Pfffftttt... what? Mike Pence said that we are in better shape now that we were back when we had 36,000 cases in a day a couple months ago. And I know he’s right, because Mike Pence said so.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Better shape for what? Frightening, just frightening.
Came here to post this. Must be an incorrect result.
And with there being no real excess deaths last year, it’s not like it will have been spreading in general population if that was the case
Mike Pence latest: "'Tis but a flesh wound."
I don't know how people feel about it in the US but I am strangely upset about the way US leaders are acting, I know that people voted for these politicians but they are making things way more diffiicult than it should have been and are provoking thousands of unnecessary deaths and most likely long term medical conditions to hundred thousands if not millions of people which will ruin many families.
In France we currently have some people who are trying to argue that the lockdown was too stringent and want sanctions against the government but we just have to look at countries like the US or to a lesser extent the UK, we could even look at some of the clusters that have appeared in France since the end of the lockdown, areas that were spared are seeing new cases.
Does anyone know the chances that UK >< Australia travel will be opened up at any point this year?
I probably won't risk it anyway, but my folks are getting on a bit and I hate to leave it so long without seeing them
I probably won't risk it anyway, but my folks are getting on a bit and I hate to leave it so long without seeing them
Well, the Trump cult is kinda hard to understand because they keep talking from under his desk...
But for the rational folks over here, yeah, we’re pretty upset.
Doubtful, probably 2021 is my guess.
I think @Wibble said that AUS wasn’t doing any international flights in or out until 2021
Actual video footage of what happens when an American... well... you know
Feel for you guys.
I wonder if the EU will make a smart decision by not allowing any planes from America enter their country. USA are royally fecked and will easily make it worse for everyone if they start travelling and ruining the hard work people are doing.
Good advice this. My own situation has me home all day every day these days with the kids but really took into the running lately. Had been going early mornings but taking an hour away to yourself about 2 in the afternoon and splitting the day in half makes a massive difference to the mind I find.
In catalan news they said that the quantities were very small but clear. Maybe not enough viral charge to spread? They still need to publish it in a scientific portal, so will see how truthful the results are
We are now at tobacco-related yearly death levels that occurred before the tobacco companies were finally beaten in court to start helping with healthcare reimbursement due to the sheer number of deaths - 500Kish a year. One has to wonder what number is too shocking for the electorate in the US. We will probably hit a healthcare apocalypse before we reach that number, but it is shocking the callousness towards such an extreme number of fatalities.
And 40% of this country is hung up on wearing masks. This is as insane as the seatbelt wearing protestations decades ago. Imagine if current firearms had no safeties & firearm-related deaths approached 500K a year. The outcry & pushback if the government tried to mandate a safety on firearms would be nuclear.
The right in this country are just horrible people.
And 40% of this country is hung up on wearing masks. This is as insane as the seatbelt wearing protestations decades ago. Imagine if current firearms had no safeties & firearm-related deaths approached 500K a year. The outcry & pushback if the government tried to mandate a safety on firearms would be nuclear.
The right in this country are just horrible people.
Explosive spiking these days. Going to be really bad at hospitals when they exceed intensive care capacity.
Between the ease of quarantine measures and the civil rights protests, shit going into the next level.
Not confirmed but I think the airlines and government think it likely that it will be mid 2021 before normal international flights start again. At the moment we aren't allowed to leave.
It wasn't very severe. Borders weren't closed, quarantine wasn't even a thing. People were moved from hospital to old people's homes without testing etc etc. It was too little, too late and very incompetent. If they had gone hard and early many lives would have been saved.
Citing 'irrational fears' of killer pandemic, Republicans fight face masks in Congress
A bitter dispute erupted in a congressional hearing room on Friday, with Republicans refusing to wear face coverings and Democrats insisting that they do so.
“Why is this so complicated?” a frustrated Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., said at one point in response to Republican intransigence, speaking through what appeared to be an N95 respirator. “There’s one thing we can do to try to protect other people when we’re together, which is put on a mask. It doesn’t cost us anything. Why would we not do that? Why is it some kind of macho thing, like, ‘If I don’t wear a mask, I’m tough’?”
Republicans did not appear to be moved by his appeals, or those of other Democrats. The charge against mask wearing was led by Rep. Mark Green, R-Tenn., a physician who was also a major in the U.S. Army. Green said he could “cite many other professionals” who advised against protective face coverings.
Green did not proceed to cite any such professionals.
I'm not it was a choice with the price being mainly in old people's live. Herd immunity without a vaccine is madness.
It is a gamble but increasingly looking like a very good one and a morally excellent one even if we don't get a vaccine (which I'm now getting fairly confident that we will fairly soon). If it becomes obvious that a vaccine will never arrive they will have to rethink but untl then seeking herd immunity or not trying to save lives is morally odious. And at the moment AU and NZ look like taking the least economic hit due to not being smashed by the virus.
The problem for places like the US and UK is that their incompetence has put them in such a shit position that it might now be not far off trying to unscramble an egg.
But that doesn't hide the fact that the UK, US and Sweden made the choices they did full well knowing they were trading lives for economics - not that they will admit it of course. The idea that the only Sweden just tried for herd immunity because they got that advice from experts is bizarre. Probably like the tame experts Boris et al. pressured into going to herd immunity (before the backflip when it became quickly apparent how idiotic that was). If economics wasn't a consideration everyone would have locked down as tight a a ducks arse. The US apart because FREEDOM and stuff.
Im probably getting the wrong end of the stick with what you are explaining but just wanted to clarify one aspect. NZ is an export based economy for the most part, tourism in the last 15 years has really taken off but the majority of the countries income is from exports. That part of the NZ economy hasnt shut down and beef for example has had larger than normal exports as other countries have increased imports from NZ. Other industries have seen slow downs caused by supply chains slowing down overseas, forestry for example has seen a slow down in exports. However for the majority of NZ exporters right now they are busy. The idea NZ has complete isolation isnt exactly true. We are all back to work here (tourism based business obviously struggling) with no restrictions apart from overseas travel but the economy because of the early and hard restrictions is now working towards recovery far sooner than most other places, the devastating impacts of the virus to our economy are not going to be any worse than the majority of the rest of the world. We arent completely isolated.
So, I guess this fecker never wore a mask when dealing with patients? What a real man. Advising against a mask when it was literally always on his face every day he was a practicing physician.
Not to mention that your PM took a moral stand to save every single life possible from day 1. NZ has shown the world how to do things - you are so lucky to be one of the few countries with a real leader in charge.
To be honest we have been lucky on a number of fronts. Lucky geographically, lucky in a leadership listening to the experts, lucky with a long warm autumn which made lockdown easier, lucky having Aussie next door who just happen to be our biggest trading partner and our largest supplier of tourists which at some point in the next year or less will end up with a trans tasman bubble, lucky with less mass use of public transport etc etc. I for one am extremely grateful but have family in the UK and do worry for them.
Where? I'm in South West France and it's like the virus never happened here. No masks, distancing, or anything really, inside or outside. It was a bit disconcerting after coming from Italy. It would not be at all surprising if there was a resurgence if the rest of the country is like this.
Both Australia and NZ had some luck but also didn't squander it. Happy I'm in Sydney and not back home. A bit stressed about the offspring who is in California though.
I was thinking about the western side of the country, specifically Vendée and Loire Atlantique who barely saw the virus but are now one of the areas with the most clusters. The South West is fine, the virus isn't really in circulation and it wasn't before the lockdown.
They should do, as we all know Trump was quick to ban anyone from the EU at the beginning. I have zero confidence in Boris trying to stand up to Trump though.
I'd be very surprised given how we seem to be bending over in the trade deal negotiations
I think the Daily Mail crowd have no excuse as even the tabloids have done a lot of shaming of people.
If there's a section unaware it can only be those who get their news just from Facebook and the big stories.
Msanwhile I'm off to visit family this weekend and it has occurred to me I've not even been in a shop in 3 month. I've got masks for service stations etc but i doubt anyone else wearing them.
Is this a recommendation or an actual ban. Many countries have implied it is/was a ban but it was actually unconstitutional. For instance Finnish person can always enter and leave Finland and government can't do anything about it, although they made it sound like it was a ban in March/April.
The global case numbers are concerning. In Europe, or at least certainly here in Germany, the overall feeling is that the pandemic is on its way out, but looking at the daily new infections above, this couldn't be farther from the facts. In many south american countries we see nearly unchecked exponential growth, and due to their own incredible stupidity and incompetence, the US are back in that regime as well.
Then of course we also currently see upticks in case numbers (slight) and reproduction rate (major) in Europe as well, so much will depend on how well we contain those new outbreaks. But even if we manage to keep our case numbers down and return to life almost like before the pandemic, the spread of the disease in north and south america will be felt economically, and the size of the global recession could still grow much more severe.
encouraging news. I’m driving all the way down to biarritz for a few weeks camping at the end of July! I figured that my risk outdoors camping next to a beach isn’t going to be any higher than Manchester!
Masks, gloves and hand-sanitiser are still in full force here in our part of Italy. You can't go into shops in the village without gloves (masks are mandatory outside as well).
We had one case right at the beginning of the outbreak, and he recovered. No other cases here, no Covid deaths (in fact, far fewer deaths than we'd normally get for such an ancient population). I think proper lockdown works ...
We had one case right at the beginning of the outbreak, and he recovered. No other cases here, no Covid deaths (in fact, far fewer deaths than we'd normally get for such an ancient population). I think proper lockdown works ...
Our situation here is terrible but I just read that Brazil and US had 46K and 45K cases respectively over the last 24 hours. What's the reason for the sudden spike in the US? I thought it was slowing down over there.
Around here masks are mandatory in public transports, malls and when you see health professionals. Smaller shops don't require them but people often have them anyway, though this week I noticed that less people wear them, I wouldn't be surprised if the heat is one of the reasons.
I assume in the USA it's because a lot of people in heavily-populated areas have decided there's no problem anymore, a message being encouraged by Trump. In Brazil, it's probably because of a criminal lack of leadership and overcrowding/extreme poverty/poor sanitation.
Loads of places are selling lightweight fabric masks for a couple of euros - they're a good alternative for when you're not going into a shop. It's well over 30 degrees here too, the masks aren't exactly what you want in these temps!