Turns out if you keeping poking the bear it's going to get pissed.
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I feel so conflicted. I personally believe in the union. But I hate the DUP and kind of enjoy May letting them down. But she’s incompetent and a Tory.
Oh who to root for here...
Oh who to root for here...
A Tory boy political joke which you have enthusiastically supported. Well done.
Spain always had a veto regarding Gibralta
Talks on Gibralta have apparently been bilateral however in the text if the draft agreement there are parts that apparently are at odds with what we had agreed with Spain?
My understanding they want a few words changed
But let's be honest many of the issues ref Ireland and a boarder will also apply to Gibralta and spain
A) The government resigns, someone else tries to form a government in 14 days.
B) A motion of no confidence is passed and there's an election
C) There is an impasse in parliament so a cross party majority could form to put the question back to the people / no deal or remain / which would destroy the leave argument and there would be a distinctive majority for remain nad we can get back to normal.
There is zero chance that there will be a no deal. There's not even 48 people supporting that, considering there has not been a confidence vote in May yet, let alone 300+.
Yep. He's a bigger snake than any of the Tories. He has no interests outside of his own Palestinian loving, tree-hugging, IRA supporting, Jew hating agenda. To even consider him as a leader of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is beyond madness.
The Black Shorts are holding a press conference:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ng-consequences-were-inevitable-politics-live
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ng-consequences-were-inevitable-politics-live
Im not the biggest fan of Corbyn but get a grip man. The state of this post.
There's a lot of misleading and selective language going on at the moment. I think we know A50 can be extended and rather than an agreed transition this is what a lot of them are referring to, they just can't state it as it's unpalatable
Cracks me up. They had wall-to-wall Brexiteers in every Brexit related cabinet post but they fecked it up and May and the civil servants had to step in. Now they cry foul. The wording on the ballot paper was in or out of the EU, nothing more. On the 29th March we will be out. They will have gotten their way. Two weeks before June 23 2016 every man jack of them would have taken Norway, Switzerland or May's deal and bitten your hand off.
Even if they get the 48, May will win and then where will they be?
Ok vote down Mays deal, fine, What then? No deal will be voted down too. So we could be back to square one with a 2nd referendum. Surely these dickheads can see that possibility now. They should put up and shut up.
From the Guardian blog on the ERG press conference - It seems we are back to the easiest deal in human history:
“Peter Lilley says the UK and the EU don’t have, and don’t want, tariffs after Brexit So negotiating a deal on that should “take 10 minutes”.
And regulations are the same too, he says. So negotiating a deal on that should be easy too.”
“Peter Lilley says the UK and the EU don’t have, and don’t want, tariffs after Brexit So negotiating a deal on that should “take 10 minutes”.
And regulations are the same too, he says. So negotiating a deal on that should be easy too.”
Damn right.state of this.
When Labour won in 1997, I thought the country would go to rat shit. However, I was surprised at how well they did over the next few years. Ok towards the end things went wrong with Blair and Brown but if there was a half decent centrist Labour party in opposition now with a cohesive agenda to get us out of this Brexit mess. I would consider voting for them.
I would rather crash out of the EU with no deal than have Corbyn as PM.
I feel you're sorely mistaken.
Neither of the two major parties want to go to a second referendum. Corbyn said so himself that he doesn't want one, and there's no challenge on his leadership of Labour. Tories are too split and they can't force a deal through. Changing PM won't help. Going to an election won't help because a) there's no time for a new deal to be negotiated and b) there's no realistic prospect of a new Tory leader running under a "People's Vote" banner. Never mind getting parliamentary majority
The state of affairs is that we're de facto crashing out with a no-deal because the government can't pass a deal and the opposition is happy to sit back and blame it on the government.
Yep. Jeremy Corbyn
A&B likely leave Labour holding the Brexit baby and having to deliver on their lies which would be impossible.
There's no real evidence that your preferred outcome of C would even happen. If the EU offer us anything less than returning to the EU on our old terms then I'd expect Leave to win again.
I'm really struggling to see the genius in Jeremy's tactics here?
Serious question:
Why do people say a "No deal brexit" would not go through parliament? Surely it wouldn't have to? It's the default now, if nothing else goes through parliament it will be a no deal brexit, without any parliamentary action to make it such...
What am I getting wrong here?
Why do people say a "No deal brexit" would not go through parliament? Surely it wouldn't have to? It's the default now, if nothing else goes through parliament it will be a no deal brexit, without any parliamentary action to make it such...
What am I getting wrong here?
...and the inherent dilemma at the heart of the Labour party has never been expressed so clearly. Labour are a party of the left, or are meant to be, but to appeal to the type of politics you describe as centerist above they have to move away from their traditional core demographic (cf. the rise of the SNP in Scotland partly based on consumption of disenfranchised left wing Labour voters).
They haven't said that at all, they said there would be separate talks
I think if a deal doesn't get through parliament then we leave with no deal by default. That was passed by May to snooker MPs into passing her deal. It will be her deal or no deal.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_(Withdrawal)_Act_2018
I stand to be corrected on that?
yes I am the biggest Tory supporter on here
They never will deliver on Brexit. There's over 90% majority or maybe more for Remain in the Labour party. Their aim is to get power and kill Brexit. Its plain to see but they won't say it and are just in the floater position trying to hoover up support from all sides.
I honestly believe if there was an election Labour would back the People's Vote option fulwell knowing that the Tory party cannot do that despite it being their get out of jail free card!
DUP will vote down deal according to Wilson.
https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/1120/1012047-brexit-uk/
https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/1120/1012047-brexit-uk/
You're quite right but i think people mean it won't be allowed to happen. They'll be enough support to divert that eventuality imo.
What politicians say now has very little bearing on what they'll say in a few weeks. I'm shocked so many seem to think that's the case.
Yes, that's how I understand it too, but I've seen a lot of remainers say there isn't a majority for "no deal", which may be true, but wouldn't be of any importance if we are right. (Unless everyone opposed to no deal votes for her deal of course ...)
Ah ok, hopefully you are right and those against a "no deal" can get their heads together and act accordingly.
I agree very much with the bolded. Most people here seem to be just assuming that Remain would win a second referendum, yet unless they can clarify what Remain means first I'm sure they won't.
Which would mean that over a few years people would have voted for Cameron to hold a referendum, for Leave to win the referendum, voted again for May and Corbyn to uphold the Leave vote, and then Leave again in a second referendum. Soft or hard, Brexit would be a certainty.
So by your estimation Jeremy Corbyn's 'new politics' which are supposedly based on honestly actually entail brazen duplicity on the biggest issue affecting Britain since World War 2, to the effect of actively sabotaging the most significant democratic mandate of our lifetimes.
I can't understand why the Spanish get so excited over Gibraltar anyway.
When is the vote on May's deal?
Most Labour MPs are anti-Brexit, and most of the party members, but the old lefties like Corbyn and McDonnell are not, and they are the leaders, so I'm not too sure what 'the aim' is at all, personally. Until the leadership changes, anyway.
Absolute fecking ignarmous cnuts.
Absolutely no excuse for being "misled". Information is abundant and facts apparent in black and white on matters like these.
Mentally lazy, ungrateful , ignorant, prejudiced oxygen thieves.
After the EU meeting on the 25th Nov. Most think early Dec.
Well in fairness when you can only count to 3...
Surprised he got that far.
Thanks.
Nothing.
If they don't accept the deal it has to be no deal, what I've been saying all along, the UK will just sleepwalk out of the EU, hoping the EU will beg them to stay.
Makes you wonder
Well if the EU didn't take away all of the numbers...