Pfffftttt... what? Mike Pence said that we are in better shape now that we were back when we had 36,000 cases in a day a couple months ago. And I know he’s right, because Mike Pence said so.Scary numbers.
Pfffftttt... what? Mike Pence said that we are in better shape now that we were back when we had 36,000 cases in a day a couple months ago. And I know he’s right, because Mike Pence said so.Scary numbers.
Pfffftttt... what? Mike Pence said that we are in better shape now that we were back when we had 36,000 cases in a day a couple months ago. And I know he’s right, because Mike Pence said so.
A new study shows that the virus could be in Barcelona a long as since March 2019
https://www.catalannews.com/society...cted-in-barcelona-water-study-from-march-2019
Thats odd
For AMERICA!!!Better shape for what? Frightening, just frightening.
Pfffftttt... what? Mike Pence said that we are in better shape now that we were back when we had 36,000 cases in a day a couple months ago. And I know he’s right, because Mike Pence said so.
Well, the Trump cult is kinda hard to understand because they keep talking from under his desk...I don't know how people feel about it in the US but I am strangely upset about the way US leaders are acting, I know that people voted for these politicians but they are making things way more diffiicult than it should have been and are provoking thousands of unnecessary deaths and most likely long term medical conditions to hundred thousands if not millions of people which will ruin many families.
In France we currently have some people who are trying to argue that the lockdown was too stringent and want sanctions against the government but we just have to look at countries like the US or to a lesser extent the UK, we could even look at some of the clusters that have appeared in France since the end of the lockdown, areas that were spared are seeing new cases.
Does anyone know the chances that UK >< Australia travel will be opened up at any point this year?
I probably won't risk it anyway, but my folks are getting on a bit and I hate to leave it so long without seeing them
I think @Wibble said that AUS wasn’t doing any international flights in or out until 2021Does anyone know the chances that UK >< Australia travel will be opened up at any point this year?
I probably won't risk it anyway, but my folks are getting on a bit and I hate to leave it so long without seeing them
Actual video footage of what happens when an American... well... you know![]()
Feel for you guys.
Actual video footage of what happens when an American... well... you know![]()
That sucks, geebs. Sorry to hear you’ve got so much on your plate.
One minor bit of advice I would give is to try and find some “me time” other than in the jacks.
Ideally every day, at least ever second day, you should head off out on your own for a walk. Stick on some headphones, listen to some music or a (non stressful content) podcast. 30 minutes to an hour away from the missus and the kids will do wonders for your relationship with them. It’s not healthy to be in each other’s personal space, all day every day. Same advice goes to your other half too.
EDIT: bike ride good too, as per @buchansleftleg suggestion
Came here to post this. Must be an incorrect result.
And with there being no real excess deaths last year, it’s not like it will have been spreading in general population if that was the case
Explosive spiking these days. Going to be really bad at hospitals when they exceed intensive care capacity.
I think @Wibble said that AUS wasn’t doing any international flights in or out until 2021
With respect that's absolute bollax.
Just because we weren't caged in like animals doesn't mean it wasn't a lockdown.
We are now at tobacco-related yearly death levels that occurred before the tobacco companies were finally beaten in court to start helping with healthcare reimbursement due to the sheer number of deaths - 500Kish a year. One has to wonder what number is too shocking for the electorate in the US. We will probably hit a healthcare apocalypse before we reach that number, but it is shocking the callousness towards such an extreme number of fatalities.
And 40% of this country is hung up on wearing masks. This is as insane as the seatbelt wearing protestations decades ago. Imagine if current firearms had no safeties & firearm-related deaths approached 500K a year. The outcry & pushback if the government tried to mandate a safety on firearms would be nuclear.
The right in this country are just horrible people.
You’re being far too binary. It was never just a choice between the economy and old people dying. The whole premise of letting the virus spread amongst younger people was that eventually enough of them would become immune to prevent the virus circulating in the community, thus allowing vulnerable/elderly to return to normal life at some point in the next few years. A vaccine is just the same herd immunity outcome by a different method.
The Aus/NZ expectation that we will definitely have a virus in 12-24 months is arguably just as big a gamble. It’s no life at all for elderly people to stay locked away, in fear of seeing their grandkids, indefinitely. And long term complete isolation from the rest of the world will have the sort of devastating (yes) economic impact that could make the remaining years of most of your elderly utterly miserable. If a safe, effective virus takes several years (most likely scenario) or is never developed (possible) then countries like Sweden will be ahead of the curve when it comes to getting life back to “normal”. That’s the main rationale for their strategy, so it’s unfair to keep banging on about them letting old people die to save the economy.
You’re being far too binary. It was never just a choice between the economy and old people dying. The whole premise of letting the virus spread amongst younger people was that eventually enough of them would become immune to prevent the virus circulating in the community, thus allowing vulnerable/elderly to return to normal life at some point in the next few years. A vaccine is just the same herd immunity outcome by a different method.
The Aus/NZ expectation that we will definitely have a virus in 12-24 months is arguably just as big a gamble. It’s no life at all for elderly people to stay locked away, in fear of seeing their grandkids, indefinitely. And long term complete isolation from the rest of the world will have the sort of devastating (yes) economic impact that could make the remaining years of most of your elderly utterly miserable. If a safe, effective virus takes several years (most likely scenario) or is never developed (possible) then countries like Sweden will be ahead of the curve when it comes to getting life back to “normal”. That’s the main rationale for their strategy, so it’s unfair to keep banging on about them letting old people die to save the economy.
So, I guess this fecker never wore a mask when dealing with patients? What a real man. Advising against a mask when it was literally always on his face every day he was a practicing physician.Citing 'irrational fears' of killer pandemic, Republicans fight face masks in Congress
A bitter dispute erupted in a congressional hearing room on Friday, with Republicans refusing to wear face coverings and Democrats insisting that they do so.
“Why is this so complicated?” a frustrated Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., said at one point in response to Republican intransigence, speaking through what appeared to be an N95 respirator. “There’s one thing we can do to try to protect other people when we’re together, which is put on a mask. It doesn’t cost us anything. Why would we not do that? Why is it some kind of macho thing, like, ‘If I don’t wear a mask, I’m tough’?”
Republicans did not appear to be moved by his appeals, or those of other Democrats. The charge against mask wearing was led by Rep. Mark Green, R-Tenn., a physician who was also a major in the U.S. Army. Green said he could “cite many other professionals” who advised against protective face coverings.
Green did not proceed to cite any such professionals.
Im probably getting the wrong end of the stick with what you are explaining but just wanted to clarify one aspect. NZ is an export based economy for the most part, tourism in the last 15 years has really taken off but the majority of the countries income is from exports. That part of the NZ economy hasnt shut down and beef for example has had larger than normal exports as other countries have increased imports from NZ. Other industries have seen slow downs caused by supply chains slowing down overseas, forestry for example has seen a slow down in exports. However for the majority of NZ exporters right now they are busy. The idea NZ has complete isolation isnt exactly true. We are all back to work here (tourism based business obviously struggling) with no restrictions apart from overseas travel but the economy because of the early and hard restrictions is now working towards recovery far sooner than most other places, the devastating impacts of the virus to our economy are not going to be any worse than the majority of the rest of the world. We arent completely isolated.
To be honest we have been lucky on a number of fronts. Lucky geographically, lucky in a leadership listening to the experts, lucky with a long warm autumn which made lockdown easier, lucky having Aussie next door who just happen to be our biggest trading partner and our largest supplier of tourists which at some point in the next year or less will end up with a trans tasman bubble, lucky with less mass use of public transport etc etc. I for one am extremely grateful but have family in the UK and do worry for them.Not to mention that your PM took a moral stand to save every single life possible from day 1. NZ has shown the world how to do things - you are so lucky to be one of the few countries with a real leader in charge.
1588 new cases in France, that's a massive jump compared to the rest of June.
To be honest we have been lucky on a number of fronts. Lucky geographically, lucky in a leadership listening to the experts, lucky with a long warm autumn which made lockdown easier, lucky having Aussie next door who just happen to be our biggest trading partner and our largest supplier of tourists which at some point in the next year or less will end up with a trans tasman bubble, lucky with less mass use of public transport etc etc. I for one am extremely grateful but have family in the UK and do worry for them.
Where? I'm in South West France and it's like the virus never happened here. No masks, distancing, or anything really, inside or outside. It was a bit disconcerting after coming from Italy. It would not be at all surprising if there was a resurgence if the rest of the country is like this.
I wonder if the EU will make a smart decision by not allowing any planes from America enter their country. USA are royally fecked and will easily make it worse for everyone if they start travelling and ruining the hard work people are doing.
They should do, as we all know Trump was quick to ban anyone from the EU at the beginning. I have zero confidence in Boris trying to stand up to Trump though.
Down in part to how, when and where you consume your news.
As someone who is shielding, I've watched the daily briefings, checked this thread and kept up with the latest information on treatment, statistics and patient experiences (however harrowing) from across multiple sources.
Doing all of this has kept me sober. Sober to the risks. Sober to the reality that we're in this for the long haul. It has kept me vigilant without leaving me feeling overwhelmed.
Many others will have viewed this pandemic through a different, less well-informed lens.
It's the short-sightedness that gets me. The failure to recognise that our individual actions have collective consequences. Has this honestly not been successfully communicated to people or do they just not care enough to want to curb their normal life any longer for the safety of others?
Is this a recommendation or an actual ban. Many countries have implied it is/was a ban but it was actually unconstitutional. For instance Finnish person can always enter and leave Finland and government can't do anything about it, although they made it sound like it was a ban in March/April.Not confirmed but I think the airlines and government think it likely that it will be mid 2021 before normal international flights start again. At the moment we aren't allowed to leave.
I was thinking about the western side of the country, specifically Vendée and Loire Atlantique who barely saw the virus but are now one of the areas with the most clusters. The South West is fine, the virus isn't really in circulation and it wasn't before the lockdown.
Masks, gloves and hand-sanitiser are still in full force here in our part of Italy. You can't go into shops in the village without gloves (masks are mandatory outside as well).
We had one case right at the beginning of the outbreak, and he recovered. No other cases here, no Covid deaths (in fact, far fewer deaths than we'd normally get for such an ancient population). I think proper lockdown works ...
I assume in the USA it's because a lot of people in heavily-populated areas have decided there's no problem anymore, a message being encouraged by Trump. In Brazil, it's probably because of a criminal lack of leadership and overcrowding/extreme poverty/poor sanitation.Our situation here is terrible but I just read that Brazil and US had 46K and 45K cases respectively over the last 24 hours. What's the reason for the sudden spike in the US? I thought it was slowing down over there.
Loads of places are selling lightweight fabric masks for a couple of euros - they're a good alternative for when you're not going into a shop. It's well over 30 degrees here too, the masks aren't exactly what you want in these temps!Around here masks are mandatory in public transports, malls and when you see health professionals. Smaller shops don't require them but people often have them anyway, though this week I noticed that less people wear them, I wouldn't be surprised if the heat is one of the reasons.