He still doesn’t back a second referendum. He only backs one in the event of a ‘damaging Tory Brexit’, which is any Tory Brexit because Brexit is damaging by default. If he by some miracle won a GE, there would be no referendum.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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He still doesn’t back a second referendum. He only backs one in the event of a ‘damaging Tory Brexit’, which is any Tory Brexit because Brexit is damaging by default. If he by some miracle won a GE, there would be no referendum.
We can all just make stuff up mate. You've not a slither of evidence to back that assertion up so why'd you'd make up a position to get angry about is beyond me.
There's still 15% of leavers polling to vote for Labour and that was previously more than double. Everyone knows that dictated Labours position until it collapsed and they left for the brexit party but no it's because Corbyn is a leaver
It’s up to Corbyn to clearly prove his position to the people whose votes he wants. He is failing to do so.
These aren't the only two positions.
I've gone over it a million times as to why Corbyn is not a leave supporter and why he can't personal stop Brexit(We've had this argument before as to why Corbyn can't force tories to vote against their own party). If your angry at Corbyn for not wrapping himself in a EU flag and failing to press the STOP BREXIT BUTTON. Then I'll blame your understanding of politics rather than Corbyn view on brexit.
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Sure, because Jeremy’s genius political instincts are paying great dividends in the polls.
What I found very interesting given the fact that the 'narrative' seems to be that Corbyn would ruin Labour's chances of winning a General Election, is that Boris was running a "Only Boris can beat Corbyn" campaign. I am no expert on British politics or polling having never lived there, and we know Boris is a bullshitter and a liar so take of it what you will, but that certainly caught my eye.
Any twat could win an election right now, look at Trump or Ukraine. All bets are off as the digital age overtakes the politics we’ve been used to for 75 years or so, we’re coming to terms with a new age.
Did you not read my post ?
Its not Complex.
Corbyn is just saying Remain is far less harmful than a hard Brexit or a poor deal Tory Brexit.
Corbyn is just saying Remain is far less harmful than a hard Brexit or a poor deal Tory Brexit.
Who would perform better in a snap GE vs BJ:
Corbyn
Starmer
Thornberry
Because feck you if staying principled means we get another 8 years of Tories.
Corbyn
Starmer
Thornberry
Because feck you if staying principled means we get another 8 years of Tories.
that's the main issue... No matter how crap the Tories are right now there's still no viable opposition in the labour ranks. A proper labour party would have wiped the floor with Theresa May.
And yet saying that brings the wrath of the left down on you. I don’t even want Corbynsm, but it’s impossible to go from where we are now to there without an in between stage...
Cue everyone saying neolib 1997-200x was the inbetween stage.
My opinion isn't designed to incur wrath, I would love a viable labour party but this isn't one.
I know you’d like to think this is 4d tactical chess from Corbyn but it is weak leadership at best and deceptive at worst.
''There are other circumstances that could occur'' does mean we are going to brexit behind everyones backs, you know this right ? The person literally said they would support Remain.
He’s effectively asking remainers to vote for a party that doesn’t believe in remain.
unless they win the GE at which point they stick a customs union on the W.A. and campaign for leave right?.
If they campaign for remain immediately after a GE then they might as well campaign in the GE for revoke because they need to at least try and get a deal that people could vote for in a referendum and they can't say "we'll try and get a deal but will definitely campaign against it". If they did campaign in a GE for revoke that would make them the most extreme remain party even more so than the lib dems. And they can't be as fecking dumb as the lib Dems who want a remain Vs no deal referendum.
Yeah. Ok
I suspect they try and fudge it - allow a free vote and take no official party line and therefore pitch as mostly leave in the north and remain in the south.
that said if somehow they do get in I can only see it in coalition with the libs and SNP who Im pretty sure would be against anything other than remain... you could then see enough labour leave and tory votes to leave us in the same situation now where there would be a majority against anything but probably not a majority for something
That said I think a hard brexit Ge manifestio with an electoral pact with brexit party and johnson would get a big majority as the remain vote would be split and labour have an incompetent turd as leader
Have said it here before.
Corbyn was not for unconditional Remain.
But he is for Remain which is better than the Brexit options the Tories are offering.
Do you mean that he's for Remain as long as he gets the same benefits of the EU without following the rules. Well as it's you Jeremy - No.
No it means Remain and reform. If you want to Remain and the EU to stay more or less as it is today then you are not left-wing.
But there's no half in , half out. You're either in or out and you can't reform from without. Plus he comes up with his six impossible tests. Sorry but not having it.
The tests are just holding the Tories to what they themselves promised, I don't think they should be taken as a realistic plan for Brexit.
The ridiculous claims by May have long been forgotten and were never possible and Corbyn's six tests came much later which were equally impossible. There is only one possible withdrawal agreement and Corbyn has voted against it every time - now is it because he wants to remain , so why not come straight out and say so. But equally he has put his six tests to a vote in parliament and has got beaten every time but still insisted afterwards that that was his plan.
What's the plan now. To put a Tory deal to a public vote but not necessarily a Labour deal and if there was a GE before the end of October would Labour go on a Remain manifesto remembering that their previous manifesto was to honour the referendum and leave. it's like some dodgy crook ducking and diving in the shadows.
Why because he's trying to keep all labour voters happy but can't.
Perhaps you are happy with the EU as is.
Many are not. Yes. We need to reform. But that wont happen with the Tories will it?
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The referendum was a Tory political ploy that backfired.
They wont suffer.
Just a whole lot of innocent people.
If only there were a recent example of an electorate voting for a candidate they thought was dishonest and a joke over someone else...
Depends what you want to reform. If Corbyn wants to reform it so that he can nationalise everything, especially lost causes like British Steel, then he has no chance. Nor if he wants to split the 4 freedoms.
However, if he wants to reform anything he can't reform it from outside, the Tories do not control the EU. First of all the UK system needs to be reformed.
Yes the referendum was a Tory ploy that backfired but the people fell for it and went along with it and believed all the lies and they are going to suffer for it. Difficult to have sympathy with people who have voted for their own downfall.
Ignorance is no excuse.
All the things Corbyn wants to do for the UK that he says the Tories have ignored, welfare, NHS ,police etc, he's got to have money for it and not backing wholeheartedly remain means the UK will leave probably without a deal. If the UK get through it better than the 2008 crash they'll be doing well.
Corbyn's actions do not add up and trying please everyone will eventually lead to pleasing no-one.
Labour should be as thick as the Lib Dems who want a remain vs no deal referendum I guess.
I don't agree with any sort of referendum. But for the one in 2016 Labour should have been clearly pro-Remain. The Uk will leave with no deal and Corbyn will still be wondering what to do. The whole thing will have passed him by.
Labour have to at least show they have tried to respect the referendum result. Campaigning on trying to get a deal that meets Starmer's six tests + 2nd referendum is the most logical thing to do that won't be even more divisive for the country than Brexit already is. They can't campaign on a 2nd referendum if they are implying (by fully supporting remain at this point) that they wouldn't even try to get a deal that meets the tests.
Asking Labour to campaign on revoking article 50 is fecking ridiculous by the way, even the Lib Dems who don't have to worry about actually getting in power and are instead focusing on stealing remainer votes from Labour aren't doing that. Give your head a shake.
Who said about revoking A50- that's not going to happen. A referendum's not going to happen and if there is a GE before the UK leave, Labour will be lucky to get third place. The Starmer's six tests are childishly stupid even more ridculous than May's idiocy at the beginning. What exactly are Labour trying to achieve. What Corbyn's been all his career, just a littlenuisance cos there's no way in the current climate he's getting anywhere near no.10 even with the pathetic group of current Tory politicans.
I see you missed out the other part and for a hypothetical situation. PS there's more than one subject in an election, of course I wasn't aware of the level of intelligence of the average voter, which I discovered in the run up to the referendum and which has not changed since.
By the way there's no way on earth I would have ever voted for Corbyn as if you hadn't guessed. Your Gif sums him up, a man of no action.
You literally just said you don't agree with any sort of referendum. Do you even have a point or do you just like ranting pointlessly.
My original point was replying to a point about Corbyn supposedly being pro remain but reform - the 2016 referendum but ever since has not been pro remain- I didn't agree with the 2016 referendum either but it happened.
Which part do you not understand, I know defending Corbyn is extremely difficult.
Calling him a man of no action is too generous, makes it sound like it was his own autonomous decision.