Not at all. I am only repeating what was said today by a number of those Labour MP'S who have chosen to leave the party.
They know exactly what has been going on inside the Labour.
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Not at all. I am only repeating what was said today by a number of those Labour MP'S who have chosen to leave the party.
They know exactly what has been going on inside the Labour.
Of course they did. Lots of people predicted Brexit would be a disaster. It's the biggest thing to happen to the country for 50 years, so yes, it is extreme. And its what Corbyn and McDonnell wanted.
Not the basics of exiting the EU.
Of course people have a different view if the vote didn't go their way
The fudemenral of exiting the EU have not changed, but details on the how are in flux
I find it hard to compare with an MP changing their party, which is then compounded by a fudemental shift in policy
Well no. That logic would also rule out a need for a by-election too.
You vote for a person in our system. The 'fundamentals' of your representation have not changed because you are still being represented by that person, but the 'details' on how they are doing it have.
And hey, if you don't like how they've chosen to represent you you, at least, have the opportunity of booting them out in the next election.
Not sure that I would agree that Neil Kinnock was totally inept.
For one thing, he saw that Militant Tendency was trying to take over the party and I can still remember his speach when he accused the leader of the Liverpool council of sending people around in taxied handing out redundancy notices.
Beat me to it. https://www.joe.co.uk/news/labour-mp-bbc-interview-220149
Clearly black people are worthy of being considered normal now, because they have a black man in their ranks, but the rest of us are a funny tinge.
Chuka Umunna is Poundland Obama wannabee, an obvious careerist who saw himself as a future PM, now he can't see a route for his personal advancement, he will not stand in the next election to avoid humiliation.
Then he can finally move to Chelsea, so he doesn't have to mix with the hoi polloi and trash people of Streatham.
Then he can finally move to Chelsea, so he doesn't have to mix with the hoi polloi and trash people of Streatham.
The Labour party in-fighting on Twitter is a sight to behold. Absolutely fecking infuriating that the party is riven with divisisons at such a critical time in the history of the UK. The buck for this has to stop with the bloke in charge. History will not look kindly on Jeremy Corbyn.
We don't these clowns just join the Lib Dems? What are policy differences from the Lib Dems?
There is no one at the wheel.
Apparently he hasn't spoken to Luciana Berger since 2017... Which frankly seems strange given what's been going on
Wouldn't be surprised to see momentum strike now and push to deselect 20 or so MP's as taking more complete control of the party seems to be their main priority
Mate it's twtter.
That's poor if true. But it's not like anyone thought he'd be a great leader in the first place so not surprising.
That Labour are a bigger mess than the Tories takes some doing. Still don't think these guys have done right by quitting.
Look at that world class journalism in action there. Making sure to step in to stop the politician having to answer a difficult question.
It's an impossible position... practically the whole cause of the current political rift in both of the major parties is the EU referendum. How are you supposed to unite voters behind you when they are still split on the issue? The whole situation has become completely tribal. It's a complete mess, but how do you resolve something like that? I find it hard to believe that anybody could unite the party under the current circumstances unfortunately.
I think Jo Coburn felt second-hand embarrassment for her, the whole system is a shambles currently
Yeah, fair point.
The only politician I've recently seen with a rallying call that could potentially appeal to both sides of the Brexit debate is Andrew Yang (a Uk version, obvs). The whole blame game around the collapse of the industrial employment sector (soon to be followed by drivers, call centres etc etc) misses the point. It's not the EU or immigrants that has ruined the career prospects of so many Uk citizens, it's progress. At least he has the cojones to go all in on a possible solution, instead of trying to find other people to blame. Or convince voters that we can turn back time.
I recognise it's the same person and you vote for a person not a party, but I can't think of anything more extreme than a person changing their political party.
If that does not justify a by-election then finding know what would (from a political policy perspective)
Don't reckon this new party (if it even is one) will be able to mount any sort of respectable challenge at a national level, but it's a headache for Labour nevertheless, and not exactly a good look for the party at a time when they want to seem like a strong and competent opposition trying to replace a dreadful Tory government.
Surprised Chuka took the plunge. If he's the careerist we all think he is then it's a baffling move: he's basically alienated himself from the Labour Party for all eternity now and the chances of someone outside the big two getting in remain small.
Shambles all round though. From all sides.
Surprised Chuka took the plunge. If he's the careerist we all think he is then it's a baffling move: he's basically alienated himself from the Labour Party for all eternity now and the chances of someone outside the big two getting in remain small.
Shambles all round though. From all sides.
This has to be the worst launch for a political party right? They've fecked up the labour is racist thing by immediately being racist on national TV, they've botched their Brexit criticism by having neither a coherent critique of the current policies or any position of their own on Brexit. And they've even managed to feck the generic "current leaders suck" protest that works for literally everyone by having no leadership structure.
This mob really aren't off to a great start...
Audio cut out half way through. Did she specifically mention people of a "funny tinge"?
That was what Berger said herself when asked... Owen Jones was in five live after defending it saying he sent some letters and there are many MPs he's does not have one on one chats with... Frankly as a leader of an organisation myself I'd consider it dereliction of duty not to be communicating with somebody getting the abuse she was
she said "black or funny tin*mumbles*" as the presenter asked in confusion "funny tinge?"
The launch is going well
'Mispoke' - the classic get out of jail free card that Labour* love to use
* including its splintering factions
Bid for leadership?
Hilarious how badly they have fecked up already.
BTW - What is going on with Rachel Riley on Twitter? Some people on my feed seem to actively hate her.
BTW - What is going on with Rachel Riley on Twitter? Some people on my feed seem to actively hate her.