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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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I agree totally with @4bars

Yes I expect you would as he was largely agreeing with you.

You keep ignoring facts - you only see what you want to see.

Nope. Simply linked to a variety of research that debunks your false statement

Theresa May has said the UK voted to leave the EU and the UK will be leaving the EU on 29th March and it is the will of the people, you had better send a letter quickly to her to say that Barca84 is not leaving the EU, didn't vote to leave and it's not your will.
I'm sure she'll be sympathetic to your pedantic semantics.

A childish suggestion. Writing to the PM won't make any difference and if this is a course of action you take yourself I suggest an approach more effective. Hopefully there'll be something more substantial put in place. Re semantics - I refer you to my previous thoughts on this. Words and detail are important even if they create you difficulty - it's tempting to simplify but it impoverishes the debate as we've seen.

You quote some survey which has radically different results and even quotes exactly what I said.

No it doesn't, anywhere, say that "The British don't want foreigners".

This survey has only a marginal relevance to EU immigration as the majority is about overall immigration.

This debate is about your statement above. You did not state "the British don't want foreigners from the EU". That would be a similar but significantly different debate.

Does your argument about the 53% means that it is only European immigrants that are objected to and what is the objection, what's wrong with them.
Let everybody in , eh?

Nowhere have I said this, Are you confusing me with someone else?

You can answer one of my polls:
5 people go for a job interview.
Let's say yourself , let's say you're a local lad from Manchester.
4 other people, one from Scotland with a deep scottish accent, one from Norwich with a broad accent, one from Holland with a slight Dutch accent, one from Bulgaria with a Bulgarian accent.
Each are equally qualified and would all be paid the same salary.
On a scale of 1 to 10 how upset would you be if
1. The Scottish guy got the job
2. The guy from Norwich got the job
3. The Dutch guy got the job.
4. The Bulgarian guy got the job

No thanks. Your poll is infantile and as irrelevant to the discussion as your poll of your family. However the presence of xenophobic attitude and/or racism in your family relationships could possibly be a significant predeterminant of your continued insistence that such attitudes largely drove the leave vote. In simpler terms could you have extrapolated from a study of two people the voting incentives of 17 million? If so it's a risky calculation to make.


You don't like people's personal experiences, how about we pool them all together. If I recall correctly you don't like experience of people on social media, comments on newspapers because they don't represent real life ,only your survey counts even though it is largely off subject.

I love to hear about people's experiences. Just not as anectodal and unverifiable evidence to support an inaccurate statement.

And you still can't prove that I'm wrong.

Your statement above has been disproved.

You still can't disprove a thing I've said.

You're repeating yourself.

Here's another one for you, I've personally travelled in and out of the UK hundreds of times and not once I have walked straight through the border.
How unlucky am I, it's only a personal anecdote so therefore the UK borders must be open, take control of our borders because the only person who is stopped is Paul the Wolf, do all the rest just walk through unchallenged?

We're not debating this. We're debating your statement above. Stop deflecting.

Remember the only 2% approx that has swayed the result despite the drastic warnings by the government what will happen to the economy. Can we safely assume that the rubbish spouted about how the economy will be better off outside the EU can be dispelled, another lie possibly? One other reason ruled out? No-one still come up with any rules that devastate their lives, and I saw yesterday on the BBC that the proportion of people who voted Leave as a protest vote was negligible. If people understood how the EU worked then they wouldn't be talking about how much more democratic the UK system is.
Don't seem to have many reasons left.

Not relevant to the debate re your false statement.

Your words:

"British people don't want foreigners in the UK"

These were your words. You'll find them in your posting history.

It is provably false and has been upthread.

Those are mine.

Therefore you are saying that British people do want foreigners in the UK, problem solved, no need for HOPE/HATE, no need to stop FoM, everyone's welcome.

No that's not what I've said is it? It's Hope Not Hate and it's not what they say either. Neither does the executive summary of the National Conversation on Immigration. See my previous post for further detail or read the survey report again. If the summary is not clear enough perhaps you should read the whole thing?

I think we've made some progress injecting some solid independent research into the Brexit vote and on immigration in general into this discussion. It's good to challenge stereotypes and entrenched positions particularly ones built on suspect foundations of purely personal experience.
 
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Latest UK migration stats
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...migrationstatisticsquarterlyreport/august2018

You will see the rate of EU immigration has been steadily falling - even last year EU8 countries was a net reduction.
Look at the immigration from non-EU - increasing significantly and especially from Asia.

Wait until the UK try to do deals with Asian countries.
Well all the eastern europeans are here, that why my company needs to look further afield.
 
Whats this about?

Feck knows. I've "been warned" though. Don't know how I'll sleep.

You want me to correct your post using my name because ....

If you don't change it and the previous time I'll have to get it moderated, twice you've made out I've said things which I haven't.

No I haven't. You know the drill Paul. Link please?
 
Feck knows. I've "been warned" though. Don't know how I'll sleep.

No I haven't. You know the drill Paul. Link please?

That's the whole point I can't link. You said you understood, quite obviously you didn't.
Your post 30849 looks as if I wrote your comments. You have already done it before in the previous pages . I can't reply to your post because you used it under my name and I can't reply to it. You are clearly having trouble using the quote button.
 
I have done. Just inserted my responses clearly under yours and bolded to make it obvious. You can reply. Think about it. Hard.

Night.

I despair, no wonder you need everything written out in precise detail. If you don't know how to use the site after 5 years ask one of the moderators how to use the quote button.
 
Sure, but that says nothing to its merit compared to fom
It works, you can employ the best in the eorld not just in europe. You can keep out and easily control people coming in and out. I know the yoof of today don't want to put any effort into anything but this just works. Obviously fom doesnt just work otherwise it would be a mute point.
 
Cant quote properly, at least you have your beloved Barcelona.


Next

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Yeh of course it's just so laborious when an entire lengthy post needs to be deconstructed due to the amount of weapons grade bull in it. Apologies @Paul the Wolf if you found that irritating as it certainly wasn't my intention.

I've nothing further to add to a tedious discussion. I'd commend though to Paul and anyone else who despairs at the rise of xenophobia, racism and the politics of hate to take on board the work and findings of the likes of Hope Not Hate and the National Conversation on immigration as both show tremendous cause for optimism alongside worrying attitudes to immigrants and particularly the Muslim community. We can sometimes be forgiven for thinking that the Yaxley-Lennons of this world are taking over but card carrying extremists like himself are a comparatively rare breed in the UK. What's essential is respectful dialogue with the disaffected that his ilk seek to exploit for their own political gain and when we have that to counter, as evidenced, it simply shows real and understandable concerns within fragile and under threat communities. It part explains a referendum result that came as a huge shock to many but not where I live where no Remain posters were to be seen and where nobody knocked on any doors, asked anybody their voting intentions, and proffered anybody some insight into what was at stake. These communities weren't even considered important enough to consult and inform and that's a damning indictment. It's progress though that there is now a dialogue happening and if there's a plus to the whole Brexit shambles then it may be that voice has been heard and that a light has been shone on this divide within the country. Real political leadership is required and yet there is a vacuum. They are the culprits here.

Fascinating and interesting times I think.
 
Wait, so it seems (if true) that the UK will be out of the EU, but will be in the CU, will be freedom of movement (no border) and presumably will keep paying and will not have a vote and that is a concession from the EU? or I understood wrong?

From what I can understand. We are in the same position as before the exit, but we don't have a vote on the European Council, so we are worse off!
 
It works, you can employ the best in the eorld not just in europe. You can keep out and easily control people coming in and out. I know the yoof of today don't want to put any effort into anything but this just works. Obviously fom doesnt just work otherwise it would be a mute point.

The youth of today who leave their home countries to work crappy jobs in Western Europe are obviously putting in an effort, you're just blind to it. The great advantage of FOM is that it allows a poor kid with a bit of graft to improve their life chances enormously, not just those who could afford an education in their home nation
 
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/birmingham-voters-now-want-second-15365710

"Jess Phillips' Birmingham Yardley voted to leave by a margin of 60% to 40% two years ago.

But Labour voters split 56% to 44% in favour of staying in the EU and this margin has now increased to 61% in favour of remain to 39%.

Overall, her constituency Is now in favour of a People’s Vote by a margin of 63% to 37% - but Labour supporters are significantly more positive with 73% in favour and just 27% against"
 


Never heard of this Brendan O'Neill pillock before but was curious to find out more about his Irish peasant parents. Nothing on his wiki page. Although it does reveal him as quite a piece of work...

He considers efforts to combat racism in football to be "a class war" driven by "elites' utter incomprehension of the mass passions that get aired at football matches".[6] Referring to high-profile cases of racial abuse and alleged racial abuse, he argued, "these incidents and alleged incidents are not racism at all, in the true meaning of the word", due to the levels of passion involved, describing anti-racism efforts as "a pretty poisonous desire to police the ... working classes".[6]
 
Never heard of this Brendan O'Neill pillock before but was curious to find out more about his Irish peasant parents. Nothing on his wiki page. Although it does reveal him as quite a piece of work...

Well this is he of "If You Were Abused By Jimmy Savile, Maybe You Should Keep It to Yourself" fame..

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/brendan-oneill/jimmy-savile-child-abuse_b_2017326.html

He also regards himself as Irish..

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6866102/brendan-oneill-irish-pm-leo-varadkar-a-cheerleader-for-eu/

Despite years ago deciding he wasn't..

https://www.spiked-online.com/2001/03/15/were-all-irish-now/

Quite the chameleon though this "ex Marxist". I'd take everything he says with a pinch of salt.
 
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Well this is he of "If You Were Abused By Jimmy Savile, Maybe You Should Keep It to Yourself" fame..

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/brendan-oneill/jimmy-savile-child-abuse_b_2017326.html

He also regards himself as Irish..

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6866102/brendan-oneill-irish-pm-leo-varadkar-a-cheerleader-for-eu/

Despite years ago deciding he wasn't..

https://www.spiked-online.com/2001/03/15/were-all-irish-now/

Quite the chameleon though this "ex Marxist". I'd take everything he says with a pinch of salt.

Seems like he was born and reared in England, to Irish parents. These alleged peasants who somehow could afford the expensive private schooling that put the plum in his mouth. I'm guessing his unpleasant views were honed at that same school.