If they push for electoral reform, fair enough. If not, get fecked.
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Angela Smith just killed this party. 
Only really seeing this on the News now.
With all the division in the Tory party, it's Labour which splits.
With all the division in the Tory party, it's Labour which splits.
Haven't seen all the names - are they all Blairites worried about deselection?
I don't think a change of party qualifies for a by election does it? But if they had any integrity they would resign which would force one. No chance of them doing that though, is there?
I don't think a change of party qualifies for a by election does it? But if they had any integrity they would resign which would force one. No chance of them doing that though, is there?
From their website
Sounds to me like they won't be pushing for election reform ... Strange you would have thought p.r. would help them... Meh perhaps they will merge with the libs and adopt a pro or stance then
Brutal.
Book it for WrestleMania. I'll buy that PPV.
Bizarre. I suspect then they are trying to break Labour so they can rebuild it neoliberally then.
"Dustbin of history" I swear I've heard that somewhere before
Oh
The party has change quite a bit it seems in the last few years.
Economical with the truth.
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This new party has to be a piss take
https://averypublicsociologist.blogspot.com/2019/02/is-independent-group-wind-up.html
The perfect end to day number 1.
Harry Potter and the Self Immolating Sack of Cnuts.
I don't quite get why they are playing at domestic politics when Brexit is the only game in town.
And having gone for this on Monday, they need some more significant action this week to even be making it into next weekend's papers.
All a bit 'Westminster bubble' stuff atm.
And having gone for this on Monday, they need some more significant action this week to even be making it into next weekend's papers.
All a bit 'Westminster bubble' stuff atm.
Because they think leaving the EU is the wrong choice and the current Labour leader blatantly wants to leave the EU?
That needs to be what happens in the rest of the week then, imo. As more get on board, presumably.
No - this ends either with Jeremy supporting a varient of May’s deal, or whipping his MP’s to abstain on a vote for it.
The only way to avoid a no deal is for Jeremy to support ‘a deal’. I therefore think he’ll have to, and then potentially more will join the splitters.
What additional action have they gained to further this though? They've all already campaigned for a PV and Labour has shown it won't discipline those going against the whip...so if they could vote as they want and debate as they want already then what's the point
Presumably they are also giving the Remainer Tories a platform to also go against their party and potentially scare both Labour and the Conservatives into listening to reason.
I'm a centrist ('Red Tory' to the bullying Momentum gang we have on the board) and I'm not overly enamoured by this split currently. If it builds traction and the numbers rumoured do defect, it could potentially be a force for good. As it stands if no one else jumps on board, it's just rubbish point scoring vs Corbyn and his cronies at a critical time and will cause more harm than good.
As far as Chuka Umunna is concerned, I think he's a careerist wally who can be trusted as far as he can be thrown. He's practically the Labour version of Gove.
Doubt that
This is what baffles me. The vast majority of Labours membership are happy with the party’s domestic policies and some even resonate with the majority of the public, Labour voting or otherwise (Bolstering NHS funding, nationalised railways etc).
The one policy pillar which drives contention amongst Labour ranks (Brexit) is one they’re pussyfooting around.
It’s clear to me this independent group consists of nothing than a bunch of charlatan career politicians are falsely masquerading under the guise of a ‘centrist’, ‘moderate’ ticket. If this was genuinely about Brexit they would have all fecked off to the Lib Dems.
Okay yeah i don't really disagree with any of that i just don't see the mentioned movement occurring those tory remainers are already quite vocal and i don't think they'll hand their party to the ERG.
If they'd have got 50 odd MPs at launch from cross-party and made it a single issue party (i.e anti-brexit) then maybe it works but as it stands they fecked it up and decided to just go anti-corbyn which is just a distraction. The wrong MPs launched this.
Its not a political party though is it? Just a small group of independent MPs?
Not that i encorage opaque organisations in UK politics, but surely someone else wouldve spotted this loophole before.
Umunna has just said they plan to form an official party this year. They’re just waiting on more to jump ship.
I’d laugh so hard if May calls a snap election before then and most of them end up losing their seats.
What if Tory candidates win?
Is Blair going to return to mainstream politics as this new party's leader? He's definitely made some noises about a return.
The fact it’s only being promoted and shared around positively by broadsheet journalists and semi relevant peak 90s media types, doesn’t bode well for its image as a non-elitist media bubble misjudgment.
Nor do its seeming core values of “racism is only really bad when it worries white middle class types” and “the youth have been betrayed over Brexit, so we’re bringing back 90s new centrism, because they’ve definitely all been clamouring for that..”
But then that isn’t to say many in the party who continue to think the path to electoral glory is an ever dwindling number of aggressive purists and online whattaboutists, didn’t have this coming.
The old left is truly back, in all it’s clusterfecking glory
Nor do its seeming core values of “racism is only really bad when it worries white middle class types” and “the youth have been betrayed over Brexit, so we’re bringing back 90s new centrism, because they’ve definitely all been clamouring for that..”
But then that isn’t to say many in the party who continue to think the path to electoral glory is an ever dwindling number of aggressive purists and online whattaboutists, didn’t have this coming.
The old left is truly back, in all it’s clusterfecking glory
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I honestly don't think he would get elected as an independent. Wasn't some polling done which showed that he's pretty uniformly reviled across every demographic of the electorate?
I'm afraid what's happening now makes anything that went before look good - Blair, Thatcher....
Aren't the Independents saying they are looking to form a party later in the year? Might be wrong about that.
What the feck is he wearing? Do real people actually dress like that these days? Also. Why is he being interviewed in a pub? Someone missed a trick by not borrowing a whippet and/or some homing pigeons...
Isn't it weird the way "centrist" has almost become a term of abuse? As though we have to hold extreme views, to the right or the left, or not be taken seriously.
Can I blame social media?
Can I blame social media?
Blame Centrists .Who for decades ignored those who are now fed up with status quo politics.
I think Centrism the term describes a position which is further to the right now, than it was in 1997 at least. Although there has been polarisation on both sides of the political spectrum, I don't think the traditional centre ground has remained constant. Rightly or wrongly this has led it to come under fire from those on the left.
Or why not blame the extremists who have lied to those fed up with the status quo politics by telling them that it's the centrists and the EU who are to blame for their problems?
Who are these extremists you talk about. Both career Labour and Conservatives politicians ignored a large section of the working class .
The centrists, the EU, immigrants, corporations, Jews, the liberal elite, state-funded conspiracies, take your pick...
Obviously, the choice of public enemy number 1 will be determined by the underlying politics of the individual concerned. Unfortunately, the reality of the situation - that technological progress has caused a radical change to the job market, which might never be "fixed" - is too boring to rant about on Twitter or Facebook.