Let's all Laugh at England

mariachi-19 said:
You’re being laughed at... nobody gives a flying feck about the English football team or their deluded fans. You’ve been the overrated laughing stock of world football for the past 52 years.

You literally had a generation of world class players in every position (bar keeper) and completely fecked it, and this World Cup, had the easiest possible route to a final you’re ever likely to have, and fecked that too. All the while crapping on about “football coming home”. England fans are literally the Liverpool fans of world football.

Perhaps if your lot didn’t take themselves so seriously you might actually get some respect.
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Only a few of our fans are 'deluded' - the vast majority took up the 'football's coming home' song in a tongue-in-cheek way. What started off as ironic started to look like a reality when we reached the semis, even then, nobody really rates this team as world beaters, if anything, we're just proud that such an inexperienced team got so far in the tournament. We lost to a better side today and most of us are happy with our lot.

Your post sounds very bitter, we've certainly never been the 'laughing stock' of world football.
 
mariachi-19 said:
You’re being laughed at... nobody gives a flying feck about the English football team or their deluded fans. You’ve been the overrated laughing stock of world football for the past 52 years.

You literally had a generation of world class players in every position (bar keeper) and completely fecked it, and this World Cup, had the easiest possible route to a final you’re ever likely to have, and fecked that too. All the while crapping on about “football coming home”. England fans are literally the Liverpool fans of world football.

Perhaps if your lot didn’t take themselves so seriously you might actually get some respect.
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Everyone knows that the "It's coming home" song is a tongue in cheek reference to how England have been rubbish in the past. The song is literally about that, it's banter. You say England fans take themselves so seriously, which is the most ignorant part of your post. The songs, the jokes, the banter is literally about how bad the team has been in the past. Compare that to fans of other teams with a massive sense of entitlement and overinflated egos. Fans of teams like Brazil for example.

You say England had a generation of world class players in every position, which isn't exactly true. They were very good players, but not world class. World class in 2006 would be Pirlo, Henry, Zidane. England had Peter Crouch, Hargreaves, Joe Cole, Sol Campbell amongst others. Good yes, but not world class.

The other thing you probably have never realised is how hard winning the World Cup actually is. Only 8 teams have managed to do it. Other countries like the Netherlands and Sweden have come close. But only those 8 teams have done it. And only 5 teams have won it more than once. Only two European teams have won the World Cup more than once. That will make you understand how hard it is to win the World Cup.
 
stevoc said:
Fair play to the English lads that are taking this nonsense in good spirit. Bad luck tonight.

No surprise though that a few are throwing hissy fits, and wheeling out the usual diatribe about ''If you support an English club you shouldn't criticise the England team'', glory hunters, not real United fans. Some cringy stuff, hopefully it's only drunk posting and they'll regret it tomorrow.
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I'll take the fair plays and return with good spirits my man.

We had a dream run, went further than anyone envisioned and now exit the world cup with good will and not a Man United playing scapegoat in sight. Good times!

The energy levels of this Croatia team is insane, I'm super impressed. Deservedly losing to a team who in Mandzukic, Modric and Perisic possessed probably the only great attacking players our defence faced all tournament is fine with me. Onwards and hopefully upwards.

Regarding the so-called diatribe, my eyeballs are telling me that it's a case of some posters being put out more so by the incessant hate that the England National team has attracted rather than just 'criticism.' I don't see the majority of posters implying that as Manchester United supporters you have to cheer for England, but rather calling out non-Tunisians/Panamanians/Belgians/Colombians/Swedes/Croats as haters.

In my opinion, the real cringe are the posters who have lurked in the England match-day/let's all laugh at/easy side of the draw threads for two weeks plus with no nationalist or real vested interest in either the England team or the nationality of their opposition and yet have racked up more posts than Karius fumbles.

I get banter, I've had a fair amount messaged/shared/texted my way in the last few hours. Mostly by Aussies or Americans who aren't card-carrying supporters of any English club team. It's fine and I give it back just as much. I just don't understand posters who do it incessantly to fellow supporters of an English football club they obviously care about enough to share a forum with.

I'm English, I'm also a pretty rabid basketball fan, and I support the Brooklyn Nets (yes, it's as miserable as you think.) I'm not American and I don't live in Brooklyn anymore - but just like United, these teams have worldwide support. I can't imagine a scenario where I'd be willing on the U.S Men's basetball team to lose (unless they played England,) and then posting about how great it made me feel. Throw in a couple of my Nets players into the National team and it just seems especially dumb. I just can't see how club support lives in a vacumn, isolated from the foundations and the Country in which it was founded.

Apologies for the long post. Just my thoughts about it.
 
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Nikhil said:
You say England had a generation of world class players in every position, which isn't exactly true. They were very good players, but not world class. World class in 2006 would be Pirlo, Henry, Zidane. England had Peter Crouch, Hargreaves, Joe Cole, Sol Campbell amongst others. Good yes, but not world class.
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England 2006 was like Belgium today, meaning a great team whom we could expect to reach a semi-final (quarter-final being the bare minimum), but there were still better teams out there and they were not the favourites to win it all.
 
trafford1980 said:
I'm English, I'm also a pretty rabid basketball fan, and I support the Brooklyn Nets (yes, it's as miserable as you think.) I'm not American and I don't live in Brooklyn anymore - but just like United, these teams have worldwide support. I can't imagine a scenario where I'd be willing on the U.S Men's basetball team to lose (unless they played England,) and then posting about how great it made me feel.
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what if, and this is completely hypothetical and unrealistic, americans were being obnoxious and annoying and making up stupid lines that they constantly say
 
Quite frankly England even overachieved my best expectations, I thought they were QF potential, they just lack the midfield constructor, someone who controls the game with the ball, instead starting to run furiously with the ball.

They are already contenders for 2020, this new generation of players will solve that midfield problem, and then when you have players like Sessegnon, Foden, Sancho, Mount coming and others there is no reason to be ashamed, they are on a upward trend, they will be better in 2020, even if that doesn't guarantee a title, after all this are knock out tournaments.
 
This thread should be in the classics. Heads well and truly gone.:lol:

Had forgotten how fun it is when England go out in the latter stages after initially having some hope. 2014 was dull by comparison.
 
Cheesy said:
This thread should be in the classics. Heads well and truly gone.:lol:

Had forgotten how fun it is when England go out in the latter stages after initially having some hope. 2014 was dull by comparison.
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The day they start to win I can see the Scots, Irish and Welsh having a bigger meltdown than the rest of Europe, this makes jokes between Portugal and Spain look like kids stuff. :lol:
 
Cheesy said:
This thread should be in the classics. Heads well and truly gone.:lol:

Had forgotten how fun it is when England go out in the latter stages after initially having some hope. 2014 was dull by comparison.
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I am quite neutral in the whole thing but watching the English fan meltdown is hilarious :lol: Again I am by no means a hater of English football but I just cannot help laughing from its coming home to the weird praise after a defeat.
 
Bottled it when it matters, that's what happen when you have too many spurs player in the team. :lol::lol:
 
Eboue said:
what if, and this is completely hypothetical and unrealistic, americans were being obnoxious and annoying and making up stupid lines that they constantly say
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It wouldn't change my thoughts. What a few people say wouldn't lead to an opinion change on my behalf. I'm too old to get annoyed by memes. Plus, you do know that a large amount of the spruikers are doing it for a laugh? Sure, there are kids who have adopted it as a nationalistic call-to-action but he majority of Englishmen who laugh at, share and shout out the phrase "IT'S COMING HOME!' aren't smugly proclaiming the inevitability of a world cup win. They're more half-willing it into actualisation, tongue-in-cheek. It was written to spark optimism for Euro '96, which took place in... England. It's just a shared joke amongst the long-suffering English support.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
You’ve said nobody looks at England with any envy - potential true of course, but let’s find out the country of origin this statement comes from?

Clearly there are lots of countries in the world that would love to reach the semi finals of the World Cup?
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I still wanted to be croats. Or france. But not england. Lol
 
RedChisel said:
If this is the level of ridicule you receive for reaching a semi final I dread to think what it would have been like If we didn't make it out the group or got beat on pens by Colombia. We really are despised the world over aren't we.
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Personally. Honestly. I have nothing against england. Used to support them back in those days.

But the arrogance of england pers really got me and most of my mates in indonesia, if you wanna know where i came from.

There are lots of good teams, france Belgium croatia to name a few, nobody harping about it's coming home after 1 good match against Panama. The way your pers drums up football is coming home, it's coming home, and how southgate is the second coming of bobby charlton. For that alone I'd love it if you dont win it, cant imagine the smugness if you really win the whole thing.

Kinda like i cant stand the scouse if they won the championscup.

This england team is the most likeable in decades but you lot still to make them loathable to support.
 
RedChisel said:
If this is the level of ridicule you receive for reaching a semi final I dread to think what it would have been like If we didn't make it out the group or got beat on pens by Colombia. We really are despised the world over aren't we.
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Just out of curiosity, as an englishman, why do you think that is?
 
Sky1981 said:
Personally. Honestly. I have nothing against england. Used to support them back in those days.

But the arrogance of england pers really got me and most of my mates in indonesia, if you wanna know where i came from.

There are lots of good teams, france Belgium croatia to name a few, nobody harping about it's coming home after 1 good match against Panama. The way your pers drums up football is coming home, it's coming home, and how southgate is the second coming of bobby charlton. For that alone I'd love it if you dont win it, cant imagine the smugness if you really win the whole thing.
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For some reason I have a feeling we won't win it.

As for the "it's coming home stuff", it's a catchy song and the fact you think we are arrogant for saying it means you nothing about the mindset of England fans these days.
 
Eboue said:
what if, and this is completely hypothetical and unrealistic, americans were being obnoxious and annoying and making up stupid lines that they constantly say
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Have you watched any Premier League games? Half of the noise that comes from the crowd is obnoxious annoying stupid lines that they constantly say.
 
Tony Babangida said:
For some reason I have a feeling we won't win it.

As for the "it's coming home stuff", it's a catchy song and the fact you think we are arrogant for saying it means you nothing about the mindset of England fans these days.
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Oh i know its just a banter. I've been in this forum long enough to know. But still to some part of the world, and the social media it's still more arrogant than any other nation.
 
luke511 said:
Heavily overrating Croatia buddy.
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Croatia might have a easy path like England but they did beat Argentina. Argentina might be over-rated in this tournament but it is still Argentina. Beside, Croatia can keep the ball and pass it around like a proper football team, and know how to break down a bus and coming from behind.
 
17 Van der Gouw said:
Only a few of our fans are 'deluded' - the vast majority took up the 'football's coming home' song in a tongue-in-cheek way. What started off as ironic started to look like a reality when we reached the semis, even then, nobody really rates this team as world beaters, if anything, we're just proud that such an inexperienced team got so far in the tournament. We lost to a better side today and most of us are happy with our lot.

Your post sounds very bitter, we've certainly never been the 'laughing stock' of world football.
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For a change I stand by our English fans here. I believe majority of English fans are realistic and someone did try to stop someone jinxing his team here. It was only the English press and a small no. of English fans here (at this forum) that stir up the shit, and denying it. I myself did say much earlier that it was (only) OK to dream about it when you reach Semi, but not before, and definitely not before tournament started! Roy Keane was right (which ironically I don't agree with him most of the time except this one), OK to dream but don't plan that far ahead. It was almost like the City celebration, why setting up the firework at stadium assuming you will BEAT Utd, it was pure arrogance. Ian Wright even denied it, like some of our English fans here.

IMO it was a great achievement for England because you have over-achieved, for a QF material. Can England improve to Semi material and beyond, it really depends on whether the team and the manager can progress, such as fixing the MF department and ball possession capability; assuming Keeper department has already been fixed. The last thing you need is to sack Southgate because he has failed your expectation.....
 
Out of curiosity, do fans of top clubs in La Liga/Seria A/Bundesliga also laugh and troll Spain/Italy/Germany the same way a lot of United fans laugh at England?
 
cyril C said:
Croatia might have a easy path like England but they did beat Argentina. Argentina might be over-rated in this tournament but it is still Argentina. Beside, Croatia can keep the ball and pass it around like a proper football team, and know how to break down a bus and coming from behind.
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Argentina is crap, and is it’s worst NT in ages. I think every team that qualified to last 16, will beat Argentina. They were awful.
 
Jeez, so many apology has to be made for Englishmen here from both native and foreigner here. Feel sorry for you lot. Must be hard to take this second soft Brexit.

Giggs86 said:
Out of curiosity, do fans of top clubs in La Liga/Seria A/Bundesliga also laugh and troll Spain/Italy/Germany the same way a lot of United fans laugh at England?
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Spaniard will always support Spain i think, same as others. The question is do their global supporters supports the nation? i think not all of them.
 
Castia said:
Because he’s played well the whole tournament? Walker would have been first choice RB leaving arguably the player of the whole tournament in Trippier on the bench....thank feck your not a manager.

England lose a game let’s find a scapegoat
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If you think he played well because England won games and didn't have really challenging opponent until Belgium and Croatia then that's your opinion however wrong it is. England had a great chance of attending the WC final yesterday a chance that may not be there for another 50 years and they didn't take it. I don' blame Walker for that. The whole team lives and dies as a whole and collectively they didn't show enough simple as that. The same goes for the manager who was late with substitutions and ineffective.
 
Giggs86 said:
Out of curiosity, do fans of top clubs in La Liga/Seria A/Bundesliga also laugh and troll Spain/Italy/Germany the same way a lot of United fans laugh at England?
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But do Italy/Spain/German talk up their chances and expect winning the WC even before tournament started? Beside, Italy/Spain/German did win the Cup before in past 20 years, when was England? Do you expect Sweden talk about bringing WC home?
 
cyril C said:
But do Italy/Spain/German talk up their chances and expect winning the WC even before tournament started? Beside, Italy/Spain/German did win the Cup before in past 20 years, when was England? Do you expect Sweden talk about bringing WC home?
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The reason the Home Nation fans hate England has little to do with that.

Besides, only crazy people were talking up England’s chances of winning it before the tournament.
 
Eboue said:
not yet. what channel are they on
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How is it any worse than songs sang inside premier league matches? Unless Robert Plant starts writing songs for Wolves it's pretty much all corny hyperbole in and forced rhyming. Sing some of these songs outside a ground or a pub and people will look at you like you escaped from a mental institution. Then again if a song triggers you so easily I'm starting to toy with the idea that you really did.
 
cyril C said:
But do Italy/Spain/German talk up their chances and expect winning the WC even before tournament started? Beside, Italy/Spain/German did win the Cup before in past 20 years, when was England? Do you expect Sweden talk about bringing WC home?
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Do you think England fans were expecting to win this World Cup? :wenger:
 
So bloody good.

The team are great and I like the manager, but my god are the media insufferable. It's not coming home boys. Sorry (not really).
 
cyril C said:
But do Italy/Spain/German talk up their chances and expect winning the WC even before tournament started? Beside, Italy/Spain/German did win the Cup before in past 20 years, when was England? Do you expect Sweden talk about bringing WC home?
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I don't know, do they? I'm pretty sure the Germans proclaim themselves as favorites before every World Cup.

Besides, England used to talk up their chances back in 2002 and 2006, and rightfully so considering the players they had back then. This time around, the expectations were to reach the round of 16, and reaching the quarters would've been a successful tournament. No one expected them to be anywhere close to the semis, let alone a final.

It's coming home was nothing but an ironic joke, the problem is that a lot of people took it the wrong way and interpreted it as entitlement and arrogance.
 
Giggs86 said:
Out of curiosity, do fans of top clubs in La Liga/Seria A/Bundesliga also laugh and troll Spain/Italy/Germany the same way a lot of United fans laugh at England?
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As far as Germany and Spain are concerned, there's one huge difference. Half of the players in the respective teams come from Bayern, Barca and Real. For England, it's just Young and Lingard starting from United. The key players in the English team are from Spurs and City.
 
Not having a go at anyone in particular here but it’s amazing that the good old British satirical humour is the thing that rivals are chalking down as arrogance. Not for one moment did I think it was coming home, but that didn’t stop me posting it, because ultimately it’s all just a big sarcastic joke. Think some rivals do need to lighten up a little, we brits like to moan abit but I’m not sure where the hatred comes from.

Anyone else just really looking forward to watching Utd play again now, because I’m certainly ready.
 
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