Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

ooeat0meoo said:
Russian oligarch jets still flying in and out of US airports despite Biden declaring airspace to be closed to them a few night ago.



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How do we even know they are on-board or its even their planes? Could be ferrying their kids?

Wouldn't the Oligarchs just take like Netjets or Vistajets and be more anonymous?
 
I can’t figure out what the motive is in shelling the nuclear plant.

Are they trying to bait NATO to join the fight, and what would they gain from that? Or are they simply just that stupid?

Seems completely irrational, which is scary.
 
First of all it's absolute insanity that the Russian troops were attacking a nuclear power station but if things had gone badly wouldn't that have meant they all would have been eliminated almost instantly?

Also if this would have impacted most of Europe due to the fallout, I assume this would also have impacted Russia to right? Someone in Putin's inner circle really needs to wake up to what is happening and take action
 
who decided that bombing a nuclear power station was a good idea ?
The International Atomic Energy Agency has said that the fire has not affected essential equipment or caused radiation levels to change , this is good news.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
who decided that bombing a nuclear power station was a good idea ?
The International Atomic Energy Agency has said that the fire has not affected essential equipment or caused radiation levels to change , this is good news.
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Its part of the military doctrine -- soften up air/military defences then next, take out the infrastructure -- telecoms to power before you actually enter the city.
 
sglowrider said:
Its part of the military doctrine -- soften up air/military defences then next, take out the infrastructure -- telecoms to power before you actually enter the city.
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Seizing control on infrastructure is one thing, shelling a nuclear power plant isn't on any plan. The most wreckless thing I've seen in a long, long time.
 
Morpheus 7 said:
Seizing control on infrastructure is one thing, shelling a nuclear power plant isn't on any plan. The most wreckless thing I've seen in a long, long time.
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Not saying it's clever, but nuclear power plants should have no issues withstanding shelling. They can take a plane crash!
 
At what point does NATO actually get involved? Now they are bombing nuclear power plants. I’m stunned at the lack of action by all. What’s the point in providing aid when you could actually stop Ukrainians lives being turned upside down.
 
Josep Dowling said:
At what point does NATO actually get involved? Now they are bombing nuclear power plants. I’m stunned at the lack of action by all. What’s the point in providing aid when you could actually stop Ukrainians lives being turned upside down.
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At the price of nuclear war
 
If this conflict results in massive nuclear contamination of Europe that's surely enough to warrant everyone's involvement? Doesn't make sense to suffer nuclear fallout just to avoid nuclear fallout... Call Putin's bluff and bomb his men to armaggeddon.
 
Abizzz said:
If this conflict results in massive nuclear contamination of Europe that's surely enough to warrant everyone's involvement? Doesn't make sense to suffer nuclear fallout just to avoid nuclear fallout... Call Putin's bluff and bomb his men to armaggeddon.
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The craziest thing to me when talking about the dreaded nuclear word is that Putin is happy to use this threat when he knows that using it would result in immediate retaliation by NATO.

This guy has children and grandchildren that he would be putting at risk of death in the worst manner possible. What kind of human being does that make him?
 
Is it complete fantasy on my end to think that it would be somehow possible to hack mainstream media channels / broadcasts with clips of the atrocities taking place in Ukraine?

I imagine a lot of the older generation will rely on the TV to get their news, so they need to somehow know the reality of what’s going on.

Putins propaganda machine must be stopped.

I am also curious in terms of roughly what % of the Russian public support Putin and his actions? I guess we won’t know because anyone who protests will be reprimanded.
 
Red Rash said:
The craziest thing to me when talking about the dreaded nuclear word is that Putin is happy to use this threat when he knows that using it would result in immediate retaliation by NATO.

This guy has children and grandchildren that he would be putting at risk of death in the worst manner possible. What kind of human being does that make him?
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He's using the west's stereotype of Russians for his own purposes. We have become convinced that we value life more than he does (we don't), so we think we have more to lose.

If Putin was so suicidal he'd hardly stay 100 feet away from his closest advisors.
 
hellhunter said:
At the price of nuclear war
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100% this.

While we as civilians have the luxury of looking at this purely on a moral level, where of course it would be right to intervene.

Politicians and military leadership have to consider the hard ramifications of intervening. An intervention would cause MORE Ukrainian deaths in the short term, their homeland becoming an even bigger battle field and also potentially lead to millions of deaths throughout the world if nukes were to be launched.

NATO won't act until a NATO member is attacked, the world can't afford it to.
 
Abizzz said:
He's using the west's stereotype of Russians for his own purposes. We have become convinced that we value life more than he does (we don't), so we think we have more to lose.

If Putin was so suicidal he'd hardly stay 100 feet away from his closest advisors.
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Well, unless he genuinely believes he could win a nuclear war. His scientific advisers may not be exactly from the top drawer.
 
Imagine if Trump had taken the US out of NATO

Shit would be fecked beyond repair in Eastern Europe.

Hopefully with Germany getting back in the game that will help protect our neighbours.
 
lilcurt said:
100% this.

While we as civilians have the luxury of looking at this purely on a moral level, where of course it would be right to intervene.

Politicians and military leadership have to consider the hard ramifications of intervening. An intervention would cause MORE Ukrainian deaths in the short term, their homeland becoming an even bigger battle field and also potentially lead to millions of deaths throughout the world if nukes were to be launched.

NATO won't act until a NATO member is attacked, the world can't afford it to.
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Millions of deaths is an understatement. It could end all life on earth depending on how crazy the two sides go.
 
Josep Dowling said:
At what point does NATO actually get involved? Now they are bombing nuclear power plants. I’m stunned at the lack of action by all. What’s the point in providing aid when you could actually stop Ukrainians lives being turned upside down.
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There is no mandate in NATO rules ( for want of a better word ) to enforce a no fly zone , no NATO member has been affected and until that happens , their hands a pretty much tied.
I have mentioned this before , just think US and UK fighters enforcing a no fly zone, the Russians will challenge it, if the Russian jet was shot down, well we all know what would happen, this is what Putin wants, its must not happen.
 
Red Rash said:
The craziest thing to me when talking about the dreaded nuclear word is that Putin is happy to use this threat when he knows that using it would result in immediate retaliation by NATO.

This guy has children and grandchildren that he would be putting at risk of death in the worst manner possible. What kind of human being does that make him?
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I don't think people like him think about individuals when they take decisions. It's all about the 'state', 'nation', 'strategic security', 'sovereignty' ... When they think about humans it's the "people" which becomes a massed stereotypical concept of what people are, deprived of individuality and differing opinions or characteristics.
 
NATO aren’t going to militarily get involved, the window of opportunity for that has passed. They could roll in and wipe out this much publicised military column heading for Kyiv if they really wanted to, but imagine what the ramifications of that would be. If anything, they’re banking on and enabling the inevitable insurgency to eventually push Russia out.
 
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