Can’t shoot? That’s one of his better qualities:
The majority of those goals were from 15 yards out.
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Can’t shoot? That’s one of his better qualities:
The majority of those goals were from 15 yards out.
Linked with Arsenal in the Daily Fail this morning
Like I said he doesn't have a good passing range, but in generally he makes good passes.
No one knows what Jones is on but he keeps getting brought up. Looked up the Jones thread and some say 50k to 80k, half of what Herrera is reportedly asking. Every one wants the club to restore sanity to its wage structure till it's their favourite player up for renewal.
Would be a Shame to lose Ander and keep Matic. It is clear as day to see which one is declining rapidly
If he's asking for too much money or too long a length of a contract then the club are absolutely right to hold their ground. I like Ander as a player but he's massively overrated by United fans.
He's by no means irreplaceable
He's by no means irreplaceable
This thread highlights the problem with the Youtube highlights generation. Every one of our best teams has had a Nicky Butt, Darren Fletcher or Michael Carrick in the middle doing the dirty work. You don't need or want a team full of stars spraying passes around. Somebody has to be there to stitch it all together and for this team that's Herrera. He's not the best player we've ever had but it's no surprise our best football over the past years has been when he's in the team.
There isn't a lot of players that can definitely replace him, the likes of Matuidi, Allan, Vidal, Partey or @bucky's son aka Rodri aren't easy targets because it's not even sure that they want to move and while money can be a motivation it's not always enough when players are in good clubs.
Two different positions though. But yeah, both those are problem positions now.
Anyway, I am cautiously optimistic Ole has a plan, even if Ed doesn't. The fact is, the bump from 100K to 150K isn't much if we are really desperate to keep Ander and are starved for options in the market. Surely we must have earmarked a replacement to be so "take-it-or-leave-it" about the whole thing.
A lot of hopeful presuming in this post. We've seen how badly run we are, I wish I had your optimism.
Also Ole's plan means very little with Ed in charge, I'm sure Jose had a plan, at the end of the day, it still goes through him.
The numbers seem to indicate Ander wants 200+ (or thereabouts) with PSG offering 170. I can't for the life of me see the logic of paying out this much, as much as I love the man. The issue with watching his highlights alone is the same as with any other player - it's easy to look good with these snatches (Memphis comes to mind...).
Ander is good, but a limited player and by no means irreplaceable. There's also no need for a "like for like" replacement - a lesson United fans should have learned when we got in Carrick, who wasn't an outright replacement for anyone, but improved us manifold. We desperately need to prune our squad and also restore sanity to our wage structure. I'd have liked to keep Ander, but not at this cost (continuing and even aggravating the distortion in our structure). He and Mata can go (Mata should go anyway). If you take the sentiment out of it, our midfield needs upgrades and depth. Fred may develop more (hope he does) and we'll also certainly buy (Rabiot? Bruno?) - plus we should hopefully see lads like Garner stepping up (Gomes?). There is no justification for keeping hold of players that enjoy "cult" status, but who lack the genuine quality to drive us to the very top.
Ander is good, but a limited player and by no means irreplaceable. There's also no need for a "like for like" replacement - a lesson United fans should have learned when we got in Carrick, who wasn't an outright replacement for anyone, but improved us manifold. We desperately need to prune our squad and also restore sanity to our wage structure. I'd have liked to keep Ander, but not at this cost (continuing and even aggravating the distortion in our structure). He and Mata can go (Mata should go anyway). If you take the sentiment out of it, our midfield needs upgrades and depth. Fred may develop more (hope he does) and we'll also certainly buy (Rabiot? Bruno?) - plus we should hopefully see lads like Garner stepping up (Gomes?). There is no justification for keeping hold of players that enjoy "cult" status, but who lack the genuine quality to drive us to the very top.
Its a bit meh he cant run with the ball, ok he does bits and pieces with one two touches but he not a typical spanish passer.He lacks enough quality or range or vision in his passing to be that type but just ok of all that mentioned.Why he doesnt play in a national team if he is such a quality player.He is good but nowhere near good enough to be considered as irreplaceable to our team.Future squad player ok but nothing more.
Yes, he has done some good passing or assists and goals but nothing often enough that would make you say he is class or irreplaceable.Again good player with some good movement, energy and character but not someone game changing.
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You obviously watch football in other ways than the majority in here
I think we need more quality in our middle and Herrera is definitely not free from criticism. He's had good periods and bad periods each season he's been here and has been all round a decent player. But whether he's to play the 6 or 8 position, we can find a better player imo.
The main problem is that i think we need to take some responsibility from Pogba in the middle and find another player that offers a threat. This is where Herrera is coming up short. He's definitely more useful when there is a specific job to do on an opposition player, but when the task is break down the opposition, he's not your man. And that's like 90% of games for us.
The main problem is that i think we need to take some responsibility from Pogba in the middle and find another player that offers a threat. This is where Herrera is coming up short. He's definitely more useful when there is a specific job to do on an opposition player, but when the task is break down the opposition, he's not your man. And that's like 90% of games for us.
The idea with Rodrigo was always to replace Matic for me, while I wanted NDombele instead of Fred last summer for the other #8 spot. I don't think Rodrigo is realistic, especially since he's just been there one season, but if his release clause is relatively reasonable, I'd love us to at least try to sign him. If we lose Herrera though, I am not sure what we should do, because this summer I wanted us to go for NDombele and let Herrera compete with Matic. In another thread I suggested Sangare to compete with Matic and Rabiot as Herrera's replacement. I also like Neves, Cyprien and Fabian Ruiz.
What would you want us to do in case we lose him?
People saying losing Herrera isn't an issue are forgetting just how much we need to improve our squad before we consider replacing what we already have.
Replacing Herrera in this market would take spending similar amounts as we did on Fred. I'm not sure our budget can take a hit like that and still find us a top CB, winger, midfielder and RB.
Replacing Herrera in this market would take spending similar amounts as we did on Fred. I'm not sure our budget can take a hit like that and still find us a top CB, winger, midfielder and RB.
Fred was in the team that won in Paris, and was integral. He's shown that his top level is at least as good as Ander's already. If consistency can be developed (something Ander hasn't even shown over the course of more than a few months), then we have our replacement don't we? Not that I really want him gone, because we do need depth, but I do think his replacement is already here.
Remember the talk that we've "overhauled" our scouting department and hired 1000s of scouts? Remember In-and-out Ribalta? And all we have to show for it is fecking Fred.
Oh yes, I completely trust the people running this club to replace players, how could I not.
Oh yes, I completely trust the people running this club to replace players, how could I not.
Not really.
Fred would maybe be a good replacement for Herrera if he didn't already play for us. Right now we have Pogba, Fred, McT, Matic and Pereira covering 3 places. That's not enough for a full season, as our last few games suggest.
We need to adding quality to this, not letting players go and expecting to find internal replacements.
We've had a great run of form under Ole so far, but lets not forget that we need a lot of work done to seriously compete with City and Liverpool. Losing Herrera for a free does not take us closer to our biggest rivals.
Yea, I do agree with that. We need both more quality in the first XI and better depth throughout the squad. Herrera should be a part of that.
I was thinking about Liverpool's midfield, and while I think Wignaldum has earned the designation of being a standout player, the rest of their midfield is basically made up of 6-7 players on Herrera's level. Different qualities, but in general the same level of player: Henderson, Fabinho, Milner, Keita, Ox, Lallana, Shaqiri even. They obviously don't play the same way Herrera does, but they are each solid in the same way Herrera is and can slot into their midfield when needed. We, on the other hand, have one standout player and I would say 2 solid players in Herrera and Fred. It's such a huge difference.
Losing Herrera isn't a problem, but having to buy a replacement when there are a couple positions where you already needed to buy players stretches the transfer budget. Thought with a couple good signings you would be competing for the title next season. Will still see how the summer goes, but think losing Herrera definitely makes the transfer window a lot trickier.
The biggest issue is he would cost money to replace. Whatever that cost is comes out of the Summer transfer budget and is something we could well do without. He is easily good enough to be a squad member if not first choice and doesn't seem the type to rock the boat if left out.
Letting him go for no transfer fee would be the icing on the cake. I don't understand anyone not being happy enough with him being a squad player.
Letting him go for no transfer fee would be the icing on the cake. I don't understand anyone not being happy enough with him being a squad player.
Of course he scored some, but most outside of the box are deflected as you can see.Not much power or technique when shooting.Looks so awkward when shooting,like he is going to break a leg when shooting.Other goals against Preston and other b sides
What I have been saying about him that is not truth?Obviously good player who have his qualities and can be used against some opposition when we lead and we need energy ,character,someone not prone too many mistakes in possesion,simple passes or against top side to be someone pushing,pressing but again we miss a lot technical side from our midfield,someone who can take and turn a player and shoot or make forward pass not just sideways and that technical side is very important if you want to win something and be competitive again like we are meant to.
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He hasnt scored lots of goals because he hasnt played in that role since his first season at United, after which Scholes said he can be United's next goalscoring midfielder like he was. He hasnt passed lots of balls forward because LVG's philosophy was about retaining the ball and always passing sideways. Likewise with Mourinho none of our midfielders were passing forward.
As soon as Ole came in and was talking about us being more creative and passing forward, straight away Matic and Ander were passing forward well. Ander being one of our best players since then. Then he had his injury and he's still getting back into the swing of things since then
Wishful thinking on your part I would say. The idea that he’s shown his top level is the same calibre as Herrera’s (at least), is laughable. Fred has plenty to prove, Herrera is our second best midfielder after Pogba.
Agree on the Fred part. But I think we should have the option of using Herrera/Fred for every game. One is slightly more defensive and the other more attacking. Fred hasn't proved himself enough to be a starter week in week out and we should be able to rotate the both. Our only concern should be looking for someone to take Matic's position.
Of course not. Fred did well under the circumstances but that was it. Ander has played far better than that in our big matches. And Ander won our player of the year in 16-17 because he had a great season, not a few months. Maybe you only watched us for a few months, that would explain it
You haven't come across as objective at any point in this Herrera debate.
That's a massive massive stretch, and I'd be surprised if you find many people who agree with you on that.
Maybe we will find something out from Ole's press conference. Ole is pretty honest about what is happening round the club.
Coming from you who thinks a decent performance is better than the loads of great performances Ander has in our big matches. He's our usual gameraiser for those matches, almost always we can count on him to be within our best 2 players in a big match.
And you think you're in a position to suggest others arent being objective
You don't even support United fulltime. You cant seem to see the trees for the Forest.Careful you wouldnt want him to suggest that you haven't come across as objective at any point in the Herrera debate.
You know, to the guy who has decided theres a debate to be had, about one of our best players this season.
Buddy, there is more than enough to debate based on your assertions that he's some world class talent. Beyond that, pretty much every player in our team is worthy of some level of debate (not worthy of selling or letting go) considering we're a fringe Top 4 side with the second highest wage bill in Europe. Take the red tinted glasses off.
I understand the value in keeping a player like Herrera at this point in time. But the ones suggesting that we pay him whatever he wants, be it more than World Class midfielders are making at other top clubs, are taking it too far. Herrera belongs in a conversation with the likes of Gueye, Romeu, Xhaka, and Ndidi based on what he brings and his top level. You simply don't pay that kind of player Toni Kroos or Luka fecking Modric money.
Can you quote me where I said he's a world class talent? If not, can you please stop making things up.
they should be playing in the same midfield. why we didn't see Herrera+Fred combo yet is baffling. Fred is better passer and distributing the ball, herrera is better defending and doing the dirty work. both of them can press and cover ground. I guess one of these games we'll stumble on it and everyone will wonder why it never happened before.
I’ll be disappointed if he goes but more disappointed that he goes for free. United just do not get anything like market value for their players. It’s a complete shit show behind the scenes.
My bad, I just misunderstood the post where you said he is a midfielder without limits, and then went on to make excuses for why he's guilty of showing us so many limited phases of his game.
Where did I say he's a midfielder without limits?
I said he's not a limited player. Matic is. He does half a DM job and he passes the ball around a bit. Neither side of his role are done very well. He's neither someone who you can rely on to protect the defense nor someone who is going to be the playmaker for the team because he doesn't have that kind of vision and thrust.
Ander meanwhile is someone who does more than Matic does defensively, due to working far harder, better mobility, sensing danger and getting back to help out the defense, whilst also being a player who has shown this season he can make good runs and get on the end of chances and put the ball in the net for important goals. Someone who offers as much as Ander does would be useful for any team. So no he's in no way limited.
Your understanding of football? Maybe that is.
You said it twice in that post, after asking where you've said it before.
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