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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Stanley Road said:
Unrelated i guess by why are french people moaning about have petrol 20c cheaper, per litre, than NL for example?
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Because they're used to having it cheap, chance to have a go at Macron, get lied to on social media etc . But they're not blaming the EU so not related really. Pain in the bloody ar$e.
UK haven't put up duty for something like 9 years but it's still slightly more expensive than France for Diesel.
 
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Paul the Wolf said:
Jeremy Corbyn speech at CBI - extract:

First, we want a new comprehensive and permanent customs union with a British say in future trade deals that would ensure no hard border in Northern Ireland and avoid the need for the government’s half-baked backstop deal. Businesses and workers need certainty. The Tories’ sticking plaster plan for a temporary customs arrangement, with no clarity on how long it will last and no British say, can only prolong the uncertainty and put jobs and prosperity at risk.

Second, a sensible deal must guarantee a strong single market relationship. Talk of settling for a downgraded Canada-style arrangement is an option popular only on the extremes of the Tory Party. It would be a risk to our economy, jobs and investment in our schools, hospitals and vital public services.

Third, a deal that works for Britain must also guarantee that our country doesn’t fall behind the EU in workers’ rights or protections for consumers and the environment. Britain should be a world leader in rights and standards. We won’t let this Conservative Government use Brexit as an excuse for a race to the bottom in protections, to rip up our rights at work or to expose our children to chlorinated chicken by running down our product standards.

1. When does the application to rejoin the EU go in?
2. You accept the four freedoms?
3. How much are you going to pay for the privilege?
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Yeah... Honestly the only way to achieve that (having a say in the EU rules) is to stay in...
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Corbyn’s just repeated the Tories rhetoric of 18 months ago with a few ‘worker rights’ and ‘protect jobs’ to socialist it up a bit.

Dear oh dear.
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It' just perfect. He just goes with the Tory rhetoric because they can't criticise it and waits to clean up the mess. He even said yesterday on Ridge that they based their six tests on the promises the government set out in the Lancaster speech. They fulwell know they are not achievable and I think Labour has played it brilliantly.
 
Ultimate Grib said:
It' just perfect. He just goes with the Tory rhetoric because they can't criticise it and waits to clean up the mess. He even said yesterday on Ridge that they based their six tests on the promises the government set out in the Lancaster speech. They fulwell know they are not achievable and I think Labour has played it brilliantly.
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If no deal can get through Parliament, then what?
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Because they're used to having it cheap, chance to have a go at Macron, get lied to on social media etc . But they're not blaming the EU so not related really. Pain in the bloody ar$e.
UK haven't put up duty for something like 9 years but it's still slightly more expensive than France for Diesel.
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It does sound like a folk not wanting to pay, sound familiar?
 
Oldyella said:
Baffling.
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What happens when the social fabric of many such places has been destroyed by design. When people feel ignored, disconnected and left behind they react and that reaction isn't always logical. Doubly so ehen you have a pervasive right wing press spreading anti-EU bullshit.
 
Stanley Road said:
It does sound like a folk not wanting to pay, sound familiar?
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Taxes you mean. Fuel used to be so much cheaper compared to the UK- used to get down to empty in Dover and fill up in Calais going out and on the way back (when was in the UK). Diesel duty has increased considerably recently. But we're off subject here.
 
I read that they planned to spin this out until the next GE, in 2022, to give them chance to hammer out a sensible trade deal with the EU. TM saying that Europe is our most important market.

It was in the Evening Standard, can anyone find the quotes?
 
Brexit: The BS Continues...
 
The poll at the top is confusing as feck. Can't you just change it to what people think is most likely, summat like - 1) No deal before the deadline, 2) May's deal eventually gets through the Commons, 3) We have a general election, 4) We have a second referendum, or E)boue.
 
Pogue Mahone said:


This is the worst bit in the interview. Another politician who doesn’t understand the fecking basics of the process the UK is already balls deep in. And not just any politician. The leader of the opposition. Fintan O’Toole was spot on with his accusations of “pig ignorance”. It’s appalling how badly the Uk electorate are being let down by the people who are supposed to be in charge here. Shameful incompetence all round.
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My main disappointment with JC is that the more you hear him speak, the more you realise he just isn’t particularly intelligent.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
Anyone seen Boris Johnsons '6 point plan to earn a better Brexit' ?

From The Daily Mail...



2 & 6 are my personal favourites. feckin clown. :lol:
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Brexit was born because of politics, Tory boy politics. Brexit is just a joke now, a political one at that.
 
JPRouve said:
I mean, come on Stanley we can't help it.
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I know it's not related and I don't have the full picture but it seems 500k people protesting against fuel price increases in order to promote green energy is a damning indictment of how hard it's going to be to switch from fossil fuels for countries. Have they done anything in France to incentivise driving electric instead or did they just hike fuel and go "come on lads, buy electric"?
 
Massive Spanner said:
I know it's not related and I don't have the full picture but it seems 500k people protesting against fuel price increases in order to promote green energy is a damning indictment of how hard it's going to be to switch from fossil fuels for countries. Have they done anything in France to incentivise driving electric instead or did they just hike fuel and go "come on lads, buy electric"?
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I haven't closely followed it but as far as I know it's about reducing the use of diesel who is supposed to pollute more and was less expensive, it was also known for a while it didn't happen abruptly. As for incentives, people can get money if they switch to new cars that are less polluting and I guess aren't using diesel.
 
ThierryHenry said:
My main disappointment with JC is that the more you hear him speak, the more you realise he just isn’t particularly intelligent.
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While I don't think he's necessarily anywhere near as strong as Benn and some of the other past prominent leftists, I do think he's fairly intelligent on issues which matter to him, and the inner-party workings we've seen and the general shift to the left behind the scenes within the party suggest to me he's a bit better at politicking than people give him credit for, even if it's not delivered tangible results.

The problem is that I just don't think he particularly cares about or engages with things that don't interest him politically. I've noticed on a lot of issues referring to Scotland - he occasionally makes minor slip-ups which don't matter massively but clearly come from someone who's not done their homework. For most of his time as an MP, that's been fine. He's been a backbencher in England, and so Scotland's mostly been a non-issue to him. Provided he's informed enough to vote on issues pertaining to us, I don't particularly care. It's unrealistic to expect MP's to have an immense interest in every area of the country, and some enter politics (from an optimistic POV) with the relatively noble goal of representing their constituents and not doing much beyond that. Again...if that's your goal as an MP, fair enough. Go for it. The issue is that now he's no longer in that position, and so has to at least look tangibly interested in issues that don't interest him.

I reckon Brexit's one of them. He's just not all that enthusiastic either way. On the one hand I suspect he knows a hard Brexit's not a goer because of the NI issue, and that a soft Brexit is the sensible but pointless way forward. By the same token though, he's traditionally been a Eurospectic, because Labour's left traditionally were, and the most neoliberal slant it has as an organisation clearly doesn't appeal to him. As a result he's not particularly passionate about it either way, and would rather focus on issues he views as important such as healthcare, education, transport etc. The problem with that, of course, is that a bad Brexit inherently hits every single one of these areas, and makes it more difficult for him to implement any of his future plans.

Could be off in that assessment, but it's the general impression I get of him. I reckon he'd much rather Brexit just wasn't an issue at all because either way he has to feint towards a side that just doesn't appeal to him in the slightest.
 
Cheesy said:
While I don't think he's necessarily anywhere near as strong as Benn and some of the other past prominent leftists, I do think he's fairly intelligent on issues which matter to him, and the inner-party workings we've seen and the general shift to the left behind the scenes within the party suggest to me he's a bit better at politicking than people give him credit for, even if it's not delivered tangible results.

The problem is that I just don't think he particularly cares about or engages with things that don't interest him politically. I've noticed on a lot of issues referring to Scotland - he occasionally makes minor slip-ups which don't matter massively but clearly come from someone who's not done their homework. For most of his time as an MP, that's been fine. He's been a backbencher in England, and so Scotland's mostly been a non-issue to him. Provided he's informed enough to vote on issues pertaining to us, I don't particularly care. It's unrealistic to expect MP's to have an immense interest in every area of the country, and some enter politics (from an optimistic POV) with the relatively noble goal of representing their constituents and not doing much beyond that. Again...if that's your goal as an MP, fair enough. Go for it. The issue is that now he's no longer in that position, and so has to at least look tangibly interested in issues that don't interest him.

I reckon Brexit's one of them. He's just not all that enthusiastic either way. On the one hand I suspect he knows a hard Brexit's not a goer because of the NI issue, and that a soft Brexit is the sensible but pointless way forward. By the same token though, he's traditionally been a Eurospectic, because Labour's left traditionally were, and the most neoliberal slant it has as an organisation clearly doesn't appeal to him. As a result he's not particularly passionate about it either way, and would rather focus on issues he views as important such as healthcare, education, transport etc. The problem with that, of course, is that a bad Brexit inherently hits every single one of these areas, and makes it more difficult for him to implement any of his future plans.

Could be off in that assessment, but it's the general impression I get of him. I reckon he'd much rather Brexit just wasn't an issue at all because either way he has to feint towards a side that just doesn't appeal to him in the slightest.
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Well, If the most important decision in Uk of the last 40 years and will change the shape of the country for the next 40 (basically his lifetime) doesn't appeal him and can't get bothered, I don't know what is he doing in politics. Also, is great to work in only the things that you find interesting. Unfortunately, at work you need to deal with the ones you don't like and if you don't do a a good job, you are fired, specially if it is the biggest situation that the company will ecounter.

So no, if he can't answer a simple question about brexit or not know what is going on, he is not intelligent, because he should be intelligent enough to know that Brexit is important to swallow up and be knowledgeable of what he is not interested. If what you say is true, he is not intelligent and he is lazy. So I don't know how can hold a leadership position
 
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