SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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That is not good. Is it the view in France that the government has lost control of the situation?
I haven't really been following in the last month, I do my thing and don't really care about the rest, so I don't know how people see things. Now there has been a big increase in testing in the last month, so the amount of new cases is logical in particular since life is pretty much the same as it was before the pandemic with the only difference being masks and hydroalcoholic gels everywhere.
It was inevitable because of the way the whole pandemic has been so badly handled. They have so much to answer for.
I'd be interested to see what a Red cafe poll would say at the moment with several options attached. Possibly ranging from immediate hard lockdown until cases are in double digits on one side to few restrictions and allowing the populace to make their own judgment on the other (ie fully open economy with social distancing etc).
PM delivered new measurements in NL tonight. Pubs and the like close at 1am but lights go on at 12, muzic goes off. Other stuff that wont make a difference and a big finger point at under 30s.
One thing was well put though, it wasnt especially the measurements brought in during march that got the figures down, it was adhering to them as a soceity that did, so thats what he's hoping for again, renewed discipline. Good luck.
One thing was well put though, it wasnt especially the measurements brought in during march that got the figures down, it was adhering to them as a soceity that did, so thats what he's hoping for again, renewed discipline. Good luck.
That's good news chap, keep us posted.
Will do mate.
You said that was already a thing. Like a broken record.
Too late! It'll be having Christmas dinner next.
Boris talking out of his arse? Never!Didn’t Boris say he expected some sense of normalcy by Christmas? Now it’s all: second wave was always inevitable.
it was and it will probably be again with blessing from the masses (you included i assume?)
Yeah! Let’s get Whitty up against Denise Welch. That’ll be a proper battle of the minds.
No, I just think you keep making these statements as though everyone has lost their mind because of the virus, but then you serve us up the most hyperbolic posts in the thread.
Already is to family's who like to link up! I'm in a family of 7 (mum, dad, 4 siblings) and as it stands i won't be able to join them (they all live together still) on the 25th, huge house and all non vulnerable, absolute madness. Luckily i can go to my cousin's if it comes to it but there will be many people in a similar boat facing a lonely Christmas.
Someone i meet when i was on my break claimed to have a source within government who said they're going to be shutting borders in October, i laughed at the time and told her she's chatting shit but with all these further developments and the Govt subtly planting seeds i'm getting a little nervous.
Well it wouldn't be celebs on the panel but lets say it was then on the flip side i can't imagine Piers Morgan coming out too well trying to outsmart Sunetra Guptra or Johan Giesecke.
Isn’t Sunetra Guptra the person who wrote that study in April saying 50% of the UK had already caught it? I don’t quite know what the debate would be. If we carry on as we currently are without any further interventions hospital admissions and deaths are inevitably going to rise substantially. So what’s the debate? Are overwhelmed hospitals and 1,000 deaths per day worth me having the freedom to still have house parties? Or sit on a bench which I’m fairly sure you can still do...
250 deaths yesterday in Spain. 140 in France today. Trending upwards. You argued with me a few weeks ago that the increase in cases didn’t mean hospital admissions/deaths would go up. At that point there was a chance it was just increased testing. Well now we know - they are starting to go up and all data says the epidemic is increasing. So what’s the solution? If you were in charge looking at the data coming in and what’s happening elsewhere what would you do?
An utterly trivial upside to the whole shit show we’re about to enter is borderline frauds like her and Prof Karol Sikora being belatedly exposed as attention-seeking bullshit artists.
And Prof Ferguson on the other end of the spectrum claimed all hell would be breaking loose in Sweden by now and it's one of the few countries in Europe not experiencing this spike.
What I would do? I could be wrong but personally I think the govt and Whitty should explain what needs to be done to slow the spread while using statistics to explain why.
And Ferguson, but ofcourse you won't call him out because he bats for your side
OK Mr Rees-Mogg.
We'll ignore the fact that testing is known to be the key element to control the virus. And ignore that testing capacity hasn't increased for 10 weeks, despite the return to school being well known about.She was actually on Question time last night.
And Ferguson, but ofcourse you won't call him out because he bats for your side
Eh? I have no “side”. And I’m fairly sure you won’t find a single post from me on this thread commenting on Ferguson, either criticism or praise.
If anyone’s made a fool of themselves by being tribal about this from day one you’ll find that person in the mirror.
To be fair to Chris Whitty, he came out last month and said that if we re-open schools then others will have to close so the R number is kept under control. Looking at the data now, he was correct in his assumption, but clearly ignored by Johnson.
I actually think this sums up why everywhere is so fecked right now. We’ve scientists pulling one direction and politicians pulling another, so we end up with a half-arsed plan which is a mish mash of the worst elements of both strategies.
Absolutely. Sweden at the moment is looking good. We’ll see if cases are at the same level in a few months. Ferguson got that wrong - he can probably claim he didn’t know enough about Swedish culture as an excuse. Not sure what Sunetra’s excuse is? That’s a pretty monumental feck up. Almost like she has an agenda and works backwards from that agenda and presents data to then support it.
Explain to who? Who would then decide? There are numerous different options to slow the spread. My understanding of a representative democracy is the Government will be given that data and they will then make decisions on our behalf combining that data with expected societal/economic impact. Brexit was a referendum so obviously there was a very public debate - the public got to decide the answer.
He’s the happy professor guy right? Positivity regardless of the actual data.
Lucky you that your family is all non vulnerable. What about the people that have been shielding since March, and are constantly being told that they will have to continue to be lonely, so that people like yourselves can continue as normal.
It must such a traumatic experience that you might have to adapt from your normal Christmas Day routine for one year. If you don’t want to do a full lock down that’s fine, but you can’t expect to carry on as normal because you’re not at risk. It doesn’t work that way.
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Well it's not exactly a first with Ferguson, he's got a history of disastrously bad predictions.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/six-questions-that-neil-ferguson-should-be-asked
I personally believe if you explained things througougly and properly explained what needed to be done the vast majority would comply, it would certainly in my opinion work out better (in the short and long run) than extreme scare campaigns and making it illegal to take two walks in a day.
I think you have too much faith in the general public using common sense
I never expected to "carry on as normal".
I knew a pandemic in Europe was only a matter of time for quite a while (the general hygiene levels and complacency alone saw to that) and was fully prepared for restrictions to "normal" life. What I never expected however was the Draconian cherry's on top, sitting on a park bench and taking a lone walk to the peak District being made illegal (for the first lockdown and inevitably the next one) and now if you pass a friend in a park who's in a group of six it's illegal to stop and chat. I genuinely never expected a govt to even try things like that let alone the masses giving it blessing, and not only that some were even begging for Boris to take our daily exercise right away.
A general public who begged for lockdown and didn't even want to come out of it?
So yes I believe if they were explained the situation properly with a (rough) exit plan the vast majority would have complied with what was being asked of them.
Boris Johnson is a cnut.
From what I've seen from years public facing jobs in the past to commuting into Manchester in the present, he has a ridiculously misplaced amount of faith in that. His idea that just getting the required factual information out to people is simple is nowhere near that either. We see countless examples of people being uninformed or ill-informed every day.
Fair enough. You didn’t respond to anything in my post though. You just waffled on about stuff that is all very unlikely to happen to 99% of people.
This is my main issue with people who complain about restrictions being in place. You’re quite happy to be indoors with 6 other people, because you’re all healthy.
If you used common sense you’d realise that it isn’t good for that many people to be in contact with each other right now. Instead, you’d rather moan that the government is introducing stricter rules. This is happening because people aren’t adapting to what is needed to keep cases down.
Can you not see the issue?
I do completely agree the public aren’t to blame for this. The message has been go out and spend. Go back to the office. Have a tenner on us to eat out. All of that combined with the low case numbers in many areas, Boris’ “back to normal for Christmas” and the cancellation of the daily updates has led to the belief that it was beat and gone. I’m also with you on the exercise and outdoor activities. To me the evidence from quite early on never backed that up. I assume it was to keep messaging simple but would hope that any new lockdown would not have those type of restrictions. They’ll furlough much of hospitality and those areas will close. Which is an absolute pisser for them just when they were trying to get going again but I don’t know what choice we have.
Maybe I'm giving people too much credit but I don't think most people will do that. Some will say feck it but what can they do if it's another lockdown. Pubs, restaurants, shops and cinemas all closed. They can't do anything. Some will try to break the rules by meeting up, having parties and some will protest but probably be small enough for police to handle.
I like the 2 week half term October plan. Make it clear it's only for 2 weeks not 4 months, business will get support and furlough will carry one another month. Majority will except imo.