Reminds me of Di Maria vs France
Angel Di Maria | Performances | Wife: "He only joined United for money. The food was disgusting. The women look like porcelain"
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Great goal 
Angel Di Maria and his career now is me pretty much every game of Fifa. Rubbish due to being past my best for most of the game, but I hang in there and if you give me the chance to R1 finesse it into the top corner, you’d best believe I’m taking it.
Angel Di Maria and his career now is me pretty much every game of Fifa. Rubbish due to being past my best for most of the game, but I hang in there and if you give me the chance to R1 finesse it into the top corner, you’d best believe I’m taking it.
He was shocking regardless of what went on with the manager. Just like how Sanchez takes the blame despite Mourinho doing a poor a job. I understand a player under performing, like Pogba or Martial and especially the younger lot. But to be as bad as Di Maria became and Sanchez has been, for established players, is inexcusable.
I despise him. He used the club, and cost us an awful lot of money, he's a rat.
He was embarrassing at the end but to me there's no comparison between him and Sanchez. For the first half season he was one of our best players and people were excited. Sanchez hasn't even gotten to that stage.
I find it real weird how people can act like a rat and end up looking like a rat too.
Di Maria looks very ratty.
He wasn’t good for a half season though. Looked great in a handful of games, very early on, which created a feel good factor which meant it took fecking ages for everyone to accept that actually, yeah, he’s been a bit shit.
Agree completely.
Although I'd add that with ADM age/fitness wasn't a factor - just mentality, he didn't wanna be here. Wheras with Sanchez, I think the player really wants it to work but has lost a yard of pace, moved into a team with a lost dressing room (at time of his arrival), and is getting older for his style of play.
I still think Sanchez might turn it around, but it's very difficult to see how he gets into the team regularly.
I guess rotating with Martial is the likely option.
Luis Suarez is a Lord among rats.
I remember towards the end of his season he had a mare of a match and after 3 wayward crosses he shrugged his shoulders.
LVG shares some blame but what a piece of garbage Di Maria turned out to be.
But that chipped goal he had, my god. He does seem to be capable of jaw dropping moments but he was terrible overall in the world cup and I dont care much for forwards numbers for PSG in Ligue 1.
LVG shares some blame but what a piece of garbage Di Maria turned out to be.
But that chipped goal he had, my god. He does seem to be capable of jaw dropping moments but he was terrible overall in the world cup and I dont care much for forwards numbers for PSG in Ligue 1.
He actually got 3 goals and 10 assists in 20(7) games for us in the PL. He's only bettered that assist tally since in his first season in France when got 18. He hasn't started more than 29 league games in Spain, England or France. Does he get injuries? I can't remember.
He was great at the start in his short time here and then eventually couldn't give a feck. Was his house really ever robbed as was claimed? Pathetic excuse to use this and try to leave the club
I don't remember it the same way, but to me that's quibbling over details. My view is that di María showed us what he could potentially offer at his best for a sustained period, and then totally fell apart. No doubt van Gaal played a role but di María's inability to adapt is his own problem. Sánchez is more comparable to Falcao, for me. Never even got up and running; just a slow motion car crash. Well, Sánchez is doing it in slow motion whereas Falcao was just a series of pathetic mini-crashes.
So, big picture, I think it's unfair to put Sánchez in the same bucket. Di María stopped trying. Sánchez keeps trying but seemingly isn't able.
Actually, the Falcao analogy is a good one. He came good eventually, at a different club. I hope Sanchez doesn’t have to leave to do the same.
Has Di Maria been as good in France as Falcao? I don’t think he has, right? Although I don’t watch Ligue Un.
Was actively playing himself out of the club.
Does anyone blame him for hating it under LvG.
I think the majority of the squad probably did.
I think the majority of the squad probably did.
He was doing what Pogba done under Mourinho, but took it one step further, I understand you hate the manager and their tactics, but to take a steaming dump on a club and its fans for that reason is pretty shocking, effort is the minimum requirement really.
Disagree completely with that. Pogba was our best player under Mourinho this season, then he had a few shockers just like he did last season when he was supportive of the manager. This led to him being dropped.
In my opinion Mourinho tried to force Pogba to become a player he wasn't. Pogba was forced to have defensive concentration throughout the whole game, which is not his game. He can defend in spurts, but his main qualities are going forward.
Through sheer talent! What I'm trying to say is that they both gave up because of their managers.
Di Maria looked great for 4 or 5 games as I remember, then went off the boil with occasional good moments. To be fair to him, it definitely wasn't easy for him to play his game under Van Gaal. Everybody struggled. It didn't help that Van Gaal for some reason started trying to play him up front. It was shocking how low his level could be though, when we'd seen how high it could be. He was utter shit for a lot of his time with us, I seem to remember him losing the ball constantly for a while. It would have been interesting to see him under Ferguson, or even now under Solskjaer. He doesn't seem like a player with the mentality what we really want at United, though
They actually looked to make up (for example Rioala said that they had made up early in the season) and he got the captaincy. But in typical Mourinho fashion he blew a gasket and went way overboard saying he'd never captain again.
I personally don't think Pogba had that much of a problem with Mourinho for 90% of his time here. When Mourinho started singling him out was when I believe he stopped playing. I would say that he gave up for a very short period of time and did so in a very reasonable way, DI Maria on the other hand gave up almost instantly. Pogba and Mourinho were on good terms for atleast 1.5 seasons, Di Maria on the other hand didn't even try to make things work.
Good question! I've not seen anything of Falcao outside of a couple of CL games, but he looked back to normal there - and you can't argue with 54 goals in his last two seasons! I've seen a little bit of di María and he's been much like he was at Madrid under Mourinho - occasionally brilliant, occasionally anonymous, generally useful but unimportant. Seems entirely plausible that (half-)season for Madrid was just an aberration. It's the perfect recipe for a bad, overpriced signing: just hit a new level in the last 6 months, just won the biggest title in his career and forced out from a club he was enjoying his football at.
Falcao's time in England was utterly bizarre so it shows anything can happen, but at least he had an excuse. I'm not sure Sánchez does. Although my little bro mentioned over Christmas that thing about him not having had a summer off after 4 years. Seems plausible he's just burned out, but I can't remember many similar scenarios. I vaguely remember Xavi and co. being burned out after a few mammoth seasons but from what I remember it just accelerated Xavi's decline, rather than simply being a blip?
First thing he said when he came to the club was "I wanted to go to PSG". It really set the mood for the rest of his season
If you look at Di Maria's stats in his first season in France he scored 10 and assists 18 in 26(4) apps which is what you'd expect from a forward of his standing playing for PSG in the French League. Since then his number have dropped off.
Looking at the numbers his peak definitely seemed to be his last season at Madrid, his season with us and his first season in France. I do think he could have been an amazing player for us. I remember watching him against Germany for Argentina early in his United career and he was on fire.
He never seemed like he wanted to be at United from the start tbh.
But Lvg bought him and then didn't know how to use him and where? Then he tried to change him as a player to suit his philosophy or whatever which he also did with several others.
Was always bound to fail and I am not sure how much you can blame individual players for that? You buy a record signing and then expect him to change totally.
But Lvg bought him and then didn't know how to use him and where? Then he tried to change him as a player to suit his philosophy or whatever which he also did with several others.
Was always bound to fail and I am not sure how much you can blame individual players for that? You buy a record signing and then expect him to change totally.
Lvg was all about holding on to possession at end of his tenure here and Di Maria was playing as a pressing risk taking Am as Madrid when we bought him.
He did well in that role initially for us too but team performances were not great and then he never fit with what lvg wanted him to do later. Was a total mess like with most Lvg signings.
He's pretty much a full-time midfielder now though.
I developed a strange dislike for this chap, midway through that season he was here. Not sure why but something about his general behavior and commitment towards the club. Feck the prick.
Pretty sure his very last appearance for us against Hull, he took himself off ‘injured’ and remembering it looking pathetically clear he wasn’t injured at all. He’s also the reason why I’m not too keen on having any more Argentinians in the squad with him being the straw that broke the camels back after Heinze and Tevez.
I've no love for Di Maria. He used the club as it suited him, stopped trying when it suited him and engineered a move away when it suited him. However it's sad that coming to United could disillusion a flair player to that extent when we've always thought of ourselves as one of the few clubs in world football all players aspire to join. Hopefully those days are behind us.
Rojo and Romero have done alright, Rojo was decent before injuries as a squad player and Romero has been adequate back-up to De Gea. I think the ones with high expectations often fail to live up to them much like the Brazilians.
van Gaal might have been a tough taskmaster, but it did not give him license to stop looking like even a football player and go AWOL on strike to force a move. Still a spineless cnut, I hope we keep him quiet in the CL.
Yeah, you pay that kind of humongous wages to him so that you could rotate him with a highly talented 23 year old who has done lot more for us than the mercenary. At those wages him being a rotating option is madness. He needs to give world class performances week in week out as he was bought as a finished article/superstar.
You are correct that Di Maria was much better than Sanchez (particularly early on) however my post was aimed at comparing ownership and responsibility of the footballer and manager, and not the actual peformance levels. Eventually though, whether though ability or mentality, Di Maria reached absolutely woeful performance levels much like Sanchez. For me, that's too much to put on the manager entirely. I understand a players level dropping like Pogba or Martial or anyone else due to the managers treatment or tactics, but unless you and the manager have some wierd personal issues, it shouldn't result in abysmal showings.
Get Herrera to rattle him in the first five minutes and he'll disappear.
Regardless of LvG thing, had a weird feeling even before he joined us, if i remember correctly, it looked like PSG couldnt afford him that transfer window and he was pushed out from RM, so he needed a place to stay for a year.
Yeah I don't agree that Sanchez has dropped his level because of factors within his control. I agree di Maria did, albeit I understand his position. Sanchez is playing poorly because he can't play better, IMO. Like Falcao, it wasn't his fault or van Gaal's fault.
I suppose we'll know soon about Sanchez. I understand your point and accept the same although I'd like to see whether Sanchez is completely done or this is his level.
But again, I'd reiterate that I was speaking more specifically regarding the shifting of blame onto the manager and the whole notion that the manager is 'ruining' the player. Even if we accept your analysis, both wouldn't be cases of a manager ruining a player because in Sanchez's case, he would have regressed himself and had no better version of himself to offer and in ADM's, his own attitude and professionalism was too poor to shift blame.
Now one could make argument that the managers were wrong to sign these players and they'd be right. But that's a different discussion.
Agreed.