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Maticmaker said:
Are you kidding?
It took 40 years to get what was thought to be a 'sure fire remain result' referendum from our Government. Cannot see any UK government offering another EU referendum (any referendum for that matter) in the foreseeable future! Also don't forget there was as much a 'sigh of relief' in parts of the EU that the 'awkward Brits' had gone, as there was in the Brexit speaking half of our population.
If we don't make a go of Brexit then EU won't want us back as an 'economic basket' case, why would they, they have learned their lesson on that score?
If we are successful we won't want to go back, especially if the EU is riven by doubts at events unfolding (or might have unfolded) in Eastern Europe and/or mass migration issues have trebled?
We are on our own now and will have to live with the outcomes.
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Perhaps you've missed the previous posts by others in this thread discussing how to get back in and people from EU countries saying the EU won't take the UK back that quickly. I'm not sure what you're reacting to and singling out my post. Could be a minimum of 20 years, 30 40 or not in our lifetime due to the reasons I stated.
 
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redshaw said:
Perhaps you've missed the previous posts by others in this thread discussing how to get back in and people from EU countries saying the EU won't take the UK back that quickly. I'm not sure what you're reacting to and singling out my post. Could be a minimum of 20 years, 30 40 or not in our lifetime due to the reasons I stated.
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I suppose I was reacting to the twenty years, and was not singling out your post, if it seems that way I apologise.

However it still remains that I cannot see that rejoining is happening in any foreseeable time frame because for a start the consensus in the UK is not guaranteed; remember Cameron was so sure he would get a 'yes' to remain and entered into a referendum with no clear margin for winning, or losing. Any new referendum would take years to work out the rules, never mind put it to the vote... and that is just in the UK.
The EU may or may not considered it a good thing to have the UK back in the fold, but I suspect on balance its a 'No', certainly ...once again for the foreseeable future. What is happening in East Europe will also have an impact, whichever way it goes.

Also it seems to be accepted (albeit in retrospect) that most people voting leave were concerned with sovereignty and self determination, where as most people who voted remain were concerned with economics and closer political union. I don't see how things have changed that much, in the UK this 'apple and oranges' thing, or 'talking to the back of peoples heads' has not gone away and is unlikely to do so.
 
Maticmaker said:
I suppose I was reacting to the twenty years, and was not singling out your post, if it seems that way I apologise.

However it still remains that I cannot see that rejoining is happening in any foreseeable time frame because for a start the consensus in the UK is not guaranteed; remember Cameron was so sure he would get a 'yes' to remain and entered into a referendum with no clear margin for winning, or losing. Any new referendum would take years to work out the rules, never mind put it to the vote... and that is just in the UK.
The EU may or may not considered it a good thing to have the UK back in the fold, but I suspect on balance its a 'No', certainly ...once again for the foreseeable future. What is happening in East Europe will also have an impact, whichever way it goes.

Also it seems to be accepted (albeit in retrospect) that most people voting leave were concerned with sovereignty and self determination, where as most people who voted remain were concerned with economics and closer political union. I don't see how things have changed that much, in the UK this 'apple and oranges' thing, or 'talking to the back of peoples heads' has not gone away and is unlikely to do so.
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Got to agree with you about the very low likelihood of the UK rejoining the EU. At least in the next few decades.
I can see little appetite on either side for that quite frankly.
We have unfortunately made our bed and will just have to lie in it until there is a groundswell of option to do something about it.
 
The words 'sovereignty and self determination' don't really convey much in isolation. I think you'll find that most people who cite that as the reasons will then follow it up by explaining that they believed the EU were forcing us to take in more migrants, forcing laws on us, stifling our ability to compete in a free market etc...

Now that those things are starting to be proven patently untrue it's only stubbornness and pride that won't see them shift opinion.
 
horsechoker said:
He probably thinks refugees should carry a big sign saying which war they are fleeing from. I doubt he even cares but he can look up "wars" that are ongoing like this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts

Truth be told he doesn't care how or why they are here, he just wants this country to only permit a very small number of white people
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You can always get one evil moron but the clapping of a large section of the congregation/meeting is more disturbing.
 
Frosty said:
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This would fit perfect on a nazi speech and the clapping that follows him, and i suspect is not a small minority (hopefully stays a minority) as hey are saying that into the open without shame. UK is veering to a dangerous path if it keeps progressing. Brexit was a symptom of somthing too ingrained in society
 
4bars said:
This would fit perfect on a nazi speech and the clapping that follows him, and i suspect is not a small minority (hopefully stays a minority) as hey are saying that into the open without shame. UK is veering to a dangerous path if it keeps progressing. Brexit was a symptom of somthing too ingrained in society
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RedChip said:
She thinks she is a visionary.
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Well, EN is something completely different than an EU.
For starters, many English might think EN stands for England and they would be blissfully and ignorantly happy with that. EU in contrast is bad per se, because it flows seemlessly in EUrope and that alone kind of causes a headache to your average Tory voter.
 
Massive Spanner said:
I'm all for Brexit bashing, but there's a shortage in Ireland too, though?

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2023/0221/1357956-grocery-ireland/

No doubt because our supply chain is linked to the UK but there certainly is more of a shortage of vegetables right now due to poor weather than usual.
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You could link it because of the problems in the UK affecting Ireland . But to use bad weather in Spain and Morocco as the excuse, the argument sort of falls down when elsewhere nobody has that problem.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
You could link it because of the problems in the UK affecting Ireland . But to use bad weather in Spain and Morocco as the excuse, the argument sort of falls down when elsewhere nobody has that problem.
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What do you mean? Isn't Italy currently facing draught conditions? is Ireland not in the EU now? We get all those vegetables from the EU.
 
Massive Spanner said:
What do you mean? Isn't Italy currently facing draught conditions? is Ireland not in the EU now? We get all those vegetables from the EU.
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Drought. There are no shortages in shops in mainland Europe. The main problem would be the deliveries which will become more of a problem as time goes on. Why would lorries travel to the UK when they can deliver elsewhere. Lorries want produce to deliver both ways without hassle. This was pointed out years ago.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Drought. There are no shortages in shops in mainland Europe. The main problem would be the deliveries which will become more of a problem as time goes on. Why would lorries travel to the UK when they can deliver elsewhere. Lorries want produce to deliver both ways without hassle. This was pointed out years ago.
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Or Ireland, which is in the EU.

I'm all for Brexit bashing but clearly there are food shortages that are having an adverse effect on countries not first on the foodchain, not just the UK.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Or Ireland, which is in the EU.

I'm all for Brexit bashing but clearly there are food shortages that are having an adverse effect on countries not first on the foodchain, not just the UK.
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Of course at various points in time there are food shortages in various countries. However shops are full of fruit and veg throughout mainland Europe.

Trucks that used to go to the Uk and some onwards overland/Irish Sea to Ireland and back again don't go anymore. It's not worth their while. In an earlier article they used the excuse of bad weather in Spain and Morocco. Whilst there may have been bad weather, the shops here are full of produce from Spain and Morocco.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Of course at various points in time there are food shortages in various countries. However shops are full of fruit and veg throughout mainland Europe.

Trucks that used to go to the Uk and some onwards overland/Irish Sea to Ireland and back again don't go anymore. It's not worth their while. In an earlier article they used the excuse of bad weather in Spain and Morocco. Whilst there may have been bad weather, the shops here are full of produce from Spain and Morocco.
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But the claim was that the UK media are blaming bad weather instead of Brexit.

Well, so are the Irish media, who have generally been really critical of Brexit.

I'm no expert but if there's bad weather causing less vegetables, and we're getting less produce than we normally would here in Ireland then it sounds like the main problem is, wait for it, bad weather.
 
Massive Spanner said:
But the claim was that the UK media are blaming bad weather instead of Brexit.

Well, so are the Irish media, who have generally been really critical of Brexit.

I'm no expert but if there's bad weather causing less vegetables, and we're getting less produce than we normally would here in Ireland then it sounds like the main problem is, wait for it, bad weather.
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Why is nowhere else in Europe short of fruit or veg or did the snow / drought only affect the crops bound for Ireland and the UK?
Another reason I heard was that the growers could not afford to heat their greenhouses because they got no subsidies for the cost of energy from the government in the UK.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Why is nowhere else in Europe short of fruit or veg or did the snow / drought only affect the crops bound for Ireland and the UK?
Another reason I heard was that the growers could not afford to heat their greenhouses because they got no subsidies for the cost of energy from the government in the UK.
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You mean the two islands that aren't on mainland Europe and are more difficult to send to?

I'm not doubting if the UK was still in the EU then it would be easier to transport this produce. But Ireland is still in the EU and clearly there's a shortage which means countries on the mainland are being prioritised because they're easier and cheaper to transport what's there to than us and the UK are. Clearly bad weather is having an impact, otherwise there would be no shortage here in Ireland, because there hasn't been up until... now.

it's weird you're being so stubborn after I literally posted an article (one of many) from a country inside the EU that has had food shortages because of bad weather :lol:
 
Massive Spanner said:
You mean the two islands that aren't on mainland Europe and are more difficult to send to?

I'm not doubting if the UK was still in the EU then it would be easier to transport this produce. But Ireland is still in the EU and clearly there's a shortage which means countries on the mainland are being prioritised because they're easier and cheaper to transport what's there to than us and the UK are. Clearly bad weather is having an impact, otherwise there would be no shortage here in Ireland, because there hasn't been up until... now.
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Surprisingly there is bad weather quite often, usually every year. It has affected certain grape crops in France and some wine producers have had problems but there is no shortage of wine.

Exactly, the two islands that weren't difficult to send to before Brexit for the reasons I mentioned earlier. Add the energy problem and the weather. Brexit is not the sole reason but is a major contributory factor.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Surprisingly there is bad weather quite often, usually every year. It has affected certain grape crops in France and some wine producers have had problems but there is no shortage of wine.

Exactly, the two islands that weren't difficult to send to before Brexit for the reasons I mentioned earlier. Add the energy problem and the weather. Brexit is not the sole reason but is a major contributory factor.
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Of course there's no shortage of wine in the country that makes the wine :lol:

Have you even read the article? It says the problem isn't just Europe but also the US. It's not the Government saying it either, it's our supermarkets.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Of course there's no shortage of wine in the country that makes the wine :lol:

Have you even read the article? It says the problem isn't just Europe but also the US. It's not the Government saying it either, it's our supermarkets.
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Yes I have read the article and here is a quote


"They say salad products such as tomatoes, peppers and cucumbers are in short supply due to bad weather conditions in Italy and Spain.

Tesco Ireland said that "due to bad weather in seasonal supply from Morocco and Spain, the growing and harvesting schedules of some produce have been impacted".

We have loads of tomatoes, peppers , cucumbers, oranges, and loads of other products from Spain and Morocco. Weird.

Can't see USA mentioned but they're too far away for fresh food.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Yes I have read the article and here is a quote


"They say salad products such as tomatoes, peppers and cucumbers are in short supply due to bad weather conditions in Italy and Spain.

Tesco Ireland said that "due to bad weather in seasonal supply from Morocco and Spain, the growing and harvesting schedules of some produce have been impacted".

We have loads of tomatoes, peppers , cucumbers, oranges, and loads of other products from Spain and Morocco. Weird.

Can't see USA mentioned but they're too far away for fresh food.
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Spain and Morocco are a lot closer to France than Ireland.

anyway, clearly you have a weird obsession with this and refuse to accept it’s due to anything but brexit so I’ll leave you at it.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Spain and Morocco are a lot closer to France than Ireland.

anyway, clearly you have a weird obsession with this and refuse to accept it’s due to anything but brexit so I’ll leave you at it.
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Germany and all the other European countries aren't. They're just delivering elsewhere. Too much hassle.
 
not sure about the bad weather argument either, I live in Spain and it was 20C in the north of Spain on Saturday and hasn't rained for a few weeks, finally started raining today. There has also been literally zero in the news about crop damages and shortages. The only news reports are Spanish outlets reporting the UK news. Seems weird that it is only reported in the UK
 
RedRoach said:
not sure about the bad weather argument either, I live in Spain and it was 20C in the north of Spain on Saturday and hasn't rained for a few weeks, finally started raining today. There has also been literally zero in the news about crop damages and shortages. The only news reports are Spanish outlets reporting the UK news. Seems weird that it is only reported in the UK
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There has been bad weather in 2022 which we witnessed but it's not really affecting anyone at the minute, it did 5 or 6 months ago with things like tomato, potato or salad. For spain the current poor recolts affect olives but not the rest, as far as I know.

From the outside it seems that they are trying to blur the lines with mentioning an actual drought that had consequences in the past 12 months but isn't really an issue for the vast majority of fresh products this winter. If the article was about oil and its price, they would be correct though.
 
Morroco apparently had bad weather during crop season and it effected their produce. It's probably a mixture of Brexit as well as bad weather effecting supply.
 
JPRouve said:
There has been bad weather in 2022 which we witnessed but it's not really affecting anyone at the minute, it did 5 or 6 months ago with things like tomato, potato or salad. For spain the current poor recolts affect olives but not the rest, as far as I know.

From the outside it seems that they are trying to blur the lines with mentioning an actual drought that had consequences in the past 12 months but isn't really an issue for the vast majority of fresh products this winter. If the article was about oil and its price, they would be correct though.
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Yeah probably it is the veg that gets harvested and stored in oxygen free storage units months in advance awaiting shipment to the UK. Which is also why the tomatoes in the UK taste of nothing I guess.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Spain and Morocco are a lot closer to France than Ireland.

anyway, clearly you have a weird obsession with this and refuse to accept it’s due to anything but brexit so I’ll leave you at it.
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Much further the nordic countries. What paul is trying to say is that trucks had it easy to deliver to the UK. Now they dont and its the last option to deliver. Transportation in ireland is heavily interlinked and dependent on UK because they cross the canal from mainland europe to the great island. If few truck goes to UK, few tracks will go to ireland as they have to double cross. If you have slightly shortage of produce and you have to choose, you will go to other countries. If the produce is bountiful you dont need to choose where to deliver. In other words. Brexit made UK one of the last options because of the nuisances and ireland sufferw the consequences.

The same would happen with portugal/spain. If spain would be out of the EU and there was a shortage of something from europe, portugal would suffer the consequences bc connectivity
 
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