In any case, I would not want to join BoJo for dinner after he broke the law.
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In any case, I would not want to join BoJo for dinner after he broke the law.
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OK we all know I know feck all about politics, I freely admit that, but is this a joke account ?
I’d probably say the repeated times early last season when Ronaldo kept scoring later winners / equalisers to mask how poor United were. Boris stays in the job but the writing in on the wall for him and the party because he’s staying one.
Yes it is, Michael is constructed to Mick so it’s Sir Mick Take. The trouble is that we’re now at a place where it’s so hard to tell the difference between satirist and sycophant.
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This must have been a tough gig for GB News right, as I gather that they're split between Johnson supporters like Dan Wootton and those criticising him from the right for 'not being Conservative enough'.
It also never fails to amaze me that I've the Tory 'rebellion' as been described by quite a few people as a plot by 'remoaners'. Yes likes of the self-proclaimed Brexit hardman Steve Baker, David Davies or Andrew Bridgen have always been ardent remainers ! Of course those 3 and others were genuine Brexiteers while Johnson (sadly for the country) was a remainer who only cynically campaigned to leave as he knew it would improve his chances of winning a Tory leadership contest and becoming PM (and he clearly never wanted to actually win that referendum).
It also never fails to amaze me that I've the Tory 'rebellion' as been described by quite a few people as a plot by 'remoaners'. Yes likes of the self-proclaimed Brexit hardman Steve Baker, David Davies or Andrew Bridgen have always been ardent remainers ! Of course those 3 and others were genuine Brexiteers while Johnson (sadly for the country) was a remainer who only cynically campaigned to leave as he knew it would improve his chances of winning a Tory leadership contest and becoming PM (and he clearly never wanted to actually win that referendum).
Johnson got 52.6% of the vote in his constituency in the last election, which isn't that impressive. They'd probably elect a dustbin wearing a blue rosette in Uxbridge.
I can see it now
one of the reasons he wont call this snap election... very unlikely he holds his own constituency
probably would loose to a dustbin if there was an election soon
Yes that's very poor to be honest, especially given the fact that he also would have received an inevitable 'PM bounce' at the last election, plus the Labour vote share in the constituency also went down.
There were boundary changes between the 2005 and 2010 elections, but the respective constituencies that were merged to form Uxbridge and South Ruislip have always had Tory incumbents since at least the 60s, with Labour not even able to win there in 1997.
Johnson performed worse than Thatcher in 90 (who then got ousted days after), Major in 95 (who then got destroyed in the 97 GE) and May in 18 (who was then hounded out).
He’s lost the confidence of nearly half of his party and was routinely booed by flag waving royalists, he is the truest definition of a busted flush.
He’s lost the confidence of nearly half of his party and was routinely booed by flag waving royalists, he is the truest definition of a busted flush.
People liked the policies, as did I. Unfortunately years of Tories and their media machine blaming Labour for the global financial crisis and painting Corbyn as a racist commie terrorist meant they didn't vote for it. My point, which you seem to have missed, is that Labour should be able to run on that same manifesto with someone less divisive and more establishment friendly and increase their vote. Somehow Starmer seems incapable of doing that. I'm hoping he gets a fine from Durham police and we can get someone in who people can get behind.
Read the name back to yourself.
Absolutely.
Have you not considered that it's the policies themselves that got him demonised and attacked by the press in the first place?
I don't have any feelings for Starmer either btw and I think he's got some false belief that if he appeases the right people they'll give him an easier ride when the next GE is called. He'll get a barrage of Jimmy Savile nonsense from the likes of The Mail and The Sun, no doubt about it in my mind, regardless of what he says or does.
I think it was largely just being Labour and of course the other side of Labour being in sabotage mode.
The policies were fine they polled well and as we've seen the Tories can pick up the same policies and see them pushed as positive.
The issue was the package of policies together ended up boosting traditional attack lines against Labour. Other leaders might have pushed through it but Corbyn's character had become a caricature by then. Like Milliband a character assassination is enough to torpedo a credible policy package.
I think Boris is in that position now, he's lost the credibility that some thought he had. He's become a joke and there's only one route from there.
Something these commentators like Labour List (sounds very impartial btw) fail to understand is the bigger picture beyond these isolated polls. 'Would you like free stuff?' is a question almost everyone will answer yes to. Most of those people will then think how realistic is that, and how is it going to be paid for, especially when the policies are delivered by somebody like John McDonnell. Labour should be dead and buried as a party after Corbyn but Johnson has presented them with an opportunity to come back into the fold. They need to accept their manifesto just wasn't that appealing outside the echo chamber. As long as they keep blaming Tories/the media/the right/anybody who happens to catch their eye for their failings over the last few years they're never going to figure out what the public want.
The policies also got attacked by the right-wing media, as is inevitable - I remember a lot of use of the 'magic money tree' rhetoric at the time - but not as much as Corbyn himself was personally, as they knew most people agreed with the policies.
Give it a year, and it turned out that Rishi Sunac did have a magic money tree after all, and all the Conservative press did at that time was moan about face masks.
I think Labour's economic policy was popular in 2019. It's brexit position wasn't and more broadly it wasn't nationalist or racist enough to appeal to old white people.
I can't believe Boris Johnson is still your PM
Obviously the website isn't impartial, but I trust the yougov independent data they host on there to illustrate their article is impartial.
I'm sure you know that political parties don't simply cease to be because of one unpopular leader. That's why we see this cyclical thing with the same two parties swapping power in this country for over a century.
And if you don't think the majority of our print news in this country being owned by non-dom billionaire Conservatives isn't part of the problem with the UK public's perception of and interaction with politics, then I don't think it's worth engaging any further. It's clearly not a level playing field, and there are legitimate things to blame election results on beyond policy.
Andrew Bridgen was most certainly not an ardent remainer
I can't believe Boris Johnson is still your PM
There is a massive difference between politics and reality.
Of the 211 who supported Johnson, some 170 are part of or have jobs associated with the Cabinet. That tells you everything you need to know.
Politics is first and foremost about self preservation and not about putting the best interests of the country first.
Putting it bluntly, they really don't give a sh1t about the country and never have.
Ok. They have won the battle. But the internal Tory war is very far from over.
Ah so it begins, some of the 148 reminding us just how spineless they really are.
Meanwhile Rishi being roasted here.
Our local MP voted against him.
In passing he has effectively referred to Boris as an unqualified fool who defines the blind leading the blind and the future cause of an internal Tory meltdown. However this morning he has released a statement advising of his voting preference, but stands behind democracy and believes at this point everyone has to move on regardless of their views. Unfortunately the leader of the house and his actions in previous iterations of this type of vote will make this drag on longer.
Boris didn't win the vote - that's pure technicality. If the best part of 40% of the playing staff at United give up on Ten Hag 6 months into his tenure, you can bet your arses he won't even survive the season. Boris clings on, and Tory donors continue to play real life Monopoly. This decade-long scandal will all unravel when the natural course of another Labour-led government takes office again one day. Sadly, as sinister as it sounds, it appears a particular generation and demographic will have to die first for that to happen.
In passing he has effectively referred to Boris as an unqualified fool who defines the blind leading the blind and the future cause of an internal Tory meltdown. However this morning he has released a statement advising of his voting preference, but stands behind democracy and believes at this point everyone has to move on regardless of their views. Unfortunately the leader of the house and his actions in previous iterations of this type of vote will make this drag on longer.
Boris didn't win the vote - that's pure technicality. If the best part of 40% of the playing staff at United give up on Ten Hag 6 months into his tenure, you can bet your arses he won't even survive the season. Boris clings on, and Tory donors continue to play real life Monopoly. This decade-long scandal will all unravel when the natural course of another Labour-led government takes office again one day. Sadly, as sinister as it sounds, it appears a particular generation and demographic will have to die first for that to happen.
They'll use any language they've fed their supporters, 'remoaners' 'move on' 'get on with the job' 'beer gate'. Their supporters lap it up and believe them.
Jeez. Draw a line under it mate!
Labour should just use this as a political broadcast on all media channels at the next election:
The reason they had an unpopular leader is because they have so many militant members in their ranks who supported him. The likes of Momentum scared a lot of voters away.
There's not a single word in your post that suggests you think the policies were at fault. It's this thinking that has condemned Labour to the wilderness for the last 15 years. It's always somebody else's fault why nobody votes for them. It plays straight into the oppositions' hands.
I know it's a conspiracy by the #scumedia.
It’s amazing when there is someone as incompetent as Boris that another member of government can look even worse but Nadine Dorries is bloody giving it a good go.
The relentless blaming of the press is just so counterproductive. Telling people repeatedly they are mere puppets of the press, even where there is some truth to it, is also telling people they are stupid, and calling people stupid does not win votes. A lesson learned from the referendum campaign, calling everyone stupid is a fecking bad plan.
Regarding Corbyn, I thought that the 2017 manifesto was vastly superior than the 2019 manifesto, which did come across as an over-stuffed Christmas wishlist. I still much preferred that to the wafer thin Tory manifesto though (they had very little to say other than 'Get Brexit Done' which sadly stuck).
Had the 2019 election 'somehow' produced the numbers for a Labour led government (ultimately they were always doomed in a Brexit election and whatever their Brexit policy was), ‘moderate’ back bench Labour MPs would have had a huge amount of power, so the manifesto would inevitably have been watered down.
Had the 2019 election 'somehow' produced the numbers for a Labour led government (ultimately they were always doomed in a Brexit election and whatever their Brexit policy was), ‘moderate’ back bench Labour MPs would have had a huge amount of power, so the manifesto would inevitably have been watered down.
How many people are there who can get away with that and become PM?
He must be thinking life is a software simulation and he can do whatever he wants.