up costing a lot more than that to address directly (at the very least in the many hundreds of millions) and quite frankly if Chelsea are to properly compete next season then they need to be doing this as well as address their issues in the CB positions as well.

Finally I would also like to add (in relation to the loss of those 8 players) that the main issues with both this season and 2015-2016 (and in turn why Chelsea have failed to win mutiple titles in a row) has been the lack of strength in depth, an issue which could be swept under the carpet in 2014-2015 and 2016-2017 (2) but clearly could not be sustained across 2 whole seasons in a row. So my retaining those 8 players that issue that would have been largely addressed had Chelsea had the sense to retain them, thus enabling themsevles to have the sort of "dream squad" that I suggested earlier and be able to achieve in obtaining more trophies than they have ended up winning in the last 4 seasons.

(1) Although for me, it would only really be a dream squad if Cahill and Luiz were replaced by Alderweireld, Vertonghen and D.Sanchez in the CB positions and Caballero was replaced by Oblek in the GK position.

(2) helped by being out of Europe completely and out the League Cup almost as soon as they entered.
 
That's pretty spot on. I really wanted Lukaku to work out personally, he's not a Chelsea product but there's footage of him as a kid old doing a stadium tour of Stamford Bridge and it's clear how much it would've meant to him to make it here.



Maybe if he continues his good form he can eventually realise his dream and make the step up. Do I really need white text here?


He also used to think he looked good with dreadlocks when he was younger.
 
I would agree that many of the players bought in recent years were largely financed by the sales of other players. However despite this fact I have been doing some research on this subject and this is what I have found:

Chelsea FC Net Spend in the last 5 Seasons (If they did not sell those 8 players)

2013-2014 Season: £105.9 Million (Up £53.6 Million with no sales of KDB and Mata)

2014-2015 Season: £32.2 Million (Up £28 Million with no sale of Lukaku)

2015-2016 Season: £18.9 Million (Up £11.1 Million with no sale of Luis)

2016-2017 Season: £32.3 Million (Up £14.5 Million with no sale of Salah)

2017-2018 Season: £182.8 Million (Up £107.3 Million with no sale of Costa, Cuadrado and Matic)

Total Additional Net Spend across 5 Seasons: £214.5 Million

Players that Chelsea FC should have not purchased under any circumstances

2013-2014 Season: None

2014-2015 Season: Remy (£10.5 Million)

2015-2016 Season: Rahman (£14 Million) + Djilobodji (£2.7 Million)

2016-2017: None

2017-2018 Season: Bakayoko (£40 Million) + Morata (£58 Million) + Drinkwater (£35 Million) + Giroud (£18 Million)

Total Across 5 Seasons: £178.2 Million

What it shows that is this; had they retailed the 8 players in question and avoided purchasing Remy, Rahman, Djilobodji, Bakayoko, Morata, Drinkwater and Giroud in the first place (all of wholm would have not been needed had those 8 players not been sold) then it real terms Chelsea would only have needed to spend an additional £36.3 Million over 5 seasons. A cost which is without a doubt one which Chelsea could afford to bear to achieve what you would call a "dream squad" (1)

Likewise I would also say that in the long-term, the loss of these 8 players for the sake of saving £36 million pounds will end up costing a lot more than that to address directly (at the very least in the many hundreds of millions) and quite frankly if Chelsea are to properly compete next season then they need to be doing this as well as address their issues in the CB positions as well.

Finally I would also like to add (in relation to the loss of those 8 players) that the main issues with both this season and 2015-2016 (and in turn why Chelsea have failed to win mutiple titles in a row) has been the lack of strength in depth, an issue which could be swept under the carpet in 2014-2015 and 2016-2017 (2) but clearly could not be sustained across 2 whole seasons in a row. So my retaining those 8 players that issue that would have been largely addressed had Chelsea had the sense to retain them, thus enabling themsevles to have the sort of "dream squad" that I suggested earlier and be able to achieve in obtaining more trophies than they have ended up winning in the last 4 seasons.

(1) Although for me, it would only really be a dream squad if Cahill and Luiz were replaced by Alderweireld, Vertonghen and D.Sanchez in the CB positions and Caballero was replaced by Oblek in the GK position.

(2) helped by being out of Europe completely and out the League Cup almost as soon as they entered.

God bless you Captain Hindsight (1).

(1) That's a South Park reference.
 
God bless you Captain Hindsight (1).

(1) That's a South Park reference.

In all seriousness it does expose how poor the board are when it comes to transfers/player development (1), so they deserve a lot more scrutiny than they are getting compared to Conte.

(1) In the same way as Cartman would be as the American Ambassador to Israel (carrying on the South Park theme...)
 
@1Manchester while i agree in principal that you need two top strikers it wasn't possible with Lukaku. He made it very clear he was only staying if we made him undisputed number 1, if/when United start signing competition for his place watch him hand him another transfer request.
 
In all seriousness it does expose how poor the board are when it comes to transfers/player development (1), so they deserve a lot more scrutiny than they are getting compared to Conte.

Scrunity from who? Go to any Chelsea forum and you'll find plenty whining about it. There's also been plenty of press about us making mistakes by selling certain players.

Winning the league 2 out of the last 3 times has given a shield from serious criticism. Could we have won 3 out of 3 with better planning? Maybe but it's a stretch to complain about it.
 
KDB and Salah yes, but Lukaku? He would right now get in our team at present due to Morata's form but he certainly isn't better than the other strikers in the top 6 and that's before we go abroad, he wouldn't sniff any action competing with Suarez, Lewa, Higuain, Mertens, Cavani, Diego Costa.......

You don't rate Lukaku ahead of Firmino, Lacazette, Aubameyang, Giroud, Morata?

Can I ask you why exactly?

The lad is 24 and has 100 PL goals. He's a striker. Kane, who is widely regarded as the best PL striker has 102..
 
You don't rate Lukaku ahead of Firmino, Lacazette, Aubameyang, Giroud, Morata?

Can I ask you why exactly?

The lad is 24 and has 100 PL goals. He's a striker. Kane, who is widely regarded as the best PL striker has 102..

Giroud and Lacazette are the back ups, it would be like comparing DDG and Caballero.

As i have already said today, he is within touching distance of Drogba's overall goal tally and despite that has a while to go until he eclipses him. My worry with signing him was i felt the manager would look for an upgrade in a couple of years (especially as the noises are we are after a manager who prioritizes attacking technical footy this summer), a bit like how Heynkes replaced Gomez despite a goal a game record. If im still around in a few years time and im wrong you can laud it over me all you like but i remember turning around to my friend after his debut for Chelsea and said "he'd score goals but he won't lead a team at the very top, like a Drogba, Rooney, Aguero" (who were the leading forwards at the time) and 7 years on im yet to see anything thats forced me to reassess.

Personally i believe he's at his ceiling now, a very good PL goalscorer.
 
Giroud and Lacazette are the back ups, it would be like comparing DDG and Caballero.

As i have already said today, he is within touching distance of Drogba's overall goal tally and despite that has a while to go until he eclipses him. My worry with signing him was i felt the manager would look for an upgrade in a couple of years (especially as the noises are we are after a manager who prioritizes attacking technical footy this summer), a bit like how Heynkes replaced Gomez despite a goal a game record. If im still around in a few years time and im wrong you can laud it over me all you like but i remember turning around to my friend after his debut for Chelsea and said "he'd score goals but he won't lead a team at the very top, like a Drogba, Rooney, Aguero" (who were the leading forwards at the time) and 7 years on im yet to see anything thats forced me to reassess.

Personally i believe he's at his ceiling now, a very good PL goalscorer.

You know which player replaced Gomez? It wasn't a technical wizard, it was a work horse, a target man.

bold part, couldn't have been more wrong. He has already improved since he joined ManUtd and there is a steady progress. If he can start using his physical strength properly then he will take his game to next level.

Btw, lets not pretend Drogba was some sort of all time greats. People forgot his inconsistencies, frustrating matching, whining every season about leaving but remembers his best performances.
 
You know which player replaced Gomez? It wasn't a technical wizard, it was a work horse, a target man.

bold part, couldn't have been more wrong. He has already improved since he joined ManUtd and there is a steady progress. If he can start using his physical strength properly then he will take his game to next level.

Btw, lets not pretend Drogba was some sort of all time greats. People forgot his inconsistencies, frustrating matching, whining every season about leaving but remembers his best performances.
He had similar spells at Everton aswell, like the time he took us apart in the FA Cup on top of good form for a while and he was supposedly coming off age then. He didn't score for the rest of the season after that.

Drogs was more an example off how strikers are more than goals, if i thought of his best 20 games at Chelsea he probably failed to score in half of them, i imagine it's a similar song with Rooney.
 
He had similar spells at Everton aswell, like the time he took us apart in the FA Cup on top of good form for a while and he was supposedly coming off age then. He didn't score for the rest of the season after that.

Drogs was more an example off how strikers are more than goals, if i thought of his best 20 games at Chelsea he probably failed to score in half of them, i imagine it's a similar song with Rooney.

He is better than he was at Everton. His passing in final third is good, crossing is very good. Almost every aspect of his game has improved.

Rooney wasn't a #9. Drogba was. Yeah, strikers are more than just scoring. I didn't deny it, people have forgotten how inconsistent Drogba was when half the time he wasn't even arsed. It's how it is with retired players, people remember their best games and think they were as good consistently.
 
You know which player replaced Gomez? It wasn't a technical wizard, it was a work horse, a target man.

bold part, couldn't have been more wrong. He has already improved since he joined ManUtd and there is a steady progress. If he can start using his physical strength properly then he will take his game to next level.

Btw, lets not pretend Drogba was some sort of all time greats. People forgot his inconsistencies, frustrating matching, whining every season about leaving but remembers his best performances.


I agree that Drogba's career in its totality has certainly been overtly romanticized since he retired, with him having a couple seasons were his goal tally should probably be higher. However, I think most people would disagree with you if you were to suggest that Drogba isn't an all time EPL great.
 
This kind of thing is always likely to happen when a club has an enormous global scouting network, stockpiles talented players at an insane level, but demands a certain standard and immediate consistency from its first team players. Chelsea run a model now where player recruitment is more like asset management than squad building. So many come through their doors, but players develop at different rates and require opportunity and support to fulfill their potential. Inevitably some are going to slip through the cracks.

For all it seems disappointing now, Chelsea made a profit on all 3 players. And they make money on players who barely even play a game for them; for example the likes of Nathan Ake going for £20 million. I wait with bated breath for how much they will demand this summer for Kenedy. The ones they don't sell go into the first team ala Courtois and Christensen.

It's a fairly good model and an obvious culture shift from the club as it enters a period where their spending power will likely diminish slightly during the construction of the new stadium. However I'm not really a fan of it. It's exploitative of players, and I have no doubt that it hurts the development of both the youngsters who enter their academy and the more expensive recruits who become loan fodder. It's also exploitative of the loan system in that it allows them to hold all the cards. For example potentially beating a smaller club to a player, loaning him out to said club for a couple of years so he can develop, and then they either keep said player or charge the smaller club a huge chunk of TV coin to buy him. In a world where the loan system doesn't exist said player would have instead joined the smaller club in the first place, developed there, and then benefited them by being sold on. The loan system is theoretically a good thing for youth development, but in a world of unlimited squads it becomes a tool for reinforcing structural inequalities between clubs and often to the detriment of many players.
 
I agree that Drogba's career in its totality has certainly been overtly romanticized since he retired, with him having a couple seasons were his goal tally should probably be higher. However, I think most people would disagree with you if you were to suggest that Drogba isn't an all time EPL great.

Depends on how many players you considered as all time great. He was superb when on his game though.
 
Depends on how many players you considered as all time great. He was superb when on his game though.

I mean if you have to really make a list it wouldn't be that long. For arguments sake I'll leave out defenders. You have the top tier of guys like Henry, Cantona, Keane, Ronaldo, Viera, Giggs, Gerrard, Suarez, Ronaldo, Rooney. (I know I'm missing a few). You can argue Drogba should be on the list or very close to it just based on overall impact on his clubs success during his tenure