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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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The important difference is political, namely that there are probably the votes for it to pass through parliament and wouldn't require another referendum to implement. Brexiters wouldn't be overly happy and remainers (me included) would complain that we might as well stay in and preserve the influence, but it still seems to me the path of least resistance.

I understand completely where you're coming from. The question is would parliament actually be able to pass it. The result of the referendum would be upheld but there'll still be a lot of unhappy people.
Both sides of the house would have to stop playing party politics.

Edit: That would be assuming the UK are allowed into EFTA
 
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Ok taking the pallets example, who do you see the UK undercutting France and exporting to?

Anyone really, it's a market where the biggest actors are mainly from developed countries Japan, Netherlands, Australia, US, Germany, China, France, to name a few. These countries are hubs, a lot of goods starts, ends or transit through them so logically, the logistics equipment is produced there. Now, my point is that NL, France and Germany aren't cheap countries themselves and since the UK is also a hub a british company could conceivably benefit in that type of market.
Now, I admit that I should have made it clear that I wasn't talking about the UK as a whole but niche markets.
 
Anyone really, it's a market where the biggest actors are mainly from developed countries Japan, Netherlands, Australia, US, Germany, China, France, to name a few. These countries are hubs, a lot of goods starts, ends or transit through them so logically, the logistics equipment is produced there. Now, my point is that NL, France and Germany aren't cheap countries themselves and since the UK is also a hub a british company could conceivably benefit in that type of market.
Now, I admit that I should have made it clear that I wasn't talking about the UK as a whole but niche markets.

Here's a few

https://www.lesprom.com/en/members/activity/Pallet_manufacturers/
 
Why would he lie though? Its not like he likes to project a positive image of himself, rather his whole schtick is being the guy everyone loves to hate.

He's a Londoner too and in show business so its easy to see why he'd be a remainer..

I dislike him thoroughly but I do get his point so I believe he probably did vote remain. Whether a bad or good decision, that was the result of a democratic vote and a few other 'remainers' I know say they would now vote leave, not because they have changed their minds, but because they respect the decision.

I personally think they're idiots if they do that but I understand where they're coming from.
 
I found the whole thing about Australian beef hilarious. Let’s buy beef, do no quality checks on it if any sort because JRM thinks that you can take the word of the seller rather than your own trading standard checks. What planet is this guy on?
I dislike him thoroughly but I do get his point so I believe he probably did vote remain. Whether a bad or good decision, that was the result of a democratic vote and a few other 'remainers' I know say they would now vote leave, not because they have changed their minds, but because they respect the decision.

I personally think they're idiots if they do that but I understand where they're coming from.

And probably full of shit as well.
 
I dislike him thoroughly but I do get his point so I believe he probably did vote remain. Whether a bad or good decision, that was the result of a democratic vote and a few other 'remainers' I know say they would now vote leave, not because they have changed their minds, but because they respect the decision.

I personally think they're idiots if they do that but I understand where they're coming from.

I don't understand how you understand them. The logical and honest action is to vote for what you believe in and accept the results, voting leave when you believe in remain alters the actual results and it serves absolutely no one.
 


Those that don't like O'Brien on LBC - here's another JRM interview on the BBC by a much softer interviewer and JRM still spoke absolute gibberish and lies.


Where did this guy come from, am i right in thinking no one had heard of him before Brexit?
 
There maybe some skirmishes here and there, from the right wing under the guise of Brexit, but it will soon die away. Its the reaction of the bulk of tory leave voters and the 40 odd percent of traditional labour leave voters that will be key. These groups are unlikely to take to the streets, but will, once they have found their new strength in opposition to the EU, organise themselves in voting blocks to effect normal elections and will try to fight tooth and nail against any perceived new EU rules which they feel are being forced on them. One target would be to force situations where HM Government gets in to difficulty in implementing EU laws and ultimately is hauled up before ECJ. How disrupting this will be is hard to assess, initially for maybe a year or more it will be more or less guerrilla warfare in British politics, but eventually it will fade away as long as the EU itself reforms and demonstrates to the despondent leavers that all they are doing now is cutting their noses off to spite their face. There will also have to be a big upsurge in EU assistance for improving Youth Employment across the EU, otherwise the Youth who wanted to remain, will start to think maybe their grandparents were right after all.

Brexit in my opinion will not happen, article 50 will not be delayed but cancelled, then everyone except our current crop of disgraced leading politicians will have a second chance, including those in the EU, to make things right. Lets hope that having come so close to the perfect storm, that the lights in Europe will go on again and everybody get a fair share.

I like your optimism and I hope you are right.
 
I hadn't but maybe those living in the UK and closely following politics may have.

I'm in the UK not a very close follower of Politics in England but i'd never heard of him. Crazy that he's on the TV and radio almost daily spouting a load of nonsense. I seen recently he quotes the Sun as a source of factual information. Says it all really.
 
Where did this guy come from, am i right in thinking no one had heard of him before Brexit?
I first heard of him when Stephen Fry mentioned him years ago in an interview or on a panel show. He told a story about him unsuccesfully canvassing for election some time back and being bewildered that everyone was laughing at him because he had his nanny accompanying him.
He's a walking joke, Mary Poppins arch enemy, C3PO if he was on the Empire's side and now somehow taken seriously.
 
I first heard of him when Stephen Fry mentioned him years ago in an interview or on a panel show. He told a story about him unsuccesfully canvassing for election some time back and being bewildered that everyone was laughing at him because he had his nanny accompanying him.
He's a walking joke, Mary Poppins arch enemy, C3PO if he was on the Empire's side and now somehow taken seriously.

:lol:

He's a real hero to the brexiters it seems. He spouts a load of nonsense so i guess that makes sense.
 
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He's a real hero to the brexiters it seems. He spouts a load of nonsense so i guess that makes sense.

Because he says what they want to hear, that's all that matters. Anyone who knows about international trade knows he is talking total nonsense, not necessary because he is lying but that he genuinely doesn't know what he's talking about.
 
Where did this guy come from, am i right in thinking no one had heard of him before Brexit?
He owns a finance company and had been advising his clients to invest in Ireland. Stands to make a lot of money out of brexit apparently. Probably why he’s crawled out from under his rock. I don’t believe he’s got anyone but his own interests at heart
 
He owns a finance company and had been advising his clients to invest in Ireland. Stands to make a lot of money out of brexit apparently. Probably why he’s crawled out from under his rock. I don’t believe he’s got anyone but his own interests at heart

Yeah its odd, surely most regular people with a bit common sense must realize that if a character like Mogg is desperate for a no deal Brexit. Then it can't be a good thing for the average working man or woman.

Because he says what they want to hear, that's all that matters. Anyone who knows about international trade knows he is talking total nonsense, not necessary because he is lying but that he genuinely doesn't know what he's talking about.

Sadly thats it.
 
I found the whole thing about Australian beef hilarious. Let’s buy beef, do no quality checks on it if any sort because JRM thinks that you can take the word of the seller rather than your own trading standard checks. What planet is this guy on?

O'Brien didn't even touch on the stupidity of him suggesting replacing a country you border with one 15,000km away as the source of beef imports.
 
Do you know how this would affect someone like myself?

I have a property in Portugal, Portuguese bank account, fiscal no etc but no citizenship as the property isn't worth over 500,000 euros.

If this god forbid does happen, do I pay the same tourist visa charge or are there concessions/exclusions for a property owner.
It will affect people on both sides. And your beloved Portimonense. ;)
 
He owns a finance company and had been advising his clients to invest in Ireland. Stands to make a lot of money out of brexit apparently. Probably why he’s crawled out from under his rock. I don’t believe he’s got anyone but his own interests at heart

It much more than Ireland. They are heavily invested in emerging markets so they stand to make an absolute fortune if we leave the EU and deregulate allowing for goods from other countries with lower standards to flood our markets.
 
During the Brexit campaign, women at the hairdressers I go to were talking about not wanting Turkey in the EU, therefore they'd vote leave. They were not the sort of ladies who would normally be discussing European politics, if you know what I mean. They heard that line somewhere.
 
It’s a sad indictment of the thread that people feel the need to qualify any statement that’s slightly against the grain with “I voted remain”

Its similar to what happened in Italy after fascism fell. Suddenly everyone was a partiggiano or son of one from day 1. That doesn't stop them from voting salvini
 
During the Brexit campaign, women at the hairdressers I go to were talking about not wanting Turkey in the EU, therefore they'd vote leave. They were not the sort of ladies who would normally be discussing European politics, if you know what I mean. They heard that line somewhere.

When I was a teenager we had the polish plumber, it was our boogeyman. @Paul the Wolf were you following french politics 15 years ago? It wasn't a lot different to what the UK are currently experiencing.
 
When I was a teenager we had the polish plumber, it was our boogeyman. @Paul the Wolf were you following french politics 15 years ago? It wasn't a lot different to what the UK are currently experiencing.

Not really, sort of getting slightly interested before we moved in 2007 hoping that Sarkozy might be good for France:nervous:.
Wasn't really interested in British politics either other than I couldn't stand Blair.
 
Not really, sort of getting slightly interested before we moved in 2007 hoping that Sarkozy might be good for France:nervous:.
Wasn't really interested in British politics either other than I couldn't stand Blair.

It really reminds me brexit, obscure politicians targeting foreigners, making up issues that don't exist and assuring that France can negotiate a better deal. The only difference is that the parliament ultimately told them to do one. Also at the time the only reason we got into that position was because Chirac was disliked and the opposition used the EU as a tool against him, it was never about the EU but only a french issue.
 
It really reminds me brexit, obscure politicians targeting foreigners, making up issues that don't exist and assuring that France can negotiate a better deal. The only difference is that the parliament ultimately told them to do one. Also at the time the only reason we got into that position was because Chirac was disliked and the opposition used the EU as a tool against him, it was never about the EU but only a french issue.

Nothing ever changes apart from the targets. As @GloryHunter07 said when I was young it was the Irish and also the Commonwealth immigrants were the targets. If the European immigrants left it'll probably revert back to them.
 
I still don't see what he stands to gain about lying how he voted on Brexit. I don't buy the idea that he gets some credibility from it. He's an arse who just wouldn't care about people knowing that he voted Brexit if he did.

I don't have an opinion on how he voted for but it's very common for people to claim that they voted a certain way or have a certain type of friends just before making a stupid statement. It gives them the idea that they are less vulnerable to criticism.
 
I don't have an opinion on how he voted for but it's very common for people to claim that they voted a certain way or have a certain type of friends just before making a stupid statement. It gives them the idea that they are less vulnerable to criticism.

He takes up positions to encourage people to come at him though. Its his whole act.