SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[JMack1234]

I thought we just had to put our grown up pants on?

We'll certainly need such undergarments for the excruciating moral choice that is heading straight for us and I'm keeping numerous pairs of grown up pants ready for when we arrive at this difficult cross road.

In terms of the lockdown, it was overwhelming support right now so it's a moot point. If public opinion turns then in my view a government of a democratic country is going to find it very hard to maintain a lockdown.

It's a moot point anyway, the reports from the well connected journalists indicate the public like the lockdown more than government do at the moment.

 

[Revaulx]

This is happening too often. It’s about time religious leaders took responsibility and closed down.

Well the big organised religious groups have been closed down for weeks. The Archbishop of Canterbury has even banned his own priests from entering their own churches, even if their houses are physically joined to them.

 

[golden_blunder]

Then you haven't looked closely at the US justice system where innocent people are locked up and even executed often enough to make it a huge concern. Then there are all the incidences of police brutality, illegal shootings by cops, false arrests, evidence tampering, and conspiracy that frequently impact innocent people.

More power leads to abuse of power.

All this from a tracking app? Bit of a stretch

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

Brilliant suggestions, the government have really been piss poor on the educational side, I work full time and have 4 children a 6 year old, 5 year old, 2 and a 1 year old. How the feck are me or my missus supposed to fully educate the older 2 whilst the 2 little ones are running about needing constant supervision.

The school's don't seem to have got much help or guidance on what to do as it has took them 3 or 4 weeks (however long schools have been closed for, I forget) to get an app together to help with home learning.

Honestly man, it’s not fcuking hard to do MILLIONS of percentage points better than they’re doing.

Principally because they’re trying to answer the question : “How do we get back to normal”

(+/-) April to September = 5-7 months of schooling

We don’t need normal.

Parents need relief.
Kids need leadership.

The news is shit. The papers are shit. Social media is shit.

I didn’t want to give examples as it would seem as though I'm judging people.

But would it really be that hard to task Stormzy (assume he’s the biggest UK star right now) to work with 50 samples online, have a producer walk and talk through beat timing, musical composition, host a YouTube live, throw in some stories about getting in to music, and after 8 hours in 4 weeks have a 3 minute song made. Kids can throw together something in the same time. Lyrical, music only, whatever. You don’t need the 30 kids from Class 3B to watch. You need the 4 kids from all of the Class 3B’s in the country to watch.

In these times we are so far apart, we can digitally bring together those with common interests.

Kids don’t need super polished content to learn. Let presenters mess up, laugh, be humans.

You could combine this content with Public Service Announcements.

IT’S. So. Fcuking. Simple.

This desperation to open schools will see children’s time wasted. Give them paths of learning. That’s it.

My 11 year old niece HATED cooking. Hated eggs. Ate sh1te food. After a weekend with us she went home, made her mum scrambled eggs on toast. Eggs, cream, salt, pepper, butter, chilli flakes, a few herbs on toast. Her mum thought it was witchcraft. No. I just had time to teach a kid something. I am not a teacher. I spilled things, had to throw an egg away. I didn’t have to worry about life and and and.

We do not need great teachers right now. Teachers need a break, they need to be at home, safe, until classrooms are safe.

We cannot make parents into teachers. They are good at all the other things that puts food on the table, and good at being parents.

What we CAN do, is give society some kind of loose, band-aid learning path to keep kids engaged and parents sane for a few hours every day.

The Government is fcuking this up. More than it’s fcuking up the Virus response.

 

[golden_blunder]

What a ridiculous twisting of my words.

Let me guess your the type of person who doesn't fly just incase?

I love flying

 

[golden_blunder]

No. People don’t need to die. Not at scale. We should never accept that.

We have to grow up and take personal responsibility. Realise that the government is not our friend. Nor will it protect us to a standard that we try to protect people we love.

I will not be the cause of anyone else getting sick.

I will not take public transport until this is under control. I’ll ride my bike.

I won’t be booking international travel for well over a year. I can find joys in this country with a degree of safety.

I won’t be going to internal gatherings at pubs.

I won’t be booking gig tickets.

I’m willing for life to be a little less fun, until there’s some semblance of calm and understanding.

The problem is selfish people putting faith in the government. All they need is a little suggestion that things will be relaxed and they start doing everything that got us in this mess. If everyone realised that personal responsibility should trump guidelines from total strangers in Westminster, we’d all be a lot safer.

well said

 

[Kag]

The papers are wrong.

My local schools have already told Year 11 that they’re never coming back. The final year of infant school has been cancelled too.

This must surely be the case in many other towns/counties.

Schools may start taking children in, butI would expect that to be a surgical decision by region, down to town and village level. Restrictions on catchment area - no travelling more than X miles to get to school would be a huge consideration.

You’ve got to contain and manage. Some will be dealt a worse hand than their friends at school, but that’s how it needs to be.

Which school, which local authority and what is the context of the school setting, out of curiosity? Unless it’s a private institution with greater control of their settings, it would be irresponsible of schools to be issuing statements such as this when there is no government guidance from the DfE to say so.

Year 11 not returning is understandable. Many pupils were due to leave upon exam completion irrespective.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

well said

Should also have added;

- I will also be TOTALLY fine with a remote part of Cornwall/Wales/Scotland being on a different set of restrictions to London. For months on end.

- I will also be TOTALLY fine with an importance or means-tested return to work. If the government turned around and said [deliberately extreme example] “We’re closing the M25 for 3 months, widening it, fixing it, all workers will be protected and insured, group sizes managed”.... Go for it. Important things for the long-term economy would have fewer barriers now. Act on them.

People seem To need absolute equality. That’s nuts. The economy isn’t equal. London has the largest number of remote workers. They can suffer stricter measures, for longer. Some towns may have zero cases. Tell them how to co trim things. Test them lots. First sign of danger, change policy.

We can’t apply blanket rules and expect fast results. Fast changes can only occur regionally by exception and a proof threshold

 

[golden_blunder]

What?
That was my point mate. We don't have cities comprised of apartment blocks. It's fecking EASY to lockdown an apartment block. Full lockdown isn't coming mate, deal with it and accept it. They can barely police a partial lockdown, if they were capable of implementing it they would have done so. I genuinely hope you're okay when this ends because you don't seem like you're going to handle a return to life very well judging by the nature of your posts.

I take your point but it can still be done. It’s done in Spain, Italy and France. People need permission slips to be out and about or you’re fecked. It’s just that in UK and Ireland we believe our governments could never do that to the people. Why? Push come to shove, if they need to enforce it they can. Address the nation, tell them it’s happening and anyone on the streets who shouldn’t be will be forcibly detained. You’ll see empty streets pretty soon.

I stress though it’s not what im advocating. I’m just arguing that it’s entirely possible to do

 

[golden_blunder]

Are the moderators following this thread at all? No problems at all with what is being posted?

Use the report function, the thread is moving fast

 

[Acole9]

This guy doing the briefing today is a bit of a drip isn't he, I think they've got him there to bore the ass off everyone so they switch off. He's making Alok Sharma look like he's full of charisma. Makes you wonder how some of these ministers get these jobs.

 

[golden_blunder]

Well the big organised religious groups have been closed down for weeks. The Archbishop of Canterbury has even banned his own priests from entering their own churches, even if their houses are physically joined to them.

But still happening in US and Asian countries to an extent from reports that I’ve read

 

[Fluctuation0161]

I can see a lot of people milking this and being "unfit to work" due to the mental scarring from the pandemic, obviously some will be affected, but a lot of wasters will try milking it too, just so they don't have to goto work.

Glad to see you have really prioritised the main problem stemming from this event.

 

[adexkola]

My friend has it apparently. Offered to drop off some soup and water later.

My landlord is a home aid nurse. She asked me to turn down music yesterday evening because she wasn't feeling well. I wake up this morning and hear her coughing in the unit above me. So being a concerned tenant I googled "what happens when your landlord dies"... Hope she is good but won't be going up there until rent is due in 2 weeks!

 

[SalfordRed18]

My friend has it apparently. Offered to drop off some soup and water later.

My landlord is a home aid nurse. She asked me to turn down music yesterday evening because she wasn't feeling well. I wake up this morning and hear her coughing in the unit above me. So being a concerned tenant I googled "what happens when your landlord dies"... Hope she is good but won't be going up there until rent is due in 2 weeks!

 

[Kag]

When the government decides to loosen the restrictions and request that (some) businesses and schools return to action, they’re going to have to be incredibly good at communicating why. I feel there is a growing (albeit well-intentioned) misunderstanding of the repercussions that continuous lockdown will have on the economy. In short, prolonged periods of this will lead to significantly more deaths elsewhere.

People need to accept that social distancing will remain for a long time. They need to understand that life will not go on as it were a mere month ago. But they must also accept that this virus will remain in the community and that it must be managed. By that, I mean that people will continue to die. It sounds rather galling to acknowledge, but it’s the economic reality.

Where the government has undeniably failed is in the procurement and distribution of PPE and the ability to test and contact trace. The care homes situation is a disgrace. Improving these aspects of the response will be crucial towards ensuring that the current restrictions can be gradually loosened. Further (planned) lockdowns on an intermittent basis would also ensure that our healthcare services aren’t overwhelmed.

The latter is speculation on my part. But the communication towards reopening has to be better than the communication in the build up to closure.

 

[golden_blunder]

The government is being exposed for the blunt instrument that it is on the education front.

Honestly I’d have expected it to reach out to television networks. Have a few STEM and PE tv programs rolled out, just 2 or 3 a week. Popular faces of tv rolled into the odd home existence.

- A science program to show 5-10 year olds how to make bouncy balls
- A popular footballer talking about keepy uppies
- An athlete talking about keeping fit and how walking is important
- Someone talking about phases of the moon, advising kids to look out the window every night.
- A musician talking about song structure, beats, how to play an instrument

I’m not saying the National Curriculum isn’t important.

But there’s also a chasm between Nothing, and 5 Days a week school.

1 Day a week seems to be waaaaay to close to the latter, than a sensible starting point.

Shit, weaponise this thing. Math and English is hard at a distance. Breed creativity. Get supermarkets selling 8 colour paint and paper at £1. Have a fcuking National Rainbow Unicorn painting competition. Collate responses. Put them on tv. Have a website that cycles through creations every 10 seconds. Get kids to record 15 seconds to a camera. Put that somewhere. Have some basic cooking shows on. Every kid should leave this with the ability to make an Omlette. Right now there are 14 year olds that can’t boil a fcuking egg. Have understandable 13 year olds read 5 year olds books on an approved .gov YouTube channel. Let kids help each other. Give them a structure outside of ‘When will school open mum’.

You can bring people together, help out parents and stop kids feeling isolated without gambling anyone’s health.

Trying to use existing structures right now is just so painfully stupid. Like, blood boiling stupidity.

I don’t need to see someone walk in their garden. I really don’t. I don’t care about it. It doesn’t help me. It doesn’t really help society. It reduces us all to look at one persons existence. It’s looking through the wrong end of the telescope. It’s generating ad revenue online and letting people consume more nonsensical shite.

Great post.

 

[sammsky1]

This is happening too often. It’s about time religious leaders took responsibility and closed down.

Seems like leaders are making the required statements and providing responsible leadership. Question is if their following will listen.

 

[utdalltheway]

This guy doing the briefing today is a bit of a drip isn't he, I think they've got him there to bore the ass off everyone so they switch off. He's making Alok Sharma look like he's full of charisma. Makes you wonder how some of these ministers get these jobs.

You can have Trump for a while. He’ll be more ‘entertaining’.
Word to the wise though; he’ll give you no real and helpful information.

 

[Ludens the Red]

This is my biggest problem with the UK's response. You are not in lockdown. People are still allowed out pretty much as and when they please, and it's barely being enforced. That's very different to what has been going on in other countries and it seems to be giving everybody a false sense of security.




Viral load also relates to the time it takes for the virus to reach a specific level in your blood. Unless you know that both of you took in the exact same quantity there's no way to know that you weren't exposed to a much higher initial dose and therefore the virus propogated in your bloodstream faster. Some indications suggest this is what is happening to nurses and why a lot are getting very sick.

So you don’t actually live in the Uk and you’re telling us we’re not in lockdown? Maybe you need to come and spend a day in London at the moment and see . What are you expecting ? Police and the army to be following people around whenever they leave the house? Armed officers at the communal entrance of every residential block? Would that then be categorised as a ‘lockdown’ ?

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

I can see a lot of people milking this and being "unfit to work" due to the mental scarring from the pandemic, obviously some will be affected, but a lot of wasters will try milking it too, just so they don't have to goto work.

Can you?

Well I can see oodles of people earning 6 figures not being able to ask simple yes/no questions on national television during a briefing that’s the only clear line of site to future policy and current conditions.

They are creating a system that’s failing people.

If people choose to reward their slack-arseholed leadership with deceit and fraud.... I can understand why.

 

[Heardy]

So you don’t actually live in the Uk and you’re telling us we’re not in lockdown? Maybe you need to come and spend a day in London at the moment and see . What are you expecting ? Police and the army to be following people around whenever they leave the house? Armed officers at the communal entrance of every residential block? Would that then be categorised as a ‘lockdown’ ?

Cmon. This is not really a lockdown!! other countries definitely have a more of an enforced approach.

You can effecticely leave for a walk and be out all day if you wanted albeit there’s nowhere to really go.

If we were locked down, we’d be allowed out once a week at a set period of time for trips to pharmacy or supermarket. Spot checks with ID compulsory ensuring only out when we should be.

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

This guy doing the briefing today is a bit of a drip isn't he, I think they've got him there to bore the ass off everyone so they switch off. He's making Alok Sharma look like he's full of charisma. Makes you wonder how some of these ministers get these jobs.

He is.

I don't mind Sharma though - I'd rather have a quiet politician who's half decent at his job (I don't know if he is) than an idiot who makes good TV watching.

(Not picking out any specific politicians/ Presidents)

 

[sammsky1]

Cmon. This is not really a lockdown!! other countries definitely have a more of an enforced approach. You can effectively leave for a walk and be out all day if you wanted albeit there’s nowhere to really go.
If we were locked down, we’d be allowed out once a week at a set period of time for trips to pharmacy or supermarket. Spot checks with ID compulsory ensuring only out when we should be.

You're right, Not only was UK very late with its lock down order, but its also a very half arsed attempt at it. And that's why we can't expect to get results anywhere close to what the likes of China, Singapore or Germany have recorded.

Only time will tell why BJ chose this strategy, and if British public are bothered much at its consequences.

 

[Sparky Rhiwabon]

The government is being exposed for the blunt instrument that it is on the education front.

Honestly I’d have expected it to reach out to television networks. Have a few STEM and PE tv programs rolled out, just 2 or 3 a week. Popular faces of tv rolled into the odd home existence.

- A science program to show 5-10 year olds how to make bouncy balls
- A popular footballer talking about keepy uppies
- An athlete talking about keeping fit and how walking is important
- Someone talking about phases of the moon, advising kids to look out the window every night.
- A musician talking about song structure, beats, how to play an instrument

I’m not saying the National Curriculum isn’t important.

But there’s also a chasm between Nothing, and 5 Days a week school.

1 Day a week seems to be waaaaay to close to the latter, than a sensible starting point.

Shit, weaponise this thing. Math and English is hard at a distance. Breed creativity. Get supermarkets selling 8 colour paint and paper at £1. Have a fcuking National Rainbow Unicorn painting competition. Collate responses. Put them on tv. Have a website that cycles through creations every 10 seconds. Get kids to record 15 seconds to a camera. Put that somewhere. Have some basic cooking shows on. Every kid should leave this with the ability to make an Omlette. Right now there are 14 year olds that can’t boil a fcuking egg. Have understandable 13 year olds read 5 year olds books on an approved .gov YouTube channel. Let kids help each other. Give them a structure outside of ‘When will school open mum’.

You can bring people together, help out parents and stop kids feeling isolated without gambling anyone’s health.

Trying to use existing structures right now is just so painfully stupid. Like, blood boiling stupidity.

I don’t need to see someone walk in their garden. I really don’t. I don’t care about it. It doesn’t help me. It doesn’t really help society. It reduces us all to look at one persons existence. It’s looking through the wrong end of the telescope. It’s generating ad revenue online and letting people consume more nonsensical shite.

A large number of poorer households don't have computers or access to the internet. Also, many parents won't encourage their kids to do any of this. Schools are a physical environment to level this playing field, and provide a semblance of structure in their otherwise chaotic lives

 

[sammsky1]

'THERE'S NO PANDEMIC': People across the U.S., many of whom are vocal Trump supporters, are protesting stay-at-home orders.
COVID-19 has killed more than 37,000 people in America within the last 7 weeks.
Should be viewable here if below facebook link doesnt work: https://video-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v...=2beed8f0e93e87fdcd4afa82cea80fa8&oe=5EC0CFB2

 

[Josep Dowling]

Honestly man, it’s not fcuking hard to do MILLIONS of percentage points better than they’re doing.

Principally because they’re trying to answer the question : “How do we get back to normal”

(+/-) April to September = 5-7 months of schooling

We don’t need normal.

Parents need relief.
Kids need leadership.

The news is shit. The papers are shit. Social media is shit.

I didn’t want to give examples as it would seem as though I'm judging people.

But would it really be that hard to task Stormzy (assume he’s the biggest UK star right now) to work with 50 samples online, have a producer walk and talk through beat timing, musical composition, host a YouTube live, throw in some stories about getting in to music, and after 8 hours in 4 weeks have a 3 minute song made. Kids can throw together something in the same time. Lyrical, music only, whatever. You don’t need the 30 kids from Class 3B to watch. You need the 4 kids from all of the Class 3B’s in the country to watch.

In these times we are so far apart, we can digitally bring together those with common interests.

Kids don’t need super polished content to learn. Let presenters mess up, laugh, be humans.

You could combine this content with Public Service Announcements.

IT’S. So. Fcuking. Simple.

This desperation to open schools will see children’s time wasted. Give them paths of learning. That’s it.

My 11 year old niece HATED cooking. Hated eggs. Ate sh1te food. After a weekend with us she went home, made her mum scrambled eggs on toast. Eggs, cream, salt, pepper, butter, chilli flakes, a few herbs on toast. Her mum thought it was witchcraft. No. I just had time to teach a kid something. I am not a teacher. I spilled things, had to throw an egg away. I didn’t have to worry about life and and and.

We do not need great teachers right now. Teachers need a break, they need to be at home, safe, until classrooms are safe.

We cannot make parents into teachers. They are good at all the other things that puts food on the table, and good at being parents.

What we CAN do, is give society some kind of loose, band-aid learning path to keep kids engaged and parents sane for a few hours every day.

The Government is fcuking this up. More than it’s fcuking up the Virus response.

BUT BUT BUT how can they compare every human being on this planet with pointless exams that 9/10 means absolutely nothing in their future lives or careers?

I think you have a very valid point.

 

[RK]

I've not seen it mentioned much (perhaps my own fault) but Vietnam seems to have done incredibly well suppressing the spread. Reading the overview it's comes across as a well-planned, dynamic response.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Vietnam

It says they've been prepared since mid-December, and activated their Emergency Epidemic Prevention Centre in January. While Boris was still shaking hands with coronavirus patients in March.

Always difficult to compare between countries, but for context Ho Chi Minh has a similar population and density to London, albeit less international mobility. Hanoi similar.

Highlights the under-preparedness of other countries - it wasn't taken seriously enough. It's understandable but governments should have teams of experts/researchers to take these things seriously by default given the monumental risk to society. Either the teams don't exist, weren't fit for purpose, or weren't listened to. It's not a coincidence that countries with experience dealing with similar viruses in the past have had some of the sharpest responses. It's been negligent of other countries not to have proactively assessed this and drawn on the experience.

It goes to show that through logical methods (organised testing, tracing and individual quarantines) the number of cases can be limited to a few thousand rather than a few hundred thousand. It spreads like a bushfire.

 

[Ludens the Red]

Cmon. This is not really a lockdown!! other countries definitely have a more of an enforced approach.

You can effecticely leave for a walk and be out all day if you wanted albeit there’s nowhere to really go.

If we were locked down, we’d be allowed out once a week at a set period of time for trips to pharmacy or supermarket. Spot checks with ID compulsory ensuring only out when we should be.

This country has never been regimental with the law. You can’t suddenly expect it to change and expect our lockdown to be like France, China and Russia.
Literally a few days ago there were people in this thread having a go at police officers for having the audacity to tell a journalism to bugger off home and not film them.
What do you think would happen if police became heavy handed?

I don’t know what People want, everywhere is shut except for supermarkets and they’re limiting entry and have security on every entrance.

Moaning about people going for multiple walks a day? Seriously ? Walking about by yourself in the open air is hardly going to be a breeding ground for the virus.

Far far too many people in this thread forming decisive opinions from behind their computer screen and sometimes in a completely different country. I mean ffs the person who quoted your comment accused the reaction to the virus at the start of the month as ‘western hysteria’. And now he’s telling everyone what they should and shouldn’t have been doing.

I’ve said this before but I’m forming my opinion based on what I see with my eyes when I am actually outside and seeing this.
I use trains to get to work, my work is literally me being outside all day and I am telling you this is a lockdown. The reduction in people on the street, on the tubes, in the supermarkets is massive.
You will always get a small minority disobeying and trying to flout the rules, but it’d be the same everywhere.

 

[pratyush_utd]

Do we have initial reports from WHO solidarity trial?

Also Remdesivir, how many countries have the ability to produce it, if it proves effective?

 

[11101]

So you don’t actually live in the Uk and you’re telling us we’re not in lockdown? Maybe you need to come and spend a day in London at the moment and see . What are you expecting ? Police and the army to be following people around whenever they leave the house? Armed officers at the communal entrance of every residential block? Would that then be categorised as a ‘lockdown’ ?

That's kind of how it is where I am, in Italy. There are police and army patrolling, and helicopters often overhead. There are regular checkpoints where you're expected to produce a document that justifies why you need to be outside. It's up to a €5000 fine/jail time if your reason isnt good enough. I go to the supermarket once a week and that's the only time I go outside. The streets are deserted.

My entire family is in the UK, as are most of my friends. Going for long walks and runs every day is not lockdown. It's also a worry when you see how slowly Italy's cases are dropping despite such drastic measures.

 

[SteveJ]

Hancock said: “Just as Lord Beaverbrook spearheaded the wartime efforts on aircraft production, the appointment of Lord Deighton will bring renewed drive and focus to coordinate this unprecedented peacetime challenge."

They don't like it up 'em, Captain Hancock.

 

[Ludens the Red]

That's kind of how it is where I am, in Italy. There are police and army patrolling, and helicopters often overhead. There are regular checkpoints where you're expected to produce a document that justifies why you need to be outside. It's up to a €5000 fine/jail time if your reason isnt good enough. I go to the supermarket once a week and that's the only time I go outside. The streets are deserted.

My entire family is in the UK, as are most of my friends. Going for long walks and runs every day is not lockdown. It's also a worry when you see how slowly Italy's cases are dropping despite such drastic measures.

Yeah British and Italian police are very different. We police by consent over here. The idea that those policies will be adopted here is naive, especially as the vast majority of people are respecting the rules of the lockdown.

Why should people not be allowed to go for a run or walk everyday? As for the last bit, maybe that tells you that regimental lockdowns aren’t the be and end all answer like a lot of people seem to think it is.

 

[711]

That's kind of how it is where I am, in Italy. There are police and army patrolling, and helicopters often overhead. There are regular checkpoints where you're expected to produce a document that justifies why you need to be outside. It's up to a €5000 fine/jail time if your reason isnt good enough. I go to the supermarket once a week and that's the only time I go outside. The streets are deserted.

My entire family is in the UK, as are most of my friends. Going for long walks and runs every day is not lockdown. It's also a worry when you see how slowly Italy's cases are dropping despite such drastic measures.

Your last point is interesting. The UK does seem to be tracking Italy in terms of deaths, give or take a few, so how can that be when Italy's lockdown is supposedly so much more severe? I've seen theories about smoking, hugging, age demographics but it still makes you wonder whether the more severe lockdown is actually achieving anything. For the record I'm in favour of enforcing the lock down rules, but I'm not a hundred percent sure I'm right.

 

[Penna]

@Leroy The Red, I may be in Italy but I have a good idea what's going on in the UK, we have family there who we talk to every day. My sister took me on a 45-min walk with her on a Whatsapp video call the other day, there were loads of people wandering around in her big town. There are restrictions, but it's not a lockdown and you can pretty much guarantee you won't get stopped by the police if you're just walking around. You're allowed to take a whole hour's exercise and even drive to get to the place where you want to exercise!

My initial point was that I can't understand why British people don't think that's sufficient freedom, as far as getting out and about is concerned. It's too much freedom, in a pandemic situation. They've even roped off the street benches here, so you don't spend any longer than is absolutely necessary outside your house. You get your essentials, you go straight home.

The UK had a lot of time to look at what was happening in Italy and act quickly. I predict that the UK will end up with a lot more deaths than Italy.

 

[Dancfc]

I love flying

Yeah British and Italian police are very different. We police by consent over here. The idea that those policies will be adopted here is naive, especially as the vast majority of people are respecting the rules of the lockdown.

Why should people not be allowed to go for a run or walk everyday? As for the last bit, maybe that tells you that regimental lockdowns aren’t the be and end all answer like a lot of people seem to think it is.

Exactly, people who are saying this isn't a lockdown are having a laugh, we're not allowed to see literally anyone. Being allowed to exercise once a day is a basic human right.

 

[RK]

That's kind of how it is where I am, in Italy. There are police and army patrolling, and helicopters often overhead. There are regular checkpoints where you're expected to produce a document that justifies why you need to be outside. It's up to a €5000 fine/jail time if your reason isnt good enough. I go to the supermarket once a week and that's the only time I go outside. The streets are deserted.

My entire family is in the UK, as are most of my friends. Going for long walks and runs every day is not lockdown. It's also a worry when you see how slowly Italy's cases are dropping despite such drastic measures.

Yeah this is a worry. Even in the best case scenarios there's been an obvious positive skew to the case 'curve'. The decline will take longer than the incline, possible multiple times longer depending on severity. Hopefully the time that's been bought since lockdown allows reintegration to take place before the equivalent point. Personally I'm not sure how that's going to work, but we'll find out.

 

[Ekkie Thump]

I haven’t seen a single Daisy today.

If I go for a walk in the park I’ll see thousands.

You can’t compare days if conditions have changed. You know this. You literally hint at the answer in Your post.

Tests doubled
Cases increased
Deaths fell

It’s bad if we have a week of that (as you assume deaths will go up in 7-14 days). But it’s not indicative of anything as it’s not a like for like comparison.

I didn't just hint at it, I stated it - but it still seems to represent a relatively unimpressive dip from our peak considering we've been confined to our homes for about 4 weeks. In the same time frame and despite much more widespread testing Italy had gone up to a peak of 6.5k cases and back down to around 4.5k. Spain had gone up to 8.2k then down 5k flat, again with more extensive testing. We've gone up to 5.9k and mosied on back down to about 5k if we're generous. This implies that the descent from our own (observable) peak is likely to be that much shallower.

Other than today's count the same sort of pattern seems to be revealing itself through the death stats too (Though day of reporting is a relatively inaccurate stat). Italy's peak in reported deaths was 919 and its fall from then on seems to be shallow but readily observable. Same is true of Spain. Ours is also apparently dropping but at an even shallower pitch.

I maintain that that is a bit shit.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

A large number of poorer households don't have computers or access to the internet. Also, many parents won't encourage their kids to do any of this. Schools are a physical environment to level this playing field, and provide a semblance of structure in their otherwise chaotic lives

Well done for missing the entire point, you’d do well in Government.

Let’s Fcuk over EVERYONE as that’s pretty easy.

 

[golden_blunder]

'THERE'S NO PANDEMIC': People across the U.S., many of whom are vocal Trump supporters, are protesting stay-at-home orders.
COVID-19 has killed more than 37,000 people in America within the last 7 weeks.
Should be viewable here if below facebook link doesnt work: https://video-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v...=2beed8f0e93e87fdcd4afa82cea80fa8&oe=5EC0CFB2

they deserve to catch it. Ignorant