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Stanley Road said:
Do you remember the 3 countries that disagreed with Junk( Tax haven king of Europe )being appointed? All had a meeting merkle and 2 caved, she's German by the way.
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The president of the commission is elected at the qualified majority, they didn't need these 3 countries and juncker was no one candidate, everyone hates him but he has the quality of being a threat to no one. The president of the commission is one the many issues that I have with the was the EU works, national leaders will sometimes engage in ridiculous politicking that leads to feckwits like Juncker.
On a side note, I was reading mediapart the other day and apparently three names are currently doing the round for the next presidents Altmaier, Barnier, Selmayr and the name of Merkel is somehow doing the round.:lol:
 
The momentum the movement behind a second referendum has gathered is impressive given it's something neither of the two main political parties advocate. I wouldn't bet against the Daily Mail calling for a 2nd referendum being on the cards. They seem to have taken a dramatically different turn since the new editor came in.
 
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The different odds on Brexit are quite interesting.

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According to Betfair markets, there is virtually no chance of a referendum being this year. Given that it's September, I can't disagree with that. Don;t really know why this market actually exists.

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This initially seems strangely written as there is no "end of" in the title. But the extended info does state: "Will the United Kingdom officially leave the European Union before the 29/03/2019 - 23:59:59?". Officially the UK will leave at 11 pm on the 29th March 2019.

Judging by that, there is a roughly 33% chance Brexit will be delayed. There is definitely a few reasons this could happen; another financial crisis, ineptitude of the British government, change in parliamentary arithmetic, etc.

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But, Brexit means Brexit. There is only around a 10-15% chance of Brexit not occurring at all before 2022. Market's seem to think that there is an equal chance of Brexit being delayed rather than stopped. (Note - this isn't a big market so the take this is all with a pinch of salt).

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The markets think there is a 60% chance that May will survive to see the UK leave the EU.

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Only £3,716 matched here, so take this with a huge dash of salt, but there is a roughly 72% chance that the UK will leave the EU before a general election is held.

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Lastly, there is a roughly 30% chance that there will be another EU referendum before 2020. Before 2020, as in, in 2019 or 2018. A referendum in 2019, after we leave but in the implementation period is reasonably possible. And even more possible is one in 2020 before the end of it, which isn't covered.

https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.125350912
 
Stanley Road said:
Ex-CBI chief lambasts EU leaders and UK over citizens' rights post-Brexit


Slightly more balanced than caf hysteria

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...mbasts-eu-leaders-and-uk-over-citizens-rights
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Don't get hysterical, NL won't chuck you out.
What people don't know though in Europe is if they rely on healthcare or their pension from the UK.
Should have been sorted out last year but we all know why it wasn't.

For EU citizens in the UK, wouldn't trust the UK government at all.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Don't get hysterical, NL won't chuck you out.
What people don't know though in Europe is if they rely on healthcare or their pension from the UK.
Should have been sorted out last year but we all know why it wasn't.

For EU citizens in the UK, wouldn't trust the UK government at all.
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lol, im not hysterical about anything as ive said a million times not much will change.

Just pointing out this dude is rightly telling the eu to pull their fingers out too. But you can carry on pointing the finger at one party if you like.
 
Stanley Road said:
lol, im not hysterical about anything as ive said a million times not much will change.

Just pointing out this dude is rightly telling the eu to pull their fingers out too. But you can carry on pointing the finger at one party if you like.
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The agreement is there and has been there since last December but the UK won't sign it because they have no solution to the Irish Border. That's what the 75/80% is about including the settlement bill, the bit that's missing is the Irish border.

Why do you think the UK government keep saying about taking the emphasis away from the border, why do you think the UK government keep saying about the settlement bill and threatening not to pay it. Why do you think they say nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.

The reason is that the crux of Brexit is the Irish border. All the delays are coming to an end, it's decision time very shortly.
Either they break the GFA which doesn't only affect Ireland but the whole relationship, they accept the border to be in the Irish Sea which is really a no-goer or they stay in the CU which in effect breaks Brexit.

UK citizens in the EU won't be thrown out. But they'll have to be able to support themselves and as I said if they are reliant on pensions which could be worthless if the pound collapses, which we won't know until there is definitely a no deal or what the arrangements for healthcare will be.

What do you expect the EU to do, no-one knows what the UK are going to do. If the UK government hadn't been so inept this would have been sorted long ago.
 
I was merely responding to your hysteria quip. I mean werent you the one shouting 'Oh no's' as you queued up at the French passport office?
 
Stanley Road said:
I was merely responding to your hysteria quip. I mean werent you the one shouting 'Oh no's' as you queued up at the French passport office?
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Personally I've been one step ahead in the whole process so that whatever happened, my life or my family's life would not be affected by a bunch of idiots or having to rely on the UK government for anything whatsoever.

Other people do rely on the whims of the UK government and have sympathy for them.

Whatever happens now will not affect me.
 
Stanley Road said:
Again, you're speculating that there wont be a deal or an extension of talks.
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May just said it's either Chequers or no deal - everyone apart from the government knows Chequers has been dead for ages, thus according to May there is only one option.

You could extend the talks for years but it's not going to solve the Irish border problem.
Why do people think there will be an extension of talks or that there will be a second referendum or that there will be a general election. Brits think everything revolves around them.

The EU moves on early next year, new elections , new budget , new commission, new president with or without the UK, they're not waiting for the UK to make their mind up. They've got a few weeks left.

The fact you are questioning 30th March means that even you are expecting something, Brexiters say they know what they voted for, out means out, if out means out it's crashing out but if they want a deal they're expecting something more thus they didn't know what they voted for.
 
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For anyone who does not have an idea why so many want us to leave, look at Sajid Javid's ides post brexit.
As for Farage, another charlatan propagating the illusion of independence.
 
Klopper76 said:
I can't stand Farage. His deflection away from Piers' question regarding Hungary's leader towards Labour and the accusations of anti-antisemitism was pathetic.
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Really was. I can't believe some are not smart enough to see through his bullshit.
 
Adisa said:
Really was. I can't believe some are not smart enough to see through his bullshit.
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It less of them not seeing it and more of them agreeing with it. There's a least 35% of the uk population since Brexit(Although it's been building since the late 2000's) that has taken a quite big turn to the far right.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
The fact you are questioning 30th March means that even you are expecting something
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I can tell you what I am not expecting, I am not expecting mad max and locusts to appear. I am not expecting people to be rounded up and bundled on to trains and sent away, that's been done before.
 
Stanley Road said:
I can tell you what I am not expecting, I am not expecting mad max and locusts to appear. I am not expecting people to be rounded up and bundled on to trains and sent away, that's been done before.
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So you're not expecting an apocalypse or a holocaust.

That really narrows it down.
 
Stanley Road said:
I can tell you what I am not expecting, I am not expecting mad max and locusts to appear. I am not expecting people to be rounded up and bundled on to trains and sent away, that's been done before.
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I'm not expecting that either, nor is anyone else I would imagine, but if there is no deal life will start to become different for people in the UK.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...-rover-staff-will-go-to-three-day-week-brexit

Reminds me of my youth, the good old days of the early 70s.

The chief executive of the sector’s trade body, the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT), warned this year that auto firms were not ready for this scenario, with the official exit date of 29 March 2019 looming.

Asked if there were any potential Brexit benefits for the British automotive industry, which has a combined annual turnover of £82bn, he said: “Not that we can see.”
 
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Adisa said:
Really was. I can't believe some are not smart enough to see through his bullshit.
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most*

Sadly many of those that aren't UKIP voters nor Farage fans still agree by and large with the shit the spews out of his mouth on a regular basis.

People are idiots and we've fecked ourselves good and proper.
 
Made the mistake of reading the comments on one of the BBC's Brexit articles. It's like a thousand Stanley Roads.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
He just cannot stop lying. People did not know what they voted for, back then he was not saying what he's saying now. Furthermore, even today they still do not know what they voted for because until it smacks them fully in the face on 30th March 2019 reality won't dawn on them.
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Pls stop demeaning people...

Democracy is fine when results are going their way, but with Brexit and Trump people have suddenly become ‘stupid’
 
‘People’s vote’ has me :lol:

As if anyone would’ve considered another vote if Remain had won, even if Leavers had said ‘let’s keep asking the country before we integrate even more’ etc etc
 
Paul the Wolf said:
The border problem has to be solved there as well as in Ireland. Also over 95% of people from Gibraltar voted to Remain, imagine how happy they are.
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I suppose I had it in my head that you have to go through a physical border check on the edge of the runway to get into and out of Gibraltar whereas I've not got a clue what the Irish border system is like.

Didn't cross my mind about the trade parities and checking lorries and such like the potential Irish border problems.
 
Member 5225 said:
Pls stop demeaning people...

Democracy is fine when results are going their way, but with Brexit and Trump people have suddenly become ‘stupid’
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Both of those things were stupid though. The UK was stupid to vote in favor of Brexit, and the US was stupid to vote for Trump.
 
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