Mauricio Amadaeus Pochettino | Chelsea sack watch

[JPRouve]

Agreed. You cant really judge a manager by their time at PSG as they have no say on the playing squad. Winning the league and cup is a minimum though. Winning CL with a team full of primadonnas and egos who dont want to do the basics is next to impossible.

Poch would be fantastic for us.

Why do people keep imagining these weird ideas about egos, refusal to do the basics or talking about say in the playing squad? It just exposes the fact that most of you don't watch PSG, is it the egos of Gueye, Danilo, Paredes, Diallo, Rafinha that prevent them from being good in transition, from being able to control things and feed the attackers?

To give people an idea. PSG problems are similar to what Bayern was under Kovac.

 

[Abraxas]

I think it's always been known that Fergie is a massive admirer of Pochettino. Which maybe shouldn't be a huge deal as ultimately he shouldn't have that much sway, but the fact is he probably has the ear of decision makers.

It's probably also fair to assume that thinking has probably influenced the hierarchy at various times and therefore they are always looking to Poch as a potential manager.

It feels as if it would take quite a bit for them to go for ETH over Poch given the latter's work in the PL is a lot more immediately visible, he has this reputation of suiting some of our supposed ideals (whether it's true or not on close inspection). Seems so likely, it is hard to envisage something else at this moment.

 

[TenonTen]

I still rate Pochettino highly.

PSG is an awful club for any manager with self respect to manage. Way too much player power and other crap.

I think, under this United board, Pochettino is one of the best managers for this current model.

I think he'll be better than Ten Haag here.

I would be ok with Poch I guess depending on who else we approach or is available but it doesn’t really matter who we get if club isn’t being run correct.

Out of interest who would people say has been the most successful manager at PSG since the takeover ?

I'd say Tuchel actually. Simply because he came the closest to the CL and lost 1 - 0 to an absolutely insane side. PSG had just as many chances as Bayern in that final and their famous attackers bottled it infront of the wall that Neuer is.

At this point I can't even figure out if it's ironic or not. That's sad.

I think he'll suit United very well. He'll probably buy Kane too. This PSG spell has been bad for his reputation. Awful decision to go there.

Zidane will suit PSG I'm guessing.

Since you are a PSG fan, let me ask you: do Paris fans have an expectation/demand for a certain style of play or do they not care about that as long as they're winning?? I have watched PSG games in the UCL and you guys tend to play Counter Attacking Football despite your star studded squad. What are the expectations of your fanbase??

 

[Oly Francis]

I still rate Pochettino highly.

PSG is an awful club for any manager with self respect to manage. Way too much player power and other crap.

I think, under this United board, Pochettino is one of the best managers for this current model.

I think he'll be better than Ten Haag here.


I'd say Tuchel actually. Simply because he came the closest to the CL and lost 1 - 0 to an absolutely insane side. PSG had just as many chances as Bayern in that final and their famous attackers bottled it infront of the wall that Neuer is.


I think he'll suit United very well. He'll probably buy Kane too. This PSG spell has been bad for his reputation. Awful decision to go there.

I don't really get why United fans take such a high ground regarding "primadonnas" or "ego" (I'm not specifcally targeting you). Isn't Ronaldo a huge primadonna as well? What about Pogba? I see a lot of people here talking about Neymar and his antics, the thing is we have very little to say about Neymar since he's at PSG, the only problem is that he's injured. Even when he wanted to leave, he didn't say anything until 2 years after outside of a vague interview for his own tournament when he said that the 6-1 game against PSG was one of the most important moment in his carreer. So yeah we might have 3 primadonnas (if you include Messi), United has 2, big deal. What about SAF's influence, who basically dictates what is supposed to be right or wrong for United even today?

The rest of the team is made of Marquinhos, Verratti, Kimpembe, Bernat, Nuno Mendes, Hakimi, Gueye, Herrera, Paredes, Danilo, Di Maria, where are the toxic players?

Since you are a PSG fan, let me ask you: do Paris fans have an expectation/demand for a certain style of play or do they not care about that as long as they're winning?? I have watched PSG games in the UCL and you guys tend to play Counter Attacking Football despite your star studded squad. What are the expectations of your fanbase??

We obviously have expectations, and are terribly disapointed since Pochettino arrived. We had 1 really great team game against Barcelona, the rest was pretty much the talended players taking care of business (Neymar was phenomenal against Bayern especially in the 1st game). Under Tuchel we at least had a honeymoon period that lasted 2/3 of the season, it never happened with Pochettino and he never really tried to bond with the fans. He doesn't even try to speak french.

We're looking for a coach that will build a style we can rely on, an identy, that won't pick absurd overpriced recruits like (45M Paredes, 35M Gueye, 35M Diallo or Kehrer etc) but proper football players especially in the midfield.

 

[United in sin]

Was Tuchel this good to average at PSG?

Tuchel was ridiculed by sections of United supporters whilst at PSG (same as Emery) until he suddenly became one of the elite upon swiftly changing Chelsea's fortunes. His main issues were his fractious relationships with Leonardo and the board. The board weren't convinced by his playing style. These are the same issues we're seeing with Pochettino

Tuchel's overall win rate at PSG was 74.8% compared to Unai Emery before him at 76.3% which is a French record. Both Tuchel and Emery are tied at 2.37 points per game average in the league, the joint highest at PSG which bested what Blanc and Ancelloti achieved yet they're both more revered for their time at PSG

 

[dinostar77]

Tuchel was ridiculed by sections of United supporters whilst at PSG (same as Emery) until he suddenly became one of the elite upon swiftly changing Chelsea's fortunes. His main issues were with Leonardo and the board. The board weren't convinced by his playing style. These are the same issues we're seeing with Pochettino

Tuchel's overall win rate at PSG was 74.8% compared to Unai Emery before him at 76.3% which is a French record. Both Tuchel and Emery are tied at 2.37 points per game average in the league, the joint highest at PSG which bested what Blanc and Ancelloti achieved

Good post

 

[NoPace]

I don't really get why United fans take such a high ground regarding "primadonnas" or "ego" (I'm not specifcally targeting you). Isn't Ronaldo a huge primadonna as well? What about Pogba? I see a lot of people here talking about Neymar and his antics, the thing is we have very little to say about Neymar since he's at PSG, the only problem is that he's injured. Even when he wanted to leave, he didn't say anything until 2 years after outside of a vague interview for his own tournament when he said that the 6-1 game against PSG was one of the most important moment in his carreer. So yeah we might have 3 primadonnas (if you include Messi), United has 2, big deal. What about SAF's influence, who basically dictates what is supposed to be right or wrong for United even today?

The rest of the team is made of Marquinhos, Verratti, Kimpembe, Bernat, Nuno Mendes, Hakimi, Gueye, Herrera, Paredes, Danilo, Di Maria, where are the toxic players?




We obviously have expectations, and are terribly disapointed since Pochettino arrived. We had 1 really great team game against Barcelona, the rest was pretty much the talended players taking care of business (Neymar was phenomenal against Bayern especially in the 1st game). Under Tuchel we at least had a honeymoon period that lasted 2/3 of the season, it never happened with Pochettino and he never really tried to bond with the fans. He doesn't even try to speak french.

We're looking for a coach that will build a style we can rely on, an identy, that won't pick absurd overpriced recruits like (45M Paredes, 35M Gueye, 35M Diallo or Kehrer etc) but proper football players especially in the midfield.

Are Gueye and Paredes not doing well? I thought Gueye was doing well, even if he isn't exactly Iniesta out there. And Paredes can pass, seems to do well for Argentina.

 

[Scroto Baggins]

Oh look PSG is leading in a one horse race league. The league PSG won 9 times out of the last 10 times.

Oh wait Manchester United are still in the FA cup and Champions league top. We must be doing something right, right? Get out of here.

The FA cup does not have a lot of traction outside of England, so grats for being still in the competition, I guess? Not really a good yard stick to tell how the team is going however.

Man Utd were 1 point above Villareal, Villareal != Manchester City who pipped PSG to the top of the group.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

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Tuchel was ridiculed by sections of United supporters whilst at PSG (same as Emery) until he suddenly became one of the elite upon swiftly changing Chelsea's fortunes. His main issues were his fractious relationships with Leonardo and the board. The board weren't convinced by his playing style. These are the same issues we're seeing with Pochettino

Tuchel's overall win rate at PSG was 74.8% compared to Unai Emery before him at 76.3% which is a French record. Both Tuchel and Emery are tied at 2.37 points per game average in the league, the joint highest at PSG which bested what Blanc and Ancelloti achieved yet they're both more revered for their time at PSG

From what I understand, beyond statistics PSG and other football fans had less doubts about Tuchel as a tactician than Pochettino. The latter is getting a lot of criticism largely due to the way PSG play.

My take on Pochettino is this - I was hugely impressed by his work at Spurs on a shoe string budget however I'm not convinced he's the tactician we need to bring about the modernisation revolution that we need from a tactical perspective. I'm not sure he's the kind of manager who comes in and bang! you can see the team transforming. From what I understand he's actually quite a functional and pragmatic manager. Spurs were never a team with much flair and excitement. It was efficient and methodical for the most part. If he does that well at United hwll be our best post SAF manager but pwdosnally I feel we need someone to come in and completely reshape our style to an expansive and ambitious one.

 

[NewGlory]

Here it is:

I would absolutely hate to see Poch as our manager! He is not even in top 10 of my desired managers.

Wasn't impressed by his Spurs performance and there's very little to be impressed by his PSG one. Dude's barely hanging onto his job at PSG and is desperate to find another big club. Don't see any big clubs but us fancying him.


Ask yourself - why?

 

[Scroto Baggins]

Maybe try to look at more than just standing differences next time..

You can look at their ppg, goals scored, goals conceided, the average goal difference, their xG etc. And compare it to clubs like City, Bayern, Real, Liverpool.

You would have to go back and look at say stats from the end of Tuchel's tenure and the start of Pochetino's to get a good idea I think going off those stats. And a decent sample size say last 6 months of Tuchel then first 6 months of Pochettino, that would be a good comparison.

But if you want to jsust look at overall performance during their tenures rather than specific periods during that time you actually have Emery out in front in win%. Pretty close between Emery, Blanc and Tuchel to be honest for GD and win %. Behind them, is Ancelotti and Pochettino with Pochettino tipping it over Ancelotti's PSG. Im not sure why PSG got rid of Tuchel tbh, but after reading this thread you would think Pochettino was the worst manager ever. He is a good manager, just not elite level.

Ancelotti January 2012 May 2013 games-77 won-49 drawn-19 lost-9 gf-153 ga-64 gd+89 win%63.64
Blanc August 2013 May 2016 games-173 won-126 drawn-31 lost-16 gf-391 ga-126 gd+265 win%72.83
Emery August 2016 May 2018 games-114 won-87 drawn-15 lost-12 gf-312 ga-92 gd+220 win%76.32
Tuchel August 2018 December 2020 games-127 won-95 drawn-13 lost-19 gf-337 ga-103 gd+234 win%74.80
Pochettino January 2021 Present games-65 won-44 drawn-11 lost-10 gf-140 ga-57 gd+83 win%67.69

 

[Bebestation]

Tuchel was ridiculed by sections of United supporters whilst at PSG (same as Emery) until he suddenly became one of the elite upon swiftly changing Chelsea's fortunes. His main issues were his fractious relationships with Leonardo and the board. The board weren't convinced by his playing style. These are the same issues we're seeing with Pochettino

Tuchel's overall win rate at PSG was 74.8% compared to Unai Emery before him at 76.3% which is a French record. Both Tuchel and Emery are tied at 2.37 points per game average in the league, the joint highest at PSG which bested what Blanc and Ancelloti achieved yet they're both more revered for their time at PSG

What's Pochettino's per game stats and win rate at PSG if you know?

 

[AneRu]

Here it is:

I would absolutely hate to see Poch as our manager! He is not even in top 10 of my desired managers.

Wasn't impressed by his Spurs performance and there's very little to be impressed by his PSG one. Dude's barely hanging onto his job at PSG and is desperate to find another big club. Don't see any big clubs but us fancying him.


Ask yourself - why?

We are a club stuck in the past, he was highly regarded once and we (and he) missed our moment in 2019 when we inexplicably decided to go with Ole. Needless to say, his appointment won't fill the fans with confidence.

 

[Pintu]

But if you want to jsust look at overall performance during their tenures rather than specific periods during that time you actually have Emery out in front in win%. Pretty close between Emery, Blanc and Tuchel to be honest for GD and win %. Behind them, is Ancelotti and Pochettino with Pochettino tipping it over Ancelotti's PSG. Im not sure why PSG got rid of Tuchel tbh, but after reading this thread you would think Pochettino was the worst manager ever. He is a good manager, just not elite level.

Ancelotti January 2012 May 2013 games-77 won-49 drawn-19 lost-9 gf-153 ga-64 gd+89 win%63.64
Blanc August 2013 May 2016 games-173 won-126 drawn-31 lost-16 gf-391 ga-126 gd+265 win%72.83
Emery August 2016 May 2018 games-114 won-87 drawn-15 lost-12 gf-312 ga-92 gd+220 win%76.32
Tuchel August 2018 December 2020 games-127 won-95 drawn-13 lost-19 gf-337 ga-103 gd+234 win%74.80
Pochettino January 2021 Present games-65 won-44 drawn-11 lost-10 gf-140 ga-57 gd+83 win%67.69

Ok. Now let’s look at the team Ancelotti had available when he took over.

Do you see any Di Maria, Neymar, or Mbappé in there ?

Pochettino can bring in Icardi to head in a late winner, Emery had Prime Cavani, do you know who G Hoarau is?

 

[dinostar77]

Daily Mirror, a tabloid i know, saying Utd growing confident of appointing Poch this summer.

 

[Pexbo]

Daily Mirror, a tabloid i know, saying Utd growing confident of appointing Poch this summer.

We all know the Daily Mirror mate, it doesn’t make you ITK.

 

[AndySmith1990]

Here it is:

I would absolutely hate to see Poch as our manager! He is not even in top 10 of my desired managers.

Wasn't impressed by his Spurs performance and there's very little to be impressed by his PSG one. Dude's barely hanging onto his job at PSG and is desperate to find another big club. Don't see any big clubs but us fancying him.


Ask yourself - why?

Ah that old chestnut.

I didn't see any clubs other than Liverpool trying to sign Salah. Must be rubbish.

 

[DJ_21]

If pochettino gets sacked after getting knocked out of the CL to Madrid then we should stay well clear. The only thing that should make us appoint him is if he actually wins the CL. That will give him a lot of confidence and Hunger to add more trophy’s to his name. I still think ETH should be our first choice… what he’s doing with a young Ajax team is phenomenal, imagine our youngsters under him! The board will clearly see that he’s the fans first choice so they should be going all out for him… it’s just a matter of how much he’d cost.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Ah that old chestnut.

I didn't see any clubs other than Liverpool trying to sign Salah. Must be rubbish.

Can't compare players with managers. We have repeatedly seen how bad his football is with basically the best team in the world.

 

[UpWithRivers]

Should have just kept Ole. Never won a trophy. Fails at the last hurdle. Both teams collapsed before they were forced out. Absolute disaster of a signing. He wont do that badly but he will never be a top top manager. This is the manager we go for to get fourth and go on a bit of a run in the cups.

 

[Oly Francis]

Are Gueye and Paredes not doing well? I thought Gueye was doing well, even if he isn't exactly Iniesta out there. And Paredes can pass, seems to do well for Argentina.

Gueye had ups and downs. The problem is, his downs are very low and he's been terrible for months now. He's probably the worst player starting for Senegal at this very moment.

Paredes is a lazy fecker. For sure he can do pretty nice passes when he's not under pressure but other than that he's pretty slow and couldn't carry the ball even if his life depended on it. Overpriced Jorginho wannabe.

Both of them can have moment of brilliance but there's no consistency at all, there's no-one we can rely on but Verratti and he's injured half the time. Poch can be blamed for a lot of things but he's not helped by the way our midfield is built. FAR too many average players on the ball.

 

[Highlyevolved]

I think we’re making a mistake. Poch is yesterday’s man, his record at PSG with the assets he has and the competition in the French league makes for miserable reading.

Ten Haag is tomorrow’s man, as Klopp was back when we appointed Moyes.

 

[Gehrman]

As someone who can't watch the french league does every team park the bus against PSG more or less, or do the stronger teams go out to play football?

 

[jackal&hyde]

He is a media darling but there are so many questions about him that we should stay clear imo. ETH seems to be a much better fit.

 

[JPRouve]

As someone who can't watch the french league does every team park the bus against PSG more or less, or do the stronger teams go out to play football?

Some do and others don't.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

At best he's as good as Tuchel, so I'm sure we wouldn't be winning any league with him especially with Pep and Klopp around

 

[mctrials23]

At best he's as good as Tuchel, so I'm sure we wouldn't be winning any league with him especially with Pep and Klopp around

I think Tuchel can very much compete for the league. He just needs to add a few players to that Chelsea side and get rid of a few.

The best squad with the best manager doesn't always win competitions. The problem with Ole is that he wasn't even close to top tier. He was never going to compete. I think Poch probably is good enough if he has the squad and they are motivated. Who knows.

 

[No Idea For Nickname]

We all know the Daily Mirror mate, it doesn’t make you ITK.

thanks, I don't have to write it now.

 

[Judas]

I’d love to know why the media love him so much. He’s such a dull little bloke. I completely got the Jose love in they all had back in the day, but Poch? I’m baffled.

 

[Hansi Fick]

We all know the Daily Mirror mate, it doesn’t make you ITK.

obviously the poster meant "I know it's a tabloid, but .."

 

[red_de_pologne]

He's a perfect match for Glazers unfortunately. Proved to work on a small budget AND work under a difficult board. The complete package.

 

[tomaldinho1]

I don't really get why United fans take such a high ground regarding "primadonnas" or "ego" (I'm not specifcally targeting you). Isn't Ronaldo a huge primadonna as well? What about Pogba? I see a lot of people here talking about Neymar and his antics, the thing is we have very little to say about Neymar since he's at PSG, the only problem is that he's injured. Even when he wanted to leave, he didn't say anything until 2 years after outside of a vague interview for his own tournament when he said that the 6-1 game against PSG was one of the most important moment in his carreer. So yeah we might have 3 primadonnas (if you include Messi), United has 2, big deal. What about SAF's influence, who basically dictates what is supposed to be right or wrong for United even today?

The rest of the team is made of Marquinhos, Verratti, Kimpembe, Bernat, Nuno Mendes, Hakimi, Gueye, Herrera, Paredes, Danilo, Di Maria, where are the toxic players?




We obviously have expectations, and are terribly disapointed since Pochettino arrived. We had 1 really great team game against Barcelona, the rest was pretty much the talended players taking care of business (Neymar was phenomenal against Bayern especially in the 1st game). Under Tuchel we at least had a honeymoon period that lasted 2/3 of the season, it never happened with Pochettino and he never really tried to bond with the fans. He doesn't even try to speak french.

We're looking for a coach that will build a style we can rely on, an identy, that won't pick absurd overpriced recruits like (45M Paredes, 35M Gueye, 35M Diallo or Kehrer etc) but proper football players especially in the midfield.

I don't think United fan take a high ground stance at, it's that we've been burned so badly by hiring off names alone. It's very clear when you look at the best teams in football, there isn't really room for more than one 'luxury' player (I hate that term but I guess now it's universal). PSG have 3 that will start every game if they're fit. There's also the issue of many players being there for the payday, due respect I doubt many of these players dreamed of playing in Ligue 1 at their peak and that in itself crates a different feel to the club.

Poch is exactly the type of coach you want if you're plan is buy young, hungry players he can put an arm round and get them bought into his system but that's not what he's got at PSG. It's essentially all world class, formerly world class or fully fledged internationals who have won a huge amount of trophies in all leagues. I can't think of anyone outside of Zidane who might be able to control that PSG dressing room and, even then, I still think the issue lies with Leonardo. Buying Icardi just sums it up really, there's no emphasis on building the right culture/environment, it's just about throwing money at players and then you just say to the coach 'good luck' knowing you can find another one every season if you need to.

 

[JPRouve]

I don't think United fan take a high ground stance at, it's that we've been burned so badly by hiring off names alone. It's very clear when you look at the best teams in football, there isn't really room for more than one 'luxury' player (I hate that term but I guess now it's universal). PSG have 3 that will start every game if they're fit. There's also the issue of many players being there for the payday, due respect I doubt many of these players dreamed of playing in Ligue 1 at their peak and that in itself crates a different feel to the club.

Poch is exactly the type of coach you want if you're plan is buy young, hungry players he can put an arm round and get them bought into his system but that's not what he's got at PSG. It's essentially all world class, formerly world class or fully fledged internationals who have won a huge amount of trophies in all leagues. I can't think of anyone outside of Zidane who might be able to control that PSG dressing room and, even then, I still think the issue lies with Leonardo. Buying Icardi just sums it up really, there's no emphasis on building the right culture/environment, it's just about throwing money at players and then you just say to the coach 'good luck' knowing you can find another one every season if you need to.

The way you talk about it you would think that we are talking about the chinese league or that the players that are struggling are superstars that would be playing for top teams. Again the players that are struggling are the likes of Paredes, Herrera, Gueye, Abdou Diallo, Draxler or Danilo. While Messi has struggled and isn't a great fit for a league full of young big, and fast defensive players, the other top players are pulling their weights and the ones masking issues.

 

[dinostar77]

We all know the Daily Mirror mate, it doesn’t make you ITK.

What are you blathering on about? All i said there was a story in todays daily mirror which is tabloid.

 

[JPRouve]

What are you blathering on about? All i said there was a story in todays daily mirror which is tabloid.

The way you wrote the post reads like you are telling us that the Daily Mirror is a tabloid that you know.

 

[dinostar77]

The way you wrote the post reads like you are telling us that the Daily Mirror is a tabloid that you know.

Ahhh, makes sense now. Lesson learnt. Proof read your own posts

 

[tomaldinho1]

The way you talk about it you would think that we are talking about the chinese league or that the players that are struggling are superstars that would be playing for top teams. Again the players that are struggling are the likes of Paredes, Herrera, Gueye, Abdou Diallo, Draxler or Danilo. While Messi has struggled and isn't a great fit for a league full of young big, and fast defensive players, the other top players are pulling their weights and the ones masking issues.

Bit dramatic to suggest the Chinese league surely? Ligue 1 is decent, I'd actually say's its very close to La Liga given how much that has fallen away. I just doubt a lot of these top players always dreamt of playing Ligue 1.

I rate all the CM options they have, I really like Paredes in particular, but it's a team game and even with a very experienced and strong CM 3 they will struggle against any team that uses basic tactics to overload them. I probably don't watch them enough compared to some on here but seems like ADM gives them more balance when they swap out one of the big names for him.

 

[JPRouve]

Bit dramatic to suggest the Chinese league surely? Ligue 1 is decent, I'd actually say's its very close to La Liga given how much that has fallen away. I just doubt a lot of these top players always dreamt of playing Ligue 1.

I rate all the CM options they have, I really like Paredes in particular, but it's a team game and even with a very experienced and strong CM 3 they will struggle against any team that uses basic tactics to overload them. I probably don't watch them enough compared to some on here but seems like ADM gives them more balance when they swap out one of the big names for him.

Or a comment made in jest?

And if you like Paredes then I don't know what to make of your opinion, he is shoddy and has always been(I'm not joking). And the big three has not actually been used as a big three that often, the team that people are criticizing is mainly without the big three that most of you are blaming which makes the all thing quite baffling.

 

[Bebestation]

I'm wondering..

Pochettino is not who I want here - but at the same time I don't feel like under rating him either purely due to his time at PSG.

I say this because of Tuchel and how he went straight to Chelsea and won them a CL - however then I do wonder if tuchel did this from the new manager excitement at the club because he hasn't been that great this season either.

 

[stefan92]

I'm wondering..

Pochettino is not who I want here - but at the same time I don't feel like under rating him either purely due to his time at PSG.

I say this because of Tuchel and how he went straight to Chelsea and won them a CL - however then I do wonder if tuchel did this from the new manager excitement at the club because he hasn't been that great this season either.

Tuchel was better than Poch at PSG.