You never beat Sevilla. Unlucky.
CL/EL Semi Finals Draw | Pool to face Bayern/Real in final
- Thread starter Samid
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
You never beat Sevilla. Unlucky.
Liverpool wanted Roma.
But Roma probably wanted Liverpool.
But Roma probably wanted Liverpool.
Roma revenge for '84? They say what comes around goes around... I'm hoping anyway
A Roma - Bayern final is what i hope. Is it too unrealistic at this stage?
Looks great. And a sneaky Roma win in the final hopefully.
Looks great. And a sneaky Roma win in the final hopefully.
Spurs don't win anything as usual?
The thing is, unlike Man City, Roma will actually respect Liverpool. Guardiola went to Anfield and played right into their hands, because he ultimately believes his style of football will always prevail. Whereas Liverpool are a potent attacking team, specifically on the counter attack. Man City played right into that style, got outrun, bullied physically and paid the price for Pep’s stubbornness. Roma is not that naive. They will sit back and wait for their chances, Liverpool has no one in their MID who can break a defence down, they really lack options to play through the middle and I’m not convinced they can handle Roma on the counter over the course of 90 minutes at Anfield.
Another thing to consider is the quality of opposition Roma has faced in the Champions League this year has been much higher than what Liverpool has come up against. Chelsea, Atheltico Madrid, Shakthar, Barcelona vs Man City and maybe Sevilla?(Who put 5 past Pool)
Where I think Roma will give Liverpool a lot of issues though is with their physicality. Roma are a very strong team through the middle of the park, with Dzeko, Schick, Strootman, Nainggolan, De Rossi, Fazio, & Manolas. Liverpool really outmuscled and bullied Man City in the defensive and midfield areas, can’t see that happening with Roma. Dzeko should also have an absolute field day with that CB pairing if he gets the right service.
It’s a fascinating matchup, I see it as 50/50 right now. Injuries and whatnot can obviously change that, but it should be a really intriguing tie.
Another thing to consider is the quality of opposition Roma has faced in the Champions League this year has been much higher than what Liverpool has come up against. Chelsea, Atheltico Madrid, Shakthar, Barcelona vs Man City and maybe Sevilla?(Who put 5 past Pool)
Where I think Roma will give Liverpool a lot of issues though is with their physicality. Roma are a very strong team through the middle of the park, with Dzeko, Schick, Strootman, Nainggolan, De Rossi, Fazio, & Manolas. Liverpool really outmuscled and bullied Man City in the defensive and midfield areas, can’t see that happening with Roma. Dzeko should also have an absolute field day with that CB pairing if he gets the right service.
It’s a fascinating matchup, I see it as 50/50 right now. Injuries and whatnot can obviously change that, but it should be a really intriguing tie.
Barcelona had a total of -1 counter attacks in the second leg against Roma. I can't see that happening with Liverpool. If they press Liverpool so high they will suffer in the counter attack for sure.
I am mildly happy we drew Atletico. We need to beat them to win the tournament anyway and two matches against a quality opponent at least makes things interesting.
Plus the Simeone vs. Wenger match-up should be revealing at least
Plus the Simeone vs. Wenger match-up should be revealing at least
They aren't going to press them high. The Roma manager is not so arrogant. He is an adaptive manager; he will utilize Dzeko to the fullest.
Again Bayern, on the one hand well because it is possibly my favorite European duel, but on the other hand I am not so optimistic.
I do not know if I'm more afraid of Bayern or Heynckes.
The two games are going to be a nightmare for the referee and we will have to be very careful to avoid penalties and cards.
The Madrid press has begun the "nobody has won three since the seventies", "the greatest glory", "three matches for a dream".
I wonder if that pressure will block them if the result is adverse at some point in the tie.
Playing at home or away is not so important but the feelings of the team in that particular match.
Anyway the second match at the Bernabéu can give us an extra point.
I also hope that the paid holidays to Aleksander Čeferin and the jamón ibérico that that we distribute in Nyon will help a little
I do not know if I'm more afraid of Bayern or Heynckes.
The two games are going to be a nightmare for the referee and we will have to be very careful to avoid penalties and cards.
The Madrid press has begun the "nobody has won three since the seventies", "the greatest glory", "three matches for a dream".
I wonder if that pressure will block them if the result is adverse at some point in the tie.
Playing at home or away is not so important but the feelings of the team in that particular match.
Anyway the second match at the Bernabéu can give us an extra point.
I also hope that the paid holidays to Aleksander Čeferin and the jamón ibérico that that we distribute in Nyon will help a little
Mourinho was right when he spoke of football heritage. He might have been wrong when he implied we lacked it but he was right when pointing to its influence. When it comes to the CL, Real Madrid, AC Milan and I hate myself for writing this, Liverpool do have something about them. When they have that momentum going for them and quality obviously, they just seem to have that something extra ahead of everyone else. The team might not be experienced but the club definitely is and it can make a big difference in those edgy moments where games are on the edge which is very often in those knockout games. Obviously that doesn't mean anything if you are significantly inferior quality wise but it looks like this year has no stand out teams. The scousers might actually do it.
Spot on. The fact is, no matter how shite Barca were, it is no small matter stopping Messi, Suarez and co. Roma's defense is very well organized to cope with strong attacks and they will be doubly prepared for Salah.
Also, expect them to go route one to Dzeko. Klopp hates long balls and he still hasn't been successful in countering that properly. VVD will need to be wary.
Do not forget that de Francesco is a very good coach, and while Klopp is no slouch and is experienced obviously, he is often clueless with respect to a plan B.
I expect Roma, in good form, to draw 1-1 or lose 1-0 at Anfield and beat Liverpool 2-1 or 2-0 at the Olimpico. This won't be a goalfest.
Roma has the best fullback pair and defensively most solid midfield in Serie A this season and sold Messi Salah without worsening their attack.
If they lose, its because they bottled it. Not because they can’t cope with pacy attackers.
One of Liverpool or Roma in the final. Can somebody ask our genius manager how did they get to the final despite their little heritage in this competition in the past 7 years.
Heritage!!!
What a hypocrite.
Heritage!!!
What a hypocrite.
Why not hope for Roma abd eliminate Liverpool from the picture altogether?
FWIW, Roma are the type of team who could be kryptonite to Klopp. Liverpool usually raise their game against bigger teams.
Actually Roma vs Liverpool is much balanced match then guys here think. Roma has very experienced midfield consisting of De Rossi, Naingallon, their attack has Strootman (target of many clubs Man UTD included), Cengiz Ùnder ( kid everyone is talking about) and Edin Dzeko (has been one of the best scorers in Italy for years now), their CBs are tall and dominant in the air, their keeper is also very good.
But what goes in Liverpool's favor is, Roma ain't a defensive team , they are a team which likes to play, attack and they play 4-3-3. Their CB are very slow, Sadio Mane and Salah's pace can give them lots of trouble. Roma's midfield may struggle against the energy and intensity of our midfield, Lovren vs Dzeko will be interesting. Point being they ain't kryptonite of Liverpool, Roma is proper team and they can win while playing attacking football but it can also work in Liverpool's favour.
So basically Roma vs Liverpool ain't as easy as many think, all four teams are in semi not because CL is invitational tournament but based on merit. So ruling out one team like that is very ignorant.
Also Bayern is strong enough to knock Real Madrid.
Last edited by a moderator:
In the last two finals they’ve got to they’ve had the benefit of not having to worry about competing for the league. It helps.
I agree. But that's kind of part of the point. The culture at some clubs like the ones I mentioned is just more oriented to CL success. Real Madrid won the league, CL double once since the '50s. Milan dominated European football last decade whilst in the league, they had one title. There just comes a time in the season for those clubs where no matter how well they're doing domestically, they gather enough momentum helped by being fresher and more focused obviously, to go on a brilliant CL run.
After that draw you just know the stars are aligned, scouse cnuts will actually do it.
Brace yourselves.
Brace yourselves.
I love how everyone has seemingly dismissed Roma. Good team and exactly the sort of team Liverpool tend to struggle against.
I find it hard to believe an Italian side that just turned over Barcelona in dramatic fashion would not tactically show up and be spot on against Liverpool.
Roma's midfield trio is made for a match up like this. How Roma adjust to Liverpool's transitions into attack (i.e. when possession is lost, what's the shape like, will they contain space or player first?) will be the key factor.
There will be goals so that's always fun.
Roma's midfield trio is made for a match up like this. How Roma adjust to Liverpool's transitions into attack (i.e. when possession is lost, what's the shape like, will they contain space or player first?) will be the key factor.
There will be goals so that's always fun.
I am feeling sick tbh
Rumours coming in that Roma had sent an email to ST holders on Thursday about tickets available for their match with Pool.
Correct I'm sure.
Both draws are almost 50/50's really. I'd say Liverpool and Madrid would be favored but they are tough games.
I'm bricking it about Liverpool but then I just look at their team and how they'd match up with Bayern or Madrid and that calms me. They can win a one-off game but are clearly inferior to both and it's not like any team lacks a motivation or would get over confident in a final.
Roma 10%, Liverpool 25%, Bayern 30%, Madrid 35% to win it all I'd say.
I'm bricking it about Liverpool but then I just look at their team and how they'd match up with Bayern or Madrid and that calms me. They can win a one-off game but are clearly inferior to both and it's not like any team lacks a motivation or would get over confident in a final.
Roma 10%, Liverpool 25%, Bayern 30%, Madrid 35% to win it all I'd say.
There is no easy team in UCL, Liverpool and Man UTD got the easiest groups, UTD scored more points than Liverpool in a group which was little bit more difficult than ours but Man UTD lost to Sevilla(Supposedly easy draw) which gave Bayern run for their money. Point being their is no easy team in champions league maybe on paper but on field every team give their all. How is City and Roma(which knocked barca by scoring three while conceding none in their home ground) easy draws?
Roma is a team which likes to play football, they play 4-3-3 with inverted forwards and fullbacks joining in the attacks(sounds like Liverpool going forward). They ain't defensive team as people make them to be. They haven't won away tie in CL this season while not conceding goal in CL. Your analysis of their personnel is very true but only time will tell how the tie pans out because Roma also have weaknesses which Liverpool can exploit like, their CBs don't have the pace, Roma's midfield is mature but aged, so I am not sure if they will be able to handle the relentless pressing of Liverpool.
Tie is truly 50/50 at this point but things can change between now at the first leg then between first and second leg. Also it will depend on how the managers setup their teams.
Last edited:
Which Bayern player do we reckon is gonna get a soft red then?
Jose probably meant what matters is history of the clubs in European football. If anything it proved his point considering the likes of city, psg in ucl and rb leipzig in uel got eliminated despite having very good teams.
Well he had to tell something after bowing out of the competition so pathetically. He was not going to say, my starting line-up was screwed. Or my players are all dumb a** who cant string couple of passes together
Fair point, what is Seville in comparison to Manchester united, we have both, better team and bigger history.
What's Liverpool and Roma's Eritage?
Football heritage in the way Mourinho was talking would mean Liverpool are even worse than us in recent years and have no right to expect to be where they are this season. He was talking recent years, rather than the club's history. To be honest, thought it was his way of making excuses then and still is now.
The same would also apply to Roma, Monaco last year etc.
Could be he is looking at history. Lfc have lost only one of 8 semis in the last 60 yrs
It was obvious Mourinho was talking about the last 7 years since our last final against Barcelona. I cant see Liverpool nor Roma in these past 7 years on the map of european football. It was bulls**t from our manager and I can't believe our fans fell for this.
and united has the highest number of an English club playing in a european semifinal "13 times".
Why is it apocalyptic? It would be far more dreadful for Real Madrid to win it for the third time in succession. I'd prefer Roma or Bayern to win it too but would definitely back Liverpool over Real. Besides, I believe we should show more support for an English team in an international competition rather than oppose then just because they are our local rivals.
What Mourinho was saying in the heritage speech is that United not making the quarter finals is not a tragedy. looking at what happened at the club in the last 5-7 years. The fact that Roma and Liverpool made it to the semis has nothing to do with that, in fact you could apply that ideea to them too. It wouldn't have been a disaster for either if they didn't get to the quarters. It doesn't mean that it's not possible (obviously), just that it isn't the bare minimum one should expect from them, like it is the case for Real/Barca/Bayern and maybe Juve.
Honestly Roma didn’t even deserve to go past Shakhtar. But they are a tough team, Lpool will have a much harder time against them than Bayern for example. Defensively and strategically Roma are much less vanilla and Bayern would give Lpool the space they like.
You are right. Never denied that Liverpool can beat Roma, but I spoke from Roma's perspective since too many were writing them off already.
Neither did you.
With 7 or 8 losses. United should have won one or two more under SAF
But I think it has to do with progressing. For whatever reason Liverpool seem to progress at this stage.