Day 10: Belgium vs Tunisia, South Korea vs Mexico and Germany vs Sweden

Brwned said:
I find that such a weird position to take. Every single attacker bar Brandt has looked supbar so it's entirely conceivable that Sane would be an improvement. He might not be - that's conceivable too. But it's odd that so many German fans have decided to dismiss the possibility that he might actually be useful altogether. Dismissing the idea of him being your savour seems totally reasonable, dismissing the idea he'd be useful is just toeing the line.
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Man, it just makes no sense anymore to even talk about it. We all don't know "what if...". Maybe he would feck up big time and everyone would be complaining about leaving any other player out for him. Who knows?

It just makes no sense at all. Weird discussion. He's not there, that's it. Most of the german supporters are fine with it now.
 
OutlawGER said:
Man, it just makes no sense anymore to even talk about it. We all don't know "what if...". Maybe he would feck up big time and everyone would be complaining about leaving any other player out for him. Who knows?

It just makes no sense at all. Weird discussion. He's not there, that's it. Most of the german supporters are fine with it now.
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Sane should have been there after the season he had. German supporters know better than me so if they are fine with that than I'm no one to question. Talking from a neutral pov, Sane should have been there.
 
That group was gold, I still remember Raju hacking someone's account to prove a point and obviously Micky.

Edit - that is to Hasan for that OFB thingy.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
This man knew.
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Was thinking Mexico, Belgium and Germany would be winning convincingly though, especially the latter two (Belgium did).

If Germany are serious they should be pounding Sweden by 3/4 goals! No chance they’ll win it.

13 goals though, best day of football so far for me
 
Kevin said:
Because I was quoting someone whose post contained "Brazil haven't been great but they did beat Germany away in a friendly in March. We've seen in this WC friendlies have actually been an indicator of Germany's level" (and which I eplicitly bolded and reacted to)? I disagreed with that part and pointed out the flaw in that logic.

Not sure why you waded into this without knowing why I wrote it and what I was reacting to.
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Trapp - Kimmich, Boateng, Rüdiger, Plattenhardt - Gündogan, Kroos - Goretzka, Draxler, Sane - Gomez. If Sane somehow sneaks himself into the squad and Löw has a stroke maybe he can line the team anywhere close to the way he did in in March and give that 1-0 win some significance.
 
I've finally decided i wanted germany to go out afterall. So once again, feck Sweden. Hope IKEA goes bankrupt :devil:
 
Glad Germany won that. Hopefully they go through. Don't understand why people were desperate for them to go out. We want the best teams (or best teams on paper anyway) to progress the the latter stages of the tournament.

Hopefully they can do it in the last game now.
 
Kapardin said:
Sure, I am not saying he isn't a dedicated supporter. I guess its' because I would feel strange waving the flags of another country with pride, something doesn't seem natural to me there. It isn't a club color. But I respect his dedication, each to his own as I said.



Cool. From my perspective, I will support India if they ever make it to a WC, or I am just watching the WC as a neutral. There isn't a necessity for me to support any particular team to enjoy the tournament.
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Again, I'm surprised you would think this way with the amount of flag waving in India for Argentina and Brazil. Frankly, I'm surprised that you are surprised because I know you are from chennai.

@hasanejaz88 I'm not sure if you remember me but I'm Stanley. I always thought you and Harris were involved a lot with that setup. Best wishes to him.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Again, I'm surprised you would think this way with the amount of flag waving in India for Argentina and Brazil. Frankly, I'm surprised that you are surprised because I know you are from chennai.

Hasan, I'm not sure if you remember me but I'm Stanley
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This is the first world cup I am watching while staying in India, and I never knew this whole supporting another country issue was such a big thing here until now.

I am aware of this , and I have been rather surprised by it. Doesn't make me change my ideas on it though, frankly it is a bit cringe in my opinion when someone here proudly waves a Brazil or Argentina flag. But like I said, to each his own.
 
Kapardin said:
This is the first world cup I am watching while staying in India, and I never knew this whole supporting another country issue was such a big thing here until now.

I am aware of this , and I have been rather surprised by it. Doesn't make me change my ideas on it though, frankly it is a bit cringe in my opinion when someone here proudly waves a Brazil or Argentina flag. But like I said, to each his own.
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Again, to each his own but I'm only surprised that you find this idea strange but literally this is the way of life for 90 percent of Indian football fans. For what it's worth, fans from mancManche find the idea of out of town supporters strange as well. Maybe you watching from India for the first time makes it better because I've always been accustomed to fans who actively root for other countries in India and frankly, I was one of them as well
 
fishfingers15 said:
Again, to each his own but I'm only surprised that you find this idea strange but literally this is the way of life for 90 percent of Indian football fans. For what it's worth, fans from mancManche find the idea of out of town supporters strange as well. Maybe you watching from India for the first time makes it better because I've always been accustomed to fans who actively root for other countries in India and frankly, I was one of them as well
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Of course some do. I'd find it hard to support a club I don't relate to, for example a club like Barca where Catalan pride is intricately woven into the culture of the club (me neither being Catalan, nor caring about their independence or lack thereof). But ultimately clubs (and some more so) are far more global despite having a local root and they play for their fans, so isn't a problem for me, and I really don't care if local fans think I am not a true supporter. United have a Portuguese manager, and players from every part of the globe. Also United, for instance, is not representing England's national pride in the Champions League, it is representing only what is Manchester United.

But a country you have never been in, nor have a connection with its' people, and when the said country's national team plays for their countrymen only and not for foreigners who claim to support that country's team, to me it seems strange. But I suppose I am in a minority, and my opinions don't matter to those who support another country either.
 
RoyH1 said:
Sweden in trouble now. They have to win against Mexico and they're not exactly geared as a team to bring the game to the opponent. If they don't score quickly the pressure is going to pile up and those fast Mexican forwards are going to give them trouble.
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Mexico win the group with a draw, so most likely they'll be the team on the counter. The Swedish defenders don't look that fast tbh. Mexico will give them alot of trouble as you said.
 
Unbelievable. I'm crying with tears of joy. Just came back from the stadium and we were all convinced that Germany is going to go out and Toni Kroos scored right at the death! To see and experience this live right before you is something that no words can describe. It is such an emotional and electrifying night in Sochi.

Now let's go for the win against South Korea in Kazan on 27 June! At least Germany's destiny is in their own hands now. The funny thing is after all that has happened, Germany could still win the group if they beat South Korea by 2 goals and Sweden beat Mexico 2-1 or more goals which is plausible. Don't care anyway. All I want is for Germany to get out of the group as that's where they will become tournament Germany. Germany vs Brazil in the last 16 is going to be one hell of a match.
 
With a man advantage on the pitch, why didn't Sweden post a player on the far post for the free kick?

Amazing goal nonetheless. I was at a Buffalo Wild Wings in Georgia and the place went nuts after that goal.
 
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Muller needs to be in the bench in the next game. He was never the most technical of players, but he had great awareness and goal scoring instinct. Now he’s slow and predictable. Germany could do better than him
 
Surprised by Germany’s lack of finishing. They had a bunch of chances today and v Mexico before they finally scored.
Wonder if Gotze could have been an option if they selected him.
 
LennonNL said:
Was thinking Mexico, Belgium and Germany would be winning convincingly though, especially the latter two (Belgium did).

If Germany are serious they should be pounding Sweden by 3/4 goals! No chance they’ll win it.

13 goals though, best day of football so far for me
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To be fair Sweden are a tough team to play. As Neville said they not great to watch but efficient at what they do.

They also had not lost a group stage game since Italia 90. They played in three world cups not including this one since then. So they notoriously a tough team to face.
 
Will be a nervy, entertaining finish in Group F.

Should Germany and Sweden win there would be three sides on six points. Would then come down to goal differential...

Germany and Sweden wins by one goal would see those three sides on +1 GD. Would then come down to goals scored...

But if Germany and Sweden win by +1 then all three sides will be equal on goals scored. Would then come down to disciplinary record...

Germany is on 5 pts (2 Y, 1 R)
Sweden is on 3 pts (3 Y)
Mexico is on 2 pts (2 Y)
This favors Mexico and Sweden barring what happens on the third matchday.

But Korea could throw a monkey wrench into all of this with a shock win over Germany, and should Sweden lose, there would be a tie-breaker to see who finished second.
 
Phil said:
:rolleyes: No connection at all between the two, got it.
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Not really. The problem isn't the tech, but the (lack of) implementation. VAR is a good and necessary thing IMO. If some referees choose to ignore it they should be removed.
 
LennonNL said:
Was thinking Mexico, Belgium and Germany would be winning convincingly though, especially the latter two (Belgium did).

If Germany are serious they should be pounding Sweden by 3/4 goals! No chance they’ll win it.

13 goals though, best day of football so far for me
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I agree Germany won't win the WC. But nobody trashes this Sweden

They kicked out NL and Italy. Both have bad generations of players, but still much more quality than Sweden
 
MrMarcello said:
Will be a nervy, entertaining finish in Group F.

Should Germany and Sweden win there would be three sides on six points. Would then come down to goal differential...

Germany and Sweden wins by one goal would see those three sides on +1 GD. Would then come down to goals scored...

But if Germany and Sweden win by +1 then all three sides will be equal on goals scored. Would then come down to disciplinary record...

Germany is on 5 pts (2 Y, 1 R)
Sweden is on 3 pts (3 Y)
Mexico is on 2 pts (2 Y)
This favors Mexico and Sweden barring what happens on the third matchday.

But Korea could throw a monkey wrench into all of this with a shock win over Germany, and should Sweden lose, there would be a tie-breaker to see who finished second.
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If point and GD/GS are equal, they'd omit Korea (and results vs them) from the table and compare GD/GS in h2h matches between the three. As an example if both remaining matches end 1-0, Germany and Sweden will advance due to better GS than Mexico (in h2h between the three), YC and RCs will prolly decide the group winner between Germany and Sweden.
 
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whatwha said:
Not really. The problem isn't the tech, but the (lack of) implementation. VAR is a good and necessary thing IMO. If some referees choose to ignore it they should be removed.
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Yeah agree. The process and implementation is a shitshow still. I do like VAR but it's all connected to me.
 
MrMarcello said:
Will be a nervy, entertaining finish in Group F.

Should Germany and Sweden win there would be three sides on six points. Would then come down to goal differential...

Germany and Sweden wins by one goal would see those three sides on +1 GD. Would then come down to goals scored...

But if Germany and Sweden win by +1 then all three sides will be equal on goals scored. Would then come down to disciplinary record...

Germany is on 5 pts (2 Y, 1 R)
Sweden is on 3 pts (3 Y)
Mexico is on 2 pts (2 Y)
This favors Mexico and Sweden barring what happens on the third matchday.

But Korea could throw a monkey wrench into all of this with a shock win over Germany, and should Sweden lose, there would be a tie-breaker to see who finished second.
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You're almost right. If we all three end up on the same points (Mexico, Sweden, Germany), with identical GD and goals scored, individual meetings between all three are counted. All three would have a win each when discounting the South Korea matches.

However, Sweden would have more goals scored in the individual meetings since both Mexico and themselves scored 1 against Germany. Germany(2 goals scored against Sweden and Mexico) will go through if they win by one goal against South Korea, unless Sweden beat Mexico 3-2. Then Germany need to beat South Korea by two goals go through as group winners on group table goal difference.
 
MVBDX said:
If point and GD/GS are equal, they'd omit Korea (and results vs them) from the table and compare GD/GS in h2h matches between the three. As an example if both remaining matches end 1-0, Germany followed by Sweden will advance due to better GS than Mexico (in h2h between the three), not the YC and RCs.
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Beat me to it!

In order to guarantee going through Sweden have to win, Mexico have to draw, Germany have to win by two. The blessing in disguise of today´s late goals from a Swedish point of view, is that without Son's late consolation goal we'd have to win by two or better Germany's result to go through.
 
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