He could make a deal with the West, and that would be the logical thing to do. But this is a guy who heads up a savage mercenary group and spreads propaganda and otherwise interferes in foreign elections. His bread and butter is pretty nefarious. Doesn’t strike me as someone who wants to make peace and rebuild in the long term.
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He could make a deal with the West, and that would be the logical thing to do. But this is a guy who heads up a savage mercenary group and spreads propaganda and otherwise interferes in foreign elections. His bread and butter is pretty nefarious. Doesn’t strike me as someone who wants to make peace and rebuild in the long term.
The regions are controlled by oligarchs and the neighbouring states (with their artificial borders, in that they dont reflect ethnic realities on the ground- ironically much like with crimea etc) are run predominately by dictators. Without Putins centralised power, and lets be honest the fear of brutal reprisals from him and his cronies, you could end up with civil war type conflicts all across the ex-russian territories. But then again, War is profitable.
The Republic of Mar a Lago!
In an ideal world Wagner group could have dialogue with the West and instead of more bloodshed use their perceived strong position to broker dialogue with Putin.
Yeah that's idealistic but we have yet to see what Wagner group really want, is it power or just revenge on Putin.
The West should really be putting pressure on Putin now to end the war, he is in a very weak position and a push to end all bloodshed should be priority, instead of sitting back and allowing more civilians to die.
And quite frankly some of the comments I have received back regarding Russian civilians are disgusting and show some on here in there real light.
Should be banned but that's another matter entirely.
TLDR: Belarussian regiment fighting in Ukraine with the message to belarussians - be ready, wait for our signal.
Actually using Ukraine as an example is precisely why no regime is going to give up nukes. Especially by its enemies politely demanding it.
I don't see what one thing has to do with the other. No one would expect them to do anyting out of kindness. But the argument would be that seeking peace in exchange for economic assurances would be in their own self interest.
Pulling Stallone into this is risky
The fact that both Putin and Lukashenko have fled makes me think that this is indeed actually quite a big deal.
As mad as this is getting I wouldn't be surprised to see Putin asking for, and getting, Nato help to defeat Wagner.
The West need to be involved now in terms of putting the pressure on Putin.
He is in a weak position and is danger of seeing his position of power crumble.
Maybe dialogue with the Wagner group is not out of the question to ascertain exactly what they want from this.
So Macron should call again?
Tonight could be decisive for Putin's regime, even his life. Reports saying a big Wagner column with around 400 vehicles and reportedly Prigozhin's most trusted and best fighters is forcing it's way towards Moscow, by passing every big town and settlement. They also drive in distance to each other, so Russian aviation attacks do only limited damage. Their objective is pretty clear and if they manage to enter Moscow/Kremlin, no one can predict further actions. If even one important person changes sides, it could trigger a domino effect and Putin's reign will be over.
I think his focus first of all is Donetsk, and this conflict is clearly not helping his war. If Prigozhin comes out on top, though, I believe he and and Girkin could come to agreement.
Or perhaps Russian NATO membership to defeat Prigozhin ?
Running out of space in my veins to inject all of these updates.
Not sure Macron is exactly the strongest of guys, to much of a pal with Putin to be forceful.
can't believe you're all wasting your time on this nonsense when we're so close to signing Mason Mount
Fully expecting an alien invasion by the end of the weekend and everyone joining Nato.
What about the west ?
“Hi, yes, this is the US Navy. Could you give us the exact positions of all your guys in Ukraine, please? To make sure we don’t hit them by accident. Yep, perfect, thanks!”
Didn't expect Prigozhin to have the initiative, or more importantly, enough influence on his men to do something like this. Even if his increasingly unhinged Colonel Kurtz style "the inept military leadership are holding us back" ranting turned out to be genuine, and not some directed ploy.
North Korea, probably.
Wagners must be pretty confident they aren't going to be met with much resistance. Prigozhin must have secured some pretty strong assurances before he moved.
Elets is 400 km south of Moscow. If Russia's army can't stop them along the way, they will reach Moscow tonight or early morning.
Hitler’s ghost when he hears Wagner is approaching Moscow
He is gambling on public and lower level military opinion and is being proven right so far.
These things can change very quickly though.
Where the feck is the Air force? Switched sides or really that incompetent .
He would probably have to stay away from any NATO/EU members (maybe even except for Turkey, Hungary and Greece), Switzerland, Japan, South Korea and Australia, but anywhere else should be fine I guess? The number of countries, which condemn him isn't actually that big, is it?
rumours on twitter of wagner troops taking a detour to a russian nuclear site.
His deputy has taken a flight to Turkey (according to twitter), hes also meant to be Russias richest man.
With elite escaping to St. Petersburg, could we wake up tomorrow with Russia having a different de facto capital?
I see your thinking but I think it’s be foolish of any western leader to get involved here. It just invites the western vitriol with actual evidence behind it.
If Sunak was seen to wade in here, it’d play horrifically. This is a case of letting enemies of the enemy destroy themselves. Once a presidence has been set, the west should start dialogue.
I think it’s dangerous to start anything before we know what the outcome of the current situation is.
That would put a bunch of people in windowless rooms all over the world rather nervous.
Nah. That's something his ego will never allow for. The man hates everything NATO stands for.
Thank feck we dont have Trump and Johnson in charge. would be a clusterfeck.
Thought about this earlier. With the long list of people that tried and failed there would be some irony for it to be a hot-dog selling ex-convict to succeed. Perhaps preparing fast food is simply better practice than being a failed artist.Hitler’s ghost when he hears Wagner is approaching Moscow