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Those figures are significant enough to be shared here. Today's report in France: 13215 new cases; 154 deaths.
That is not good. Is it the view in France that the government has lost control of the situation?
That's good news chap, keep us posted.Thanks a lot dude. Just got myself down to a testing facility. I feel slightly better in the last couple of hours.
Will do mate.That's good news chap, keep us posted.
You said that was already a thing. Like a broken record.Not long now until we can get arrested for sitting on a park bench, can't wait!
Not long now until we can get arrested for sitting on a park bench, can't wait!
Boris talking out of his arse? Never!Didn’t Boris say he expected some sense of normalcy by Christmas? Now it’s all: second wave was always inevitable.![]()
it was and it will probably be again with blessing from the masses (you included i assume?)You said that was already a thing. Like a broken record.
No, I just think you keep making these statements as though everyone has lost their mind because of the virus, but then you serve us up the most hyperbolic posts in the thread.it was and it will probably be again with blessing from the masses (you included i assume?)
Already is to family's who like to link up! I'm in a family of 7 (mum, dad, 4 siblings) and as it stands i won't be able to join them (they all live together still) on the 25th, huge house and all non vulnerable, absolute madness. Luckily i can go to my cousin's if it comes to it but there will be many people in a similar boat facing a lonely Christmas.Too late! It'll be having Christmas dinner next.
Well it wouldn't be celebs on the panel but lets say it was then on the flip side i can't imagine Piers Morgan coming out too well trying to outsmart Sunetra Guptra or Johan Giesecke.Yeah! Let’s get Whitty up against Denise Welch. That’ll be a proper battle of the minds.
Isn’t Sunetra Guptra the person who wrote that study in April saying 50% of the UK had already caught it? I don’t quite know what the debate would be. If we carry on as we currently are without any further interventions hospital admissions and deaths are inevitably going to rise substantially. So what’s the debate? Are overwhelmed hospitals and 1,000 deaths per day worth me having the freedom to still have house parties? Or sit on a bench which I’m fairly sure you can still do...Well it wouldn't be celebs on the panel but lets say it was then on the flip side i can't imagine Piers Morgan coming out too well trying to outsmart Sunetra Guptra or Johan Giesecke.
Isn’t Sunetra Guptra the person who wrote that study in April saying 50% of the UK had already caught it? I don’t quite know what the debate would be. If we carry on as we currently are without any further interventions hospital admissions and deaths are inevitably going to rise substantially. So what’s the debate? Are overwhelmed hospitals and 1,000 deaths per day worth me having the freedom to still have house parties? Or sit on a bench which I’m fairly sure you can do...
250 deaths yesterday in Spain. 140 in France today. Trending upwards. You argued with me a few weeks ago that the increase in cases didn’t mean hospital admissions/deaths would go up. At that point there was a chance it was just increased testing. Well now we know - they are starting to go up and all data says the epidemic is increasing. So what’s the solution? If you were in charge looking at the data coming in and what’s happening elsewhere what would you do?
And Prof Ferguson on the other end of the spectrum claimed all hell would be breaking loose in Sweden by now and it's one of the few countries in Europe not experiencing this spike.Isn’t Sunetra Guptra the person who wrote that study in April saying 50% of the UK had already caught it? I don’t quite know what the debate would be. If we carry on as we currently are without any further interventions hospital admissions and deaths are inevitably going to rise substantially. So what’s the debate? Are overwhelmed hospitals and 1,000 deaths per day worth me having the freedom to still have house parties? Or sit on a bench which I’m fairly sure you can still do...
250 deaths yesterday in Spain. 140 in France today. Trending upwards. You argued with me a few weeks ago that the increase in cases didn’t mean hospital admissions/deaths would go up. At that point there was a chance it was just increased testing. Well now we know - they are starting to go up and all data says the epidemic is increasing. So what’s the solution? If you were in charge looking at the data coming in and what’s happening elsewhere what would you do?
And Ferguson, but ofcourse you won't call him out because he bats for your sideAn utterly trivial upside to the whole shit show are borderline frauds like her and Prof Karol Sikora being belatedly exposed as attention-seeking bullshit artists.
OK Mr Rees-Mogg.There are some things the Government has got wrong, but this constant carping on about testing/tracing, when people are seeking testing without having any symptoms and/or not giving correct trace information and/or or not isolating themselves properly, is all OTT, especially when we all know what to do.
If I were PM I would be tempted to say to everybody "we've told you the risks, we've told you how to keep safe, now crack on" or "England expects this day every man/woman to do their duty".
An utterly trivial upside to the whole shit show we’re about to enter is borderline frauds like her and Prof Karol Sikora being belatedly exposed as attention-seeking bullshit artists.
And Ferguson, but ofcourse you won't call him out because he bats for your side![]()
Whitty should explain what needs to be done to slow the spread while using statistics to explain why.
To be fair to Chris Whitty, he came out last month and said that if we re-open schools then others will have to close so the R number is kept under control. Looking at the data now, he was correct in his assumption, but clearly ignored by Johnson.
Absolutely. Sweden at the moment is looking good. We’ll see if cases are at the same level in a few months. Ferguson got that wrong - he can probably claim he didn’t know enough about Swedish culture as an excuse. Not sure what Sunetra’s excuse is? That’s a pretty monumental feck up. Almost like she has an agenda and works backwards from that agenda and presents data to then support it.And Prof Ferguson on the other end of the spectrum claimed all hell would be breaking loose in Sweden by now and it's one of the few countries in Europe not experiencing this spike.
What I would do? I could be wrong but personally I think the govt and Whitty should explain what needs to be done to slow the spread while using statistics to explain why.
He’s the happy professor guy right? Positivity regardless of the actual data.An utterly trivial upside to the whole shit show we’re about to enter is borderline frauds like her and Prof Karol Sikora being belatedly exposed as attention-seeking bullshit artists.
Already is to family's who like to link up! I'm in a family of 7 (mum, dad, 4 siblings) and as it stands i won't be able to join them (they all live together still) on the 25th, huge house and all non vulnerable, absolute madness. Luckily i can go to my cousin's if it comes to it but there will be many people in a similar boat facing a lonely Christmas.
Someone i meet when i was on my break claimed to have a source within government who said they're going to be shutting borders in October, i laughed at the time and told her she's chatting shit but with all these further developments and the Govt subtly planting seeds i'm getting a little nervous.
Well it's not exactly a first with Ferguson, he's got a history of disastrously bad predictions.Absolutely. Sweden at the moment is looking good. We’ll see if cases are at the same level in a few months. Ferguson got that wrong - he can probably claim he didn’t know enough about Swedish culture as an excuse. Not sure what Sunetra’s excuse is? That’s a pretty monumental feck up. Almost like she has an agenda and works backwards from that agenda and presents data to then support it.
Explain to who? Who would then decide? There are numerous different options to slow the spread. My understanding of a representative democracy is the Government will be given that data and they will then make decisions on our behalf combining that data with expected societal/economic impact. Brexit was a referendum so obviously there was a very public debate - the public got to decide the answer.
I think you have too much faith in the general public using common senseWell it's not exactly a first with Ferguson, he's got a history of disastrously bad predictions.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/six-questions-that-neil-ferguson-should-be-asked
I personally believe if you explained things througougly and properly explained what needed to be done the vast majority would comply, it would certainly in my opinion work out better (in the short and long run) than extreme scare campaigns and making it illegal to take two walks in a day.
Boris Johnson's interview this afternoon really ought to have carried more significance than it did given the undoubted gravity of the moment.
Behind the scenes, government sources confirm that the PM is weighing up whether he has to introduce national restrictions for a short period of time in the next few weeks.
The idea, they say, a "circuit break" would see schools and work continuing, but curbs on social lives. In a carefully worded statement, Downing Street say merely they now want to avoid any "extended lockdowns".
The nation urgently wants to know whether it must cancel family gatherings and half term and they can see a government appearing to reach a conclusion that it must.
Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said at her press conference - which feel vital at critical times like today - that more difficult decisions are due in "days".
London mayor Sadiq Khan said tonight that London cannot wait for the virus to spiral out of control in the capital before introducing restrictions.
But the prime minister was unwilling to say almost anything concrete this afternoon about what is to come.
I never expected to "carry on as normal".Lucky you that your family is all non vulnerable. What about the people that have been shielding since March, and are constantly being told that they will have to continue to be lonely, so that people like yourselves can continue as normal.
It must such a traumatic experience that you might have to adapt from your normal Christmas Day routine for one year. If you don’t want to do a full lock down that’s fine, but you can’t expect to carry on as normal because you’re not at risk. It doesn’t work that way.
A general public who begged for lockdown and didn't even want to come out of it?I think you have too much faith in the general public using common sense
From what I've seen from years public facing jobs in the past to commuting into Manchester in the present, he has a ridiculously misplaced amount of faith in that. His idea that just getting the required factual information out to people is simple is nowhere near that either. We see countless examples of people being uninformed or ill-informed every day.I think you have too much faith in the general public using common sense
I never expected to "carry on as normal".
I knew a pandemic in Europe was only a matter of time for quite a while (the general hygiene levels and complacency alone saw to that) and was fully prepared for restrictions to "normal" life. What I never expected however was the Draconian cherry's on top, sitting on a park bench and taking a lone walk to the peak District being made illegal (for the first lockdown and inevitably the next one) and now if you pass a friend in a park who's in a group of six it's illegal to stop and chat. I genuinely never expected a govt to even try things like that let alone the masses giving it blessing, and not only that some were even begging for Boris to take our daily exercise right away.
I do completely agree the public aren’t to blame for this. The message has been go out and spend. Go back to the office. Have a tenner on us to eat out. All of that combined with the low case numbers in many areas, Boris’ “back to normal for Christmas” and the cancellation of the daily updates has led to the belief that it was beat and gone. I’m also with you on the exercise and outdoor activities. To me the evidence from quite early on never backed that up. I assume it was to keep messaging simple but would hope that any new lockdown would not have those type of restrictions. They’ll furlough much of hospitality and those areas will close. Which is an absolute pisser for them just when they were trying to get going again but I don’t know what choice we have.A general public who begged for lockdown and didn't even want to come out of it?
So yes I believe if they were explained the situation properly with a (rough) exit plan the vast majority would have complied with what was being asked of them.
Genuine question - me being a selfish bastard I can work from home and I hate going out unless it's on nature walks anyway - but at one point will the majority of people say "feck it" and just stop locking down altogether? Before the end of this second wave or the beginning of the inevitable third?
Are we just doomed to be forced to live with this virus for the rest of our lives? Once the vaccine comes out will be just buy Beecham's Cold, Flu and Covid-19 tablets whenever we're at the checkout at Asda? Just calling in to our work and saying "I've woken up with a touch of the Covid, but once I'm over the worst I'll be back into work."?
It's amazing how we can normalise such crazy things if the right people tell us that it's alright. Austerity, means testing, Freddos costing 50p etc.