Westminster Politics

Surely the best way to tackle emissions is to build cars which actually last and are sustainable.

A wealthy person on their third tesla in 5 years is making a much greater carbon footprint than the man driving the same car for 20 years.

But that's capitalism for you where the motive for everything is profit. Why build cars which last 20 years when you can make more money making the consumer change car every 5-10. And long behold we get a convoy of cars with a lower carbon footprint when running but then wheen you take manufacturing and transport of said cars into account, the carbon footprint from that is much greater than that of the man using the same car for a couple of decades.
Do those Tesla’s get scrapped?
 
Do those Tesla’s get scrapped?
Nah but perfectly good cars in working order get scrapped to facilitate materialistic people wanting to lease and/or buy brand new cars they don't need.

It's a waterfall model which works its way down. Why fix a head gasket at 500 quid when you can lease a 5 year old audi at 200 a month.

But the person driving the same car for 20 years will always have a lower carbon footprint than the person who has changed car 5 times in that period.
 
An estimated 1.5 million in and around London will be affected by it.

Of course it's a tax. The very definition of a stealth tax really. Marketed as something else but unavoidable for the people impacted by it and designed to fill empty coffers.

1.5m affected by it. But who? Genuine question. Who is driving a car that they cannot switch for a ULEZ compliant car? I could be way off base but that number seems to be vanishingly low, and while we’re told it’s low income folks affected… it’s actually wealthy people in polluting cars that are on the hook.

That’s why I state it’s not a true tax. It’s a punitive tax (yes my language was sloppy) on bad behaviour. So yeah, a tax but do see my point.

Again, I’m not dying on a hill. I think it’s been poorly rolled out and from what I understand, tradespeople and disabled people have really taken a hit in some cases. But I’ve genuinely only seen The Mail, Express, Sun, Telegraoh, all talk shite about being worried about the little people. But nothing to support that actually happening.

It’s the same shite as LTN’s. Unbridled success that upsets some, so garbage media entities co-opt idiots into hating them. People that live in them, love them. Traffic doesn’t get worse.

It all looks the same to me. I could have very easily missed some key studies but it’s all very vague and woo, supported by people that are normally wrong about everything.
 
Nah but perfectly good cars in working order get scrapped to facilitate materialistic people wanting to lease and/or buy brand new cars they don't need.

It's a waterfall model which works its way down. Why fix a head gasket at 500 quid when you can lease a 5 year old audi at 200 a month.

But the person driving the same car for 20 years will always have a lower carbon footprint than the person who has changed car 5 times in that period.
No they don’t, they get sold down the chain.
 
No they don’t, they get sold down the chain.
You mean the waterfall model in my second paragraph?

You need to go back to your 3 r's - reduce, reuse, recycle.

Electric cars reduce emissions but they don't help with reusing or recycling existing cars.

As I said its a waterfall model that goes down the chain but ultimately contributes hugely to carbon emissions when it comes to a cars life cycle. For whatever reason people seem to only like to focus on cars which use less emissions and are ignorant towards everything else which contributes.
 
Not entirely sure how this makes him look like a tosser.
I mean, he’s 100% correct. But sure. If that’s how you feel.
By pretending ULez is anything other than a money grab. Trying to make out people opposing are somehow in the same bracket as anti vaccers and the far right. Absolutely no reason at all to even start mentioning that.

Also @UnrelatedPsuedo
Just an ode to your comment about the transport in the city being incredible. Do you travel using London transport on a daily basis out of interest? Because I can’t actually fathom how anyone who does would think that :lol:
 
@UnrelatedPsuedo
Just an ode to your comment about the transport in the city being incredible. Do you travel using London transport on a daily basis out of interest? Because I can’t actually fathom how anyone who does would think that :lol:

Compared to most other places in the UK, and indeed other countries (the US, for example) the public transport in London is incredible. We love to moan about it because it’s ours and we’re a moany lot, but it’s easily one of the best in the world comparatively - particularly for the size of population, and you're never more than half a mile from more than one form of it.

Also passenger satisfaction has consistently been around 85%

https://www.statista.com/statistics/412796/london-underground-customer-satisfaction/
 
Why were Braverman & Sunak just sitting there basically laughing?

Those facial expressions are literally the closest thing to a response to the questions that she can muster. When she's at the dispatch box she totally ignores any argument put to her and continues to waffle utter bollocks ad nuaseam.

Sunak the same, just with less conviction.
 
Why were Braverman & Sunak just sitting there basically laughing?
It's what they do every week.

Sunak will be out with his buzzword bingo again tomorrow ducking and diving any question:

"But this party here voted down <insert illegal Bill which would never get through the lords>, they don't care"

"But this man here worked under Jeremy Corbyn. The biggest risk to our country (replace with wealthy) in a generation" (added irony given he was chancellor under Boris)

"We helped the most vulnerable during the Pandemic and always will" (As in giving those on JSA an extra 20 quid a month while people on furlough got 30k a year. And let's not start on the covid fraud too)

"The problem with the party on the other side is they don't have solutions" (aka we created a mess and someone else should spoon feed us how to fix it and let us then claim its our own idea)

"But we have supported the most vulnerable with the energy crisis by introducing windfall taxes" (An idea you never came up with and then added a load of loopholes which meant shell paid no windfall tax)


Same shit different week.
 
Compared to most other places in the UK, and indeed other countries (the US, for example) the public transport in London is incredible. We love to moan about it because it’s ours and we’re a moany lot, but it’s easily one of the best in the world comparatively - particularly for the size of population, and you're never more than half a mile from more than one form of it.

Also passenger satisfaction has consistently been around 85%

https://www.statista.com/statistics/412796/london-underground-customer-satisfaction/
As your article points out - 2020. Since covid it’s been a complete and utter mess. It might be better than every other countries but it’s the most expensive transport system in the world in terms of customer spend (well it was a few years ago, shocked if it’s changed)
It’s all well and good having good connections but when you have constant strikes, delays, cancellations, overly crowded buses and trains how good is it really. Can’t go one weekend without about 200 stations or lines closing. you’re hiking prices and producing a poorer service than you were five years ago. Your changing all your roads into one ways and cycle lanes and buses end up getting caught in choker block traffic. Honestly other than having lots of lines and stations it’s been pathetic for a good three years now.
 
As your article points out - 2020. Since covid it’s been a complete and utter mess. It might be better than every other countries but it’s the most expensive transport system in the world in terms of customer spend (well it was a few years ago, shocked if it’s changed)
It’s all well and good having good connections but when you have constant strikes, delays, cancellations, overly crowded buses and trains how good is it really. Can’t go one weekend without about 200 stations or lines closing. you’re hiking prices and producing a poorer service than you were five years ago. Your changing all your roads into one ways and cycle lanes and buses end up getting caught in choker block traffic. Honestly other than having lots of lines and stations it’s been pathetic for a good three years now.

Good luck when you go to any other UK city and experience their public transport which is a lot less reliable, covers less areas and is incredibly slow and outdated and at a much greater cost too.

Not trying to say the problems you mentioned don't exist. But it's a bit of a kick in the teeth giving that londoners get a huge amount per head for public transport compared to the rest of us.
 
The "far right" jibe aside, it's not the Ulez that pisses me off about this arsehole, it's that taxing people is better for them than actually looking at the problems and pretending that it's the best way.

I'm not affected, I've been compliant since the beginning, but I do have to drive into London a fair amount to work and the problems with traffic pollution are far worse with the constant road schemes that clog up the flow and make you sit still for ages even in times of light traffic flow. Hell people who go back far enough might even remember Livingstone actually admitting in local business meetings that the light systems were changed in key areas (like the Barbican) to make figures worse to bring in the Congestion charge in the first place.

The endless amount of roadworks which completely clash, permits to take over parking, changing of one ways, unused cycle lanes, barely used bus lanes that you at least used to be allowed to drive in at certain times but now unfathomably can't which extends the hours of congestion, these are not exclusive to London but are definitely getting worse and where they should be looking at. And I won't even start on those eco zones (some of which have already been taken out again) which just made it all worse.

But no, it's just easier to raise the Congestion/parking charges and add new ones in. Which do the square root of feck all ultimately, but line their pockets. They haven't even used the massive amount of money made to make every bus cab electric.

As an aside, I actually think this is the model they are using in the likes of Manchester and Leeds too, the amount of ridiculous new road layouts being put in place surely means multiple charges on the way for most major cities.



Good luck when you go to any other UK city and experience their public transport which is a lot less reliable, covers less areas and is incredibly slow and outdated and at a much greater cost too.

Not trying to say the problems you mentioned don't exist. But it's a bit of a kick in the teeth giving that londoners get a huge amount per head for public transport compared to the rest of us.

Yep. And as I said above, I'm in the northern major cities a fair amount and they are doing the same tricks to block up the roads in those places too.
 
Compared to most other places in the UK, and indeed other countries (the US, for example) the public transport in London is incredible. We love to moan about it because it’s ours and we’re a moany lot, but it’s easily one of the best in the world comparatively - particularly for the size of population, and you're never more than half a mile from more than one form of it.

Also passenger satisfaction has consistently been around 85%

https://www.statista.com/statistics/412796/london-underground-customer-satisfaction/
Speaking from Lancashire I love the public transport in London, it's brilliant. To be fair the likes of Manchester and Liverpool are decent, it's the towns and smaller cities that are shit and expensive.
 
Those facial expressions are literally the closest thing to a response to the questions that she can muster. When she's at the dispatch box she totally ignores any argument put to her and continues to waffle utter bollocks ad nuaseam.

Sunak the same, just with less conviction.
It's what they do every week.

Sunak will be out with his buzzword bingo again tomorrow ducking and diving any question:

"But this party here voted down <insert illegal Bill which would never get through the lords>, they don't care"

"But this man here worked under Jeremy Corbyn. The biggest risk to our country (replace with wealthy) in a generation" (added irony given he was chancellor under Boris)

"We helped the most vulnerable during the Pandemic and always will" (As in giving those on JSA an extra 20 quid a month while people on furlough got 30k a year. And let's not start on the covid fraud too)

"The problem with the party on the other side is they don't have solutions" (aka we created a mess and someone else should spoon feed us how to fix it and let us then claim its our own idea)

"But we have supported the most vulnerable with the energy crisis by introducing windfall taxes" (An idea you never came up with and then added a load of loopholes which meant shell paid no windfall tax)


Same shit different week.
1. The tories don't care

2. The tories also know Labour doesn't care and doesn't have a plan.
Appreciate the replies. I knew there always is yelling, but never seen almost outright, gleeful laughing.
 
Appreciate the replies. I knew there always is yelling, but never seen almost outright, gleeful laughing.
Laughing was a frequent occurrence under BJ. But sunak and his troops also do it rather regularly.

Aside from Dominic Raab who seems to have an inability to even fake laugh. He instead just holds some open mouthed stare and looks a bit like a shark. A bit like this

the-shining-2JPG.jpg


I highly recommend recording and watching PMQs, if you're into politics it's actually quite an enjoyable watch. I watch it over lunch every Wednesday.
 
Laughing was a frequent occurrence under BJ. But sunak and his troops also do it rather regularly.

Aside from Dominic Raab who seems to have an inability to even fake laugh. He instead just holds some open mouthed stare and looks a bit like a shark. A bit like this

the-shining-2JPG.jpg


I highly recommend recording and watching PMQs, if you're into politics it's actually quite an enjoyable watch. I watch it over lunch every Wednesday.
I am definitely keen on politics. Is there a website where I can watch it live?
 
I am definitely keen on politics. Is there a website where I can watch it live?
BBC iplayer should have it I imagine. I wfh so I just watch it on BBC Parliament usually but think its also on bbc1 or bbc2. Reason I watch it on Parliament as its slightly more extended whereas once the slot for the show ends on BBC 1/2 it will just cut it off mid debate sometimes.
 
BBC iplayer should have it I imagine. I wfh so I just watch it on BBC Parliament usually but think its also on bbc1 or bbc2. Reason I watch it on Parliament as its slightly more extended whereas once the slot for the show ends on BBC 1/2 it will just cut it off mid debate sometimes.
I’m across the pond. I’ll check YouTube to see if anyone posts them on there.
 
Let's be kind to their voters though, we don't want to make them uncomfortable for voting this despicable buch of racist neo-fascists, or they may just not stop voting for them.
 
I’m across the pond. I’ll check YouTube to see if anyone posts them on there.

Highly recommend watching some old PMQ clips (pretty niche to be fair) or general legendary parliamentary speeches, (e.g. Robin Cook resigning over Iraq, absolute classic).

Gives a good juxtaposition to the current shambolic parliamentary spectacle we're treated to on a near daily basis - just like the ridiculously low quality, shit speeches from Braverman/Lee posted above.
 
Sweet Jesus they have the podium with their new three word slogan: STOP THE BOATS


We've done it. We've descended into political depravity. David Cameron was a cnut but they had a handful of achievements to prop them up. These morons have nothing but hateful slogans and distractions.

Before they stop the boats can I get on one so I can sail to the fecking moon?
 
Compared to most other places in the UK, and indeed other countries (the US, for example) the public transport in London is incredible. We love to moan about it because it’s ours and we’re a moany lot, but it’s easily one of the best in the world comparatively - particularly for the size of population, and you're never more than half a mile from more than one form of it.

Also passenger satisfaction has consistently been around 85%

https://www.statista.com/statistics/412796/london-underground-customer-satisfaction/
Anyone I've ever met from London says that driving there is a waste of time, the few times I've been there I've seen why they might say that.
 
You get this shit when they have nothing else to offer.
What is the obsession with immigration in this country ffs?
Why is there a cost of living crisis?

a) a complicated and diverse range of reasons that require deep thought and discussion to properly understand
b) forriners and imigrints

Same shit happened with the financial crisis a decade ago, except the Tories can't additionally blame Gordon Brown for selling a load of gold this time.
 
You get this shit when they have nothing else to offer.
What is the obsession with immigration in this country ffs?

Because the Tories know it triggers the voters and makes them talk about that rather than the shite mess the country is in. Their base will lap this up and the fecking thick voters will fall for it. You basically need the Mick Lynch approach to interviews and call them out as liars. More people need to do that.