Neymar Jr | PSG | 2017/2018 performances

Enigma_87 said:
He's more entertaining than Robinho and obviously a better footballer, but still I don't trust him when the chips are down. Sure he has glimpses here and there but still his ego is holding him back to reach Ronaldo/Messi levels..

26 now, yet seems less mature than 2 years before. If he would've stayed at Barca he'd be more disciplined.
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Nah, Barca was stale and after reading Zlatan's book, I don't think continuing in the Messi ruled club would have been any more positive.

In hindsight, the best play would have been City tbh and coached by Pep. I know Pep gets a lot of stick on here but he would have been the best coach for Neymar's development currently IMO
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
Nah, Barca was stale and after reading Zlatan's book, I don't think continuing in the Messi ruled club would have been any more positive.

In hindsight, the best play would have been City tbh and coached by Pep. I know Pep gets a lot of stick on here but he would have been the best coach for Neymar's development currently IMO
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Neymar doesn't wanna play under a strict coach that would put the team ahead of him achieving his stardom. It would have imploded funnily over time
 
Going to PSG was an awful move for him career wise, but it's the only move that could have stroked his ego.

He wants to be treated above a club and its components.

And PSG have bent over backwards to give him that.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
Going to PSG was an awful move for him career wise, but it's the only move that could have stroked his ego.

He wants to be treated above a club and its components.

And PSG have bent over backwards to give him that.
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That is not true he had been tearing it up at PSG until the injury. It was a very good move especially because now he is in prime position to go to Madrid
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
Nah, Barca was stale and after reading Zlatan's book, I don't think continuing in the Messi ruled club would have been any more positive.

In hindsight, the best play would have been City tbh and coached by Pep. I know Pep gets a lot of stick on here but he would have been the best coach for Neymar's development currently IMO
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Neymar needs someone to keep him grounded. Even if that means being in Messi's shadow for a while. His antics since he moved to Paris are generally a lot worse. The bust up with Cavani was telling. You won't imagine him doing that at Barca, Messi or not.

It is cultural thing as well. Considering how the lifestyle changes for all Brazilian forwards with time and fame it's unlikely to get any better as well. Pep might have been good for him agreed, Jose as well or some other manager who could at least ooze some respect to him. Emery was an awful fit in that respect.
 
shamans said:
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That is not true he had been tearing it up at PSG until the injury. It was a very good move especially because now he is in prime position to go to Madrid
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I don't think Madrid will even be interested in buying him for the price he'd cost, he might have to stay in Paris for longer than he was expecting to.
 
Peyroteo said:
I don't think Madrid will even be interested in buying him for the price he'd cost, he might have to stay in Paris for longer than he was expecting to.
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I think Madrid(Florentino) are totally obsessed with Neymar. I would even say that the signing of Alisson is focused on surrounding Neymar of Brazilians
 
shamans said:
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That is not true he had been tearing it up at PSG until the injury. It was a very good move especially because now he is in prime position to go to Madrid
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I didn't say he had a bad season. He was tearing it up.

If he does end up going to Real, then the move will have paid off.
 
carvajal said:
I think Madrid(Florentino) are totally obsessed with Neymar. I would even say that the signing of Alisson is focused on surrounding Neymar of Brazilians
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I think this World Cup will change his mind, Neymar would cost about 300 million and he's not worth it. I think it would turn into a disaster.

Allison isn't as good as Navas by the way. That would be a bad move.
 
Overrated player and will never ever live up to the hype or put up numbers anything close to Messi or Ronaldo. PSG move showed his stupidity and lack of desire. If it was a gateway to a Madrid move then that changes things a little, but I still feel he'd flatter to deceive there as well.
 
People are overreacting to his first 3 real games after a Jones fracture and 3 months without being able to step on the floor.

You cannot judge him right now. Most of the issues people are saying about him (showboating, low efficiency) were already put behind like 3 years ago. His numbers are staggering in PSG and he is always efficient and dangerous. Wait at least 3 or 4 months when he is healthy again to judge him.
 
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the_irish123 said:
People are overreacting to his first 3 real games after a Jones fracture and 3 months without being able to step on the floor.

You cannot judge him right now. Most of the issues people are saying about him (showboating, low efficiency) were already put behind like 3 years ago. His numbers are staggering in PSG and he is always efficient and dangerous. Wait at least 3 or 4 months when he is healthy again to judge him.
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maybe you're right but the problem is that he is considered as contending for Baloon d'or but he's not doing enough to labeled as such player to comfortably take over Ronaldo and Messi. I can't say I watched him last season but last WC he was comfortably their best player, hard to judge player in a poor french league..
 
People may not like how he is doing it but, his ability to draw a lot of fouls is a valuable skill. Neymar has brought a ton of value doing that.
 
I find it difficult to watch him play sometimes. The diving, playacting, constant whining, the entitlement attitude towards his opponents and even his own teammates at times...it gets too much for me. Most of the time I am one to look past all that stuff when it comes to enjoying footballing talent and skill, I can block it out of my head. But he really sucks all the fun of watching football sometimes. I don't know but It doesn't feel like a healthy environment when he's around. Maybe it's just me but I can't remember feeling this way watching all the past legends.
 
the_irish123 said:
People are overreacting to his first 3 real games after a Jones fracture and 3 months without being able to step on the floor.

You cannot judge him right now. Most of the issues people are saying about him (showboating, low efficiency) were already put behind like 3 years ago. His numbers are staggering in PSG and he is always efficient and dangerous. Wait at least 3 or 4 months when he is healthy again to judge him.
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Not really. Just normal. Cavani is on goal per game there, Ibra was goal per game. The numbers are just as normal considering he's the main dog there.

PSG create an awful amount of chances(he does also of course) and the difference in quality between PSG and the rest is staggering at this point.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Not really. Just normal. Cavani is on goal per game there, Ibra was goal per game. The numbers are just as normal considering he's the main dog there.

PSG create an awful amount of chances(he does also of course) and the difference in quality between PSG and the rest is staggering at this point.
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It's not normal.

In League + CL + domestic cup
28 games - 27 goals and 16 assists. That 43 goals and assists in 28 games.

His mins per Goal+Assists in 58 mins, that's just a brilliant record.
 
roonster09 said:
It's not normal.

In League + CL + domestic cup
28 games - 27 goals and 16 assists. That 43 goals and assists in 28 games.

His mins per Goal+Assists in 58 mins, that's just a brilliant record.
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Wiki say he had 63 goals in 128 games for Barca then he joins PSG and immediately has a record like that.
It doesn't add up.
It seems if you join PSG you become a goal a game player! Neymar is just the best player to drop down a league to do it.
 
roonster09 said:
It's not normal.

In League + CL + domestic cup
28 games - 27 goals and 16 assists. That 43 goals and assists in 28 games.

His mins per Goal+Assists in 58 mins, that's just a brilliant record.
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Cavani has 40 goals and 7 assists, a goal/assist every 69 minutes, which isn't much worse (and he actually played more games). It has more to do with the quality of PSG compared to the other teams in the league.
 
roonster09 said:
It's not normal.

In League + CL + domestic cup
28 games - 27 goals and 16 assists. That 43 goals and assists in 28 games.

His mins per Goal+Assists in 58 mins, that's just a brilliant record.
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Cavani is 76 mins per Goal+Assists in 2 years in a row. 52 and 54 in 3900/4100 mins and he's not even the top dog there..

Ibra was 60 and 64 mins per goals/assists in the last 2 out of 3 seasons at PSG(was mainly injured in the other one).

Both in larger samples - playing usually close to 1000 mins more than Neymar (granted due to injury) those years.

For example last year at Barca Neymar had 84 mins per Goals/Assists when he played close to 4000 mins. Again at a dominating team, but not the focal point.
 
cyberman said:
Wiki say he had 63 goals in 128 games for Barca then he joins PSG and immediately has a record like that.
It doesn't add up.
It seems if you join PSG you become a goal a game player! Neymar is just the best player to drop down a league to do it.
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That's just league goals.

In his Barca career (league plus CL), he has played total 13432 mins, 89 goals and 53 assists, that goal or assist every 94 mins.
 
Revan said:
Cavani has 40 goals and 7 assists, a goal/assist every 69 minutes, which isn't much worse (and he actually played more games). It has more to do with the quality of PSG compared to the other teams in the league.
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The post I replied said 1 goal per game is normal but Neymar averaged more than that. I haven't checked others though, will check later.
 
roonster09 said:
That's just league goals.

In his Barca career (league plus CL), he has played total 13432 mins, 89 goals and 53 assists, that goal or assist every 94 mins.
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But he went from 1 in 2 in La Liga to a goal every 94 minutes in France.
That leap itself is a bit too comical.
It seems he's only played 20 league games for PSG as well (per Wiki)
God knows what he'd have if he didn't pick and choose which games to play lol
 
Enigma_87 said:
Cavani is 76 mins per Goal+Assists in 2 years in a row. 52 and 54 in 3900/4100 mins and he's not even the top dog there..

Ibra was 60 and 64 mins per goals/assists in the last 2 out of 3 seasons at PSG(was mainly injured in the other one).

Both in larger samples - playing usually close to 1000 mins more than Neymar (granted due to injury) those years.

For example last year at Barca Neymar had 84 mins per Goals/Assists when he played close to 4000 mins. Again at a dominating team, but not the focal point.
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Yeah Cavani averages 76 mins, Neymar averages 55-58 mins, that's a big difference isnt it?

Yeah Neymar obviously averages better mins per goal in French league, my post was in reply to your post saying 1 goal per game is normal but Neymar's was much better than 1 goal per game. I didn't check Cavani's record at that time.
 
roonster09 said:
That's just league goals.

In his Barca career (league plus CL), he has played total 13432 mins, 89 goals and 53 assists, that goal or assist every 94 mins.
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According to transfermarkd he has played 15342 in all tournaments, scoring 105 and assisting 78. Or goal/assist every 83 mins.

If we compare him to Luis Suarez tho - the latter has played 17 047 mins in all comps, scoring 152 goals and assisting 84. Or goal/assist every 72 mins.

Generally he was overshadowed by both Suarez and Messi at Barca. You could say he was younger and all, but Suarez is also on the wane the last season or so.
 
cyberman said:
But he went from 1 in 2 in La Liga to a goal every 94 minutes in France.
That leap itself is a bit too comical.
It seems he's only played 20 league games for PSG as well (per Wiki)
God knows what he'd have if he didn't pick and choose which games to play lol
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Yeah, I don't know what that has to do with the post I made. Obviously he is playing in weaker league but his numbers are just brilliant. 32 goals and assists in 20 league games.
 
roonster09 said:
Yeah Cavani averages 76 mins, Neymar averages 55-58 mins, that's a big difference isnt it?

Yeah Neymar obviously averages better mins per goal in French league, my post was in reply to your post saying 1 goal per game is normal but Neymar's was much better than 1 goal per game. I didn't check Cavani's record at that time.
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Not when you compare him with Ibra tho. Ibra averaged 60 mins per goal/assist. It's a lot different when you are the top dog(Ibra) and sidekick(Cavani). At Barca Neymar was the sidekick and usually put less figures than either Messi and Suarez.

Of course the figures alone are great and here we're really nitpicking but depend on where and how you rate Neymar. Obviously he'll shit all over our attacking options but compared to the Messi's and Ronaldo's he is still falling quite short.
 
Enigma_87 said:
According to transfermarkd he has played 15342 in all tournaments, scoring 105 and assisting 78. Or goal/assist every 83 mins.

If we compare him to Luis Suarez tho - the latter has played 17 047 mins in all comps, scoring 152 goals and assisting 84. Or goal/assist every 72 mins.

Generally he was overshadowed by both Suarez and Messi at Barca. You could say he was younger and all, but Suarez is also on the wane the last season or so.
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Suarez was CF for Barca, Neymar played supporting role. It's not surprising that Suarez's number was better.
 
roonster09 said:
Suarez was CF for Barca, Neymar played supporting role. It's not surprising that Suarez's number was better.
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Exactly... The same could be told about Cavani, Zlatan...

If we take the best scorers in La Liga 2015-16 La Liga, we see:

Rank Player Club Goals
1 Luis Suárez Barcelona 40
2 Cristiano Ronaldo Real Madrid 35
3 Lionel Messi Barcelona 26
4 Neymar Barcelona 24
Karim Benzema Real Madrid
6 Antoine Griezmann Atlético Madrid 22
7 Aritz Aduriz Athletic Bilbao 20
8 Gareth Bale Real Madrid 19
Rubén Castro Real Betis
10 Borja Bastón Eibar 18
11 Lucas Pérez Deportivo 17

So, saying Neymar scores thanks to the French league is very stupid
 
roonster09 said:
Suarez was CF for Barca, Neymar played supporting role. It's not surprising that Suarez's number was better.
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It was quite a fluid front three. And Suarez not only put up better scoring numbers but he had more assists than Neymar. 85 compared to 78 in generally what you'd call close sample size.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Not when you compare him with Ibra tho. Ibra averaged 60 mins per goal/assist. It's a lot different when you are the top dog(Ibra) and sidekick(Cavani). At Barca Neymar was the sidekick and usually put less figures than either Messi and Suarez.

Of course the figures alone are great and here we're really nitpicking but depend on where and how you rate Neymar. Obviously he'll shit all over our attacking options but compared to the Messi's and Ronaldo's he is still falling quite short.
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Zlatan in his PSG career (league + CL) averaged 81 mins per G+A.

Even in the league, only in his last season he had 50 mins per G+A, rest all season it was 74-81.
 
Enigma_87 said:
It was quite a fluid front three. And Suarez not only put up better scoring numbers but he had more assists than Neymar. 85 compared to 78 in generally what you'd call close sample size.
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Of course, you don't mention the fact that Luis Suarez played more games in the period you consider...
 
Enigma_87 said:
It was quite a fluid front three. And Suarez not only put up better scoring numbers but he had more assists than Neymar. 85 compared to 78 in generally what you'd call close sample size.
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Suarez plays closer to goal, which gives him more advantage isn't it? You are comparing a wide attacker to CF.

Also Suarez was at his peak, Neymar was still improving every season.

Not even sure where we are going with this, obviously Neymar's numbers are much better now than when he was playing in La Liga. Suarez had better numbers as he was the CF.

Neymar's average is better than Cavani, Zlatan or anyone in the league.
 
roonster09 said:
Zlatan in his PSG career (league + CL) averaged 81 mins per G+A.

Even in the league, only in his last season he had 50 mins per G+A, rest all season it was 74-81.
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Sure, but you also have to consider Zlatan being well in his 30's during that time, whilst Neymar should be at his peak now physically.
 
Enigma_87 said:
I did actually, 2000 mins more and still managed 10 mins less per goal/assist.
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Barcelona was the 1st club in Europe for Neymar, which explained his average 1st season...

So, a comparison with Luis Suarez that makes sense will ignore that 2013/14 season...

Once again, Luis Suarez, Zlatan and Cavani are CF...while Neymar is a kind of left-winger

It's easy to play with numbers to suit your agenda.
 
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