How do Chelsea fans feel about losing KdB, Salah and Lukaku?

Dancfc said:
@1Manchester while i agree in principal that you need two top strikers it wasn't possible with Lukaku. He made it very clear he was only staying if we made him undisputed number 1
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Well if he scored 60+ goals, made 60+ assists, never got injured, never got suspended and never suffered from fatigue (even after playing over 65 games across a whole season) and did so for the next 5-6 seasons, then I would completely understand why he would want to be the "undisputed number one striker". The fact is though, if neither Messi nor Ronaldo are able to achieve this then Lukaku (for all his talents) will be able to achieve this.

In other words he is being utterly unreasonable by making this demand.

Dancfc said:
if/when United start signing competition for his place watch him hand him another transfer request.
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The problem for him is that many of the clubs which could afford his transfer fee already have strong contenders for the striker role, for example Tottenham have Kane (and to an extent Son), City have Jesus and Aguero, Arsenal have Aubameyang and Lacazette, Chelsea have Batshuayi (and perhaps Morrata and Giroud depending on the following season), Bayern have Lewandowski, PSG have Cavani and Mbappe, Real are likely to get Icardi or Kane (1), Atletico have Costa and Griezmann and Juventus has Higuaín and Dybala.

So realistically, the only way Lukaku can achieve his wet dream of finding a big (or bigish) club which have no good strikers (on their books) are more or less the next tier of clubs in Europe (with an exception to Dortmund) below this list, many of wholm would struggle to afford the sort of transfer fee to buy him. So basically the only realistic option (or close enough) that would meet his unreasonable demands would be basically AC Milan, a club which is facing a huge challenge to avoid both bankruptcy and violating FFP (2).

Besides even if Man United got Harry Kane off Spurs, why on earth would they be stupid enough to then flog off Lukaku in the process? Especially when the club suffered from being first overeliant on a declining Rooney and then on Zlatan (3).

(1) Hope City outbid Real for him.

(2) Ironic considering that they were among the strongest advocates for FFP in the first place.

(3) Zlatan was a very good option for United, but the fact his injury almost derailed their Europa League campaign (and thus damage their short-term future) exposed this problem.

duffer said:
Scrunity from who? Go to any Chelsea forum and you'll find plenty whining about it. There's also been plenty of press about us making mistakes by selling certain players.
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I am not saying that the board have completely avoided criticism themselves (1) over the both the sale of those 8 and their youth development policy. What I am saying is that they get less of the blame compared to what the managers are getting.

Likewise I do not doubt that there are a lot of Chelsea fans who also feel the board is largely to blame, there is yet to a strong consensus/movement against the board in the same way Arsenal fans (minus Ty) have become against Wenger and their board.

Maybe I am wrong about this, but that is the impression I am getting.

(1) Although when it came to the KDB and Salah saga's, the media by and large largely blame Jose more than the board.

duffer said:
Winning the league 2 out of the last 3 times has given a shield from serious criticism.
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At the same time though, they bottled an FA Cup Final (1) last season against a declining Arsenal side, they got knocked out the League Cup last season against a struggling West Ham side and have stagnated in Europe. So despite their record PL record, there was plenty of room for improvement to see (2). And does not even include the inability to win more than 1 title in a row...

(1) Despite Chelsea's strong record in the cup over the last decade or so. Likewise I was particularly furious at the Blues bottling it due to my fondness for League-Cup Doubles and the fact it give Wenger and Board their excuses to get away with yet another poor season (and a particulary bad one at that).

(2) I apologise if I sound like an utter fool in suggesting this, it is just that from my experence as a City fan (though all the highs and lows) has taught me that no matter how well (or badly) your club is doing, you should always aim higher and always try to improve.

duffer said:
Could we have won 3 out of 3 with better planning? Maybe but it's a stretch to complain about it.
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If we are talking about the Late 90s-Early 00s Bates era and the "King's of the Kings Road" era Chelsea then I would see why it would be a stretch, but we are talking about the current era of Chelsea and quite frankly for a club that is now one of the biggest in the country (in terms of fanbase, finances and recent sucess) so it is not unreasonable to raise issues about their current form.
 
I would be burning effigies of Jose if I was a Chelsea fan seeing KDB and Salah tearing apart teams for fun. After Messi and Ronaldo, easily the two most exciting players on the planet.
On a serious note, how can you not see the talent. Forget about Jose, how do Chelsea's scouts and football director allow this. They have 50 players out on loan at one point, why not do it with these two? We are talking about genuine Ballon D'or contenders here.
 
Dr. StrangeHate said:
I would be burning effigies of Jose if I was a Chelsea fan seeing KDB and Salah tearing apart teams for fun. After Messi and Ronaldo, easily the two most exciting players on the planet.
On a serious note, how can you not see the talent. Forget about Jose, how do Chelsea's scouts and football director allow this. They have 50 players out on loan at one point, why not do it with these two? We are talking about genuine Ballon D'or contenders here.
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When KDB was sold we were still in the honeymoon period of Jose returning so we (very wrongly) trusted his judgement.

Salah was a different case which i can't blame Jose for. His performances for us made SWP (Chelsea version) look like a Ronaldo and Messi hybrid by comparison and while KDB's talent was obvious, anyone who says they saw what Salah's doing coming is a liar, he is a seriously unique case i have never seen before.
 
I think people over estimate the control Mourinho had on transfers there. They have a director of football for a start and every manager has ended up pissed off at the club’s movement in the transfer market following a successful season.
 
Dr. StrangeHate said:
I would be burning effigies of Jose if I was a Chelsea fan seeing KDB and Salah tearing apart teams for fun. After Messi and Ronaldo, easily the two most exciting players on the planet.
On a serious note, how can you not see the talent. Forget about Jose, how do Chelsea's scouts and football director allow this. They have 50 players out on loan at one point, why not do it with these two? We are talking about genuine Ballon D'or contenders here.
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What's worse is how these guys did on loan. I mean, Salah was brilliant on loan at Fiorentina, he was running a one man counter in those days while KDB went to Bremen and did really well. How anyone sells players with the sort of loan spells they had is beyond me. Heck, Lukaku was banging em in for fun playing in really mediocre sides himself.
 
The last four years of PL Chelsea have won it two times so is it really that bad they left?

It is not like Chelsea have failed after selling them.
 
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Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Hindsight always makes people appear smarter than they really are......
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But players rarely come out of nowhere to become best in the world. That is the job of the scouts and mangers to identify. How could Chelsea scouts not see KDB, even in the few matches he played under Mourinho he was excellent. Salah might be a mystery but KDB wasn't and Lukaku was always going to be a decent striker. Chelsea have an established loan system, couldn't they have done it with these players. May be it is as simple as these players wanting a clean break.
 
People really need to let this go now its getting ridiculous how much of a meme its become. Even the Chelsea fans here are saying it was only really KdB and it was him who wanted to be sold not Chelsea pushing him out.
All managers fall out with players even Sir Alex sold on players who were genuinely world class at that time because of clashes never mind 'potential'.
 
The only one they should care about is KDB. That was the only real mistake.
 
Dr. StrangeHate said:
But players rarely come out of nowhere to become best in the world. That is the job of the scouts and mangers to identify. How could Chelsea scouts not see KDB, even in the few matches he played under Mourinho he was excellent. Salah might be a mystery but KDB wasn't and Lukaku was always going to be a decent striker. Chelsea have an established loan system, couldn't they have done it with these players. May be it is as simple as these players wanting a clean break.
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Rarely as you say but it does happen but which young players do you keep to see if they continue to improve?
When the pressure is on to succeed gambling on individual players is exactly that so mistakes happen. A few of our youngsters have been given PL experience more out of necessity and thankfully some have shone but some will be late developers and some will not continue to improve so pressure will be on the manager to sell quickly and in some circumstances to buy stars perhaps for commercial reasons so with so many variables and choice needed mistakes can happen.
 
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Dr. StrangeHate said:
But players rarely come out of nowhere to become best in the world. That is the job of the scouts and mangers to identify. How could Chelsea scouts not see KDB, even in the few matches he played under Mourinho he was excellent.
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Revisionist lies. He had like 1 good games in 3 under Jose. Yet was then making all sorts of demands for playing time at a club at which he'd proved nothing. In a side that were league champions. I know its fancy for people to claim that letting KDB go was some huge error on Chelsea's part but it really wasn't.

Dr. StrangeHate said:
Salah might be a mystery but KDB wasn't and Lukaku was always going to be a decent striker. Chelsea have an established loan system, couldn't they have done it with these players. May be it is as simple as these players wanting a clean break.
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Lukaku and KDB both wanted to leave. Lukaku felt it was best to be first choice at a lower club, for a stable period to develop him into a player ready for the likes of Chelsea, rather than loan deals. Whilst KDB simply didn't want to fight for his place at Chelsea and didn't want another loan. Salah was the only one that it can be said they gave up on too early. He wanted to stay and was doing well on loan. They instead chose to use him to raise funds for other more established folk. For me he is the only transfer mistake they made. For had they kept him at the very least he'd have saved them having to spend cash on the likes of Pedro or at the very least, they'd have reaped the benefits Liverpool are getting now from a long term loan, like they did with Cristiansen
 
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Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Revisionist lies. He had like 1 good games in 3 under Jose. Yet was then making all sorts of demands for playing time at a club at which he'd proved nothing. In a side that were league champions. I know its fancy for people to claim that letting KDB go was some huge error on Chelsea's part but it really wasn't.

Lukaku and KDB both wanted to leave. Lukaku felt it was best to be first choice at a lower club, for a stable period to develop him into a player ready for the likes of Chelsea, rather than loan deals. Whilst KDB simply didn't want to fight for his place at Chelsea and didn't want another loan. Salah was the only one that it can be said they gave up on too early. He wanted to stay and was doing well on loan. They instead chose to use him to raise funds for other more established folk. For me he is the only transfer mistake they made. For had they kept him at the very least he'd have saved them having to spend cash on the likes of Pedro or at the very least, they's have reaped the benefits Liverpool are getting now from a long term loan, like they did with Cristiansen
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Great post.
You can’t simply keep a player against his will. If they want to leave and get that 1st team experience, there is not much you can do.
These players asked to leave, they weren’t sold because they weren’t valued.
 
Dr. StrangeHate said:
I would be burning effigies of Jose if I was a Chelsea fan seeing KDB and Salah tearing apart teams for fun. After Messi and Ronaldo, easily the two most exciting players on the planet.
On a serious note, how can you not see the talent. Forget about Jose, how do Chelsea's scouts and football director allow this. They have 50 players out on loan at one point, why not do it with these two? We are talking about genuine Ballon D'or contenders here.
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Salah's turning out to be the one that got away, otherwise i'm not too bothered. De Bruyne isn't better than Hazard either, and he certainly isn't more exicting to watch.

This summer will be interesting. New manager and a likely overhaul of the squad.
 
Apocalypse said:
Salah's turning out to be the one that got away, otherwise i'm not too bothered. De Bruyne isn't better than Hazard either, and he certainly isn't more exicting to watch.

This summer will be interesting. New manager and a likely overhaul of the squad.
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De Bruyne and Hazard don't play in the same position though, so why are you comparing them?
 
SS said:
De Bruyne and Hazard don't play in the same position though, so why are you comparing them?
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Same reason people compare Messi and Ronaldo when they don't play in the same position.
Kazi said:
Why is Lukaku included in this lol
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Most likely because this thread was posted on a Man Utd forum.
 
And for all the Over the top love KDB gets these days. There is no one who will convince me he is what Chelsea miss. Even Salah with all his goals and Lukaku are not. Chelsea's biggest transfer errors have actually been thinking a player like Bakayoko could ever replace what a Matic gave to that team balance wise, and thinking Diego Costa's 2 time title winning abilities could only be replaced by one striker. Had they got those two transfers right, no one would be saying a thing about losing out on those 3 former Chelsea players. Even with the season's they are currently having.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
And for all the Over the top love KDB gets these days. There is no one who will convince me he is what Chelsea miss. Even Salah with all his goals and Lukaku are not. Chelsea's biggest transfer errors have actually been thinking a player like Bakayoko could ever replace what a Matic gave to that team balance wise, and thinking Diego Costa's 2 time title winning abilities could only be replaced by one striker. Had they got those two transfers right, no one would be saying a thing about losing out on those 3 former Chelsea players. Even with the season's they are currently having.
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Yep, Hazard has been the creative spark for Chelsea and has been very good at it.

Chelsea's problem positions are defensive midfield and striker.
 
In alternative reality, Conte wouldn't have sold Costa dn they would have had half the problems they currently have. However, he never got criticized the same as Mourinho for selling KDB and Salah.
 
el3mel said:
In alternative reality, Conte wouldn't have sold Costa dn they would have had half the problems they currently have. However, he never got criticized the same as Mourinho for selling KDB and Salah.
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Was Costa on the bench not getting minutes so he wanted to leave, or he played but wanted to leave anyway and even if he didnt want to leave, he was a fecking weirdo, its a character thing. Not sure its a same example.
 
R'hllor said:
Was Costa on the bench not getting minutes so he wanted to leave, or he played but wanted to leave anyway and even if he didnt want to leave, he was a fecking weirdo, its a character thing. Not sure its a same example.
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No, sending a SMS for your striker telling him to feck off before your club even succeed in getting a top striker is a very good idea.

Conte's way of selling Costa was disgraceful and led to Chelsea struggling with striker position.
 
el3mel said:
No, sending a SMS for your striker telling him to feck off before your club even succeed in getting a top striker is a very good idea.

Conte's way of selling Costa was disgraceful and led to Chelsea struggling with striker position.
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Even if all that true, Costa`s example isnt even close to Salah one.
 
R'hllor said:
Even if all that true, Costa`s example isnt even close to Salah one.
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Do you even understand my point or you just jumped up to replay with what you know anyway ? Why are people blaming Mourinho for Chelsea failure in offensive positions based on some players he sold and are now succeeding while their current manager had a top, top striker in his hands and stupidly sold him leading to all their struggling with this position and scoring ?! And Conte had zero excuses for this.
 
This is almost as tiresome as people asking us how we felt about letting Pogba go every time he did something of note for Juve.
 
el3mel said:
No, sending a SMS for your striker telling him to feck off before your club even succeed in getting a top striker is a very good idea.

Conte's way of selling Costa was disgraceful and led to Chelsea struggling with striker position.
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Your forgetting Costa barely resembled a proffesional footballer for half the season and was in the squad for the title defense that was 10 times worse than this one. He has been missed to some degree but there's also a hell of a lot of rewritting history being branded about with him.
 
Dancfc said:
Your forgetting Costa barely resembled a proffesional footballer for half the season and was in the squad for the title defense that was 10 times worse than this one. He has been missed to some degree but there's also a hell of a lot of rewritting history being branded about with him.
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There's no rewriting history. You had one of the best strikers in the league and you sold him to struggle with Morata and Giroud. More idiotically, you sold him without even securing a striker to buy.

Whatever your ways of excusing this sale, if I were a Chelsea fan I'll be ore fumming for Conte and the board for destroying the core of the team that was banging goals and walking the league last season, selling Matic and Costa to replace them with Bakayoko and Morata, not with 3 players that left ages ago and the team went on to win 2 league titles later.
 
el3mel said:
There's no rewriting history. You had one of the best strikers in the league and you sold him to struggle with Morata and Giroud. More idiotically, you sold him without even securing a striker to buy.

Whatever your ways of excusing this sale, if I were a Chelsea fan I'll be ore fumming for Conte and the board for destroying the core of the team that was banging goals and walking the league last season, selling Matic and Costa to replace them with Bakayoko and Morata, not with 3 players that left ages ago and the team went on to win 2 league titles later.
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Agree, losing Costa and Matic was a bigger issue than losing Kdb, Salah or Lukaku when they were still developing their game.
 
Didn't Costa force his way out? I remember him saying Chelsea treated him like a criminal for not letting him go. Thoroughly enjoyed the circus at the time
 
They're doing ok. They switched teams as well, therefore, it's as if they never left.
 
So, is there an alternate universe where Chelsea have Mo Salah scoring 40 odd goals a season, Lukaku with 30 odd and De Bruyne providing 20+ assists?
Glad I don’t live in that universe...
 
OldSchoolManc said:
So, is there an alternate universe where Chelsea have Mo Salah scoring 40 odd goals a season, Lukaku with 30 odd and De Bruyne providing 20+ assists?
Glad I don’t live in that universe...
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And yet people say their loan hoarding doesn't work? If you get a Lukaku and KDB every 10 years you would be doing better than almost every top club's academy. Of course you then have to hold onto them :lol:
 
el3mel said:
There's no rewriting history. You had one of the best strikers in the league and you sold him to struggle with Morata and Giroud. (...)

Whatever your ways of excusing this sale, if I were a Chelsea fan I'll be ore fumming for Conte and the board for destroying the core of the team that was banging goals and walking the league last season (...)
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The way I remember it, Costa was indeed just as bad in the second half of the 16/17 season as he was brilliant in the first. He also wanted to leave for a Chinese club in the winter, and was pissed off Chelsea didn't grant his wish.

He lit up again towards the very end of the season, especially in the FA cup final, but his second half of the season was close to being unacceptable. Add to this his erratic personality and the fact that he repeatedly didn't get sent off only through sheer luck. I also remember Chelsea fans saying these kind of problems weren't exactly new, but I can't say much about that myself.

So he wasn't just one of the best strikers in the league, he was both an asset and a massive headache. The relationship was already broken after the China affair. The situation was still handled badly by Conte and Chelsea in the summer, but it wasn't decided to part ways for no reason.
 
Hindsight is 20/20, all those who "knew" KdB was going to be world class and laugh at Chelsea for letting him go...he went to Wolfsburg with barely a challenge from any of the big clubs.

It's all about timing, not every club can hold onto players and wait for them to develop into their best version.
 
el3mel said:
There's no rewriting history. You had one of the best strikers in the league and you sold him to struggle with Morata and Giroud. More idiotically, you sold him without even securing a striker to buy.
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I know some Atletico Madrid fans who don't like much Diego Costa. Let alone the majority of people in Spain don't want him to start for them in the WC. He is better regarded in England than in Spain.
 
Kazi said:
Why is Lukaku included in this lol
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Apocalypse said:
Most likely because this thread was posted on a Man Utd forum.
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Or, you know, because he's a top class striker who is better than any striker they currently have?

Chelsea themselves tried to break their transfer record and bring him back by bidding £70m+ for him less than a year ago, remember.
 
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