Westminster Politics

I think there is a very dangerous combination of arrogance and complacency in this country. People have been so comfortable for so long and just assume that we have reached a standard of society which it’s not possible to regress from.

The reason this country is comfortable and prosperous is because we valued the infrastructure it was built on. NHS, Education etc and they are being purposely sabotaged so capitalists can pillage them. We have an incredibly malicious government right now which is beholden to right wing think tanks who are essentially run by disaster capitalists. Everything bad that is happening right now is by design because one man’s loss is another man’s profit and they are doing all they can to make sure the public lose as much as possible.

I agree. My wife works for the NHS and I work with schools, colleges etc as a consultant on their buildings and maintenance. I can see in both cases how bad it has got - the NHS are struggling like mad to get enough staff to cover the amount of patients, budget cuts causing all sorts of issues. These doctors and especially nurses, in my opinion, are criminally underpaid - and these days they're now having to pay for their degree to get into a profession that is not worth it financially. These latest pay rises that nurses received are just beyond a joke. If they grafted like they do in any other profession, building relationships with clients etc as they do patients, some of these people would be highly successful. The NHS is honestly teetering on the edge, the stories I hear are frightening and I think if the general public knew exactly how bad it was, there would be more urgency to stand up to the government and do something about it. Once it has gone then we are all screwed, because I couldn't imagine trying to fund private healthcare for my family, on top of what we are already dealing with.

It's the same with schools. Budget cuts have left schools in such a bad state. We are often working on shoestring budgets with schools, trying to keep them going. Give it 5 or 10 more years and they'll be left with schools that are no longer feasible to maintain and will simply need replacing. It's clear that they want to push academies as they have much more money and tend to waste it like it grows on trees. The whole system is fecked.

With regards to inflation though, could somebody explain how we have come to where we are? I read that interest rates were at 0.1% only a few years ago, and now we're at 5%. Mortgage payments are sky rocketing, in some cases they are doubling. Where does this end? It feels like half the nation will be living on the streets if they don't sort this out.
 
They've just pillaged the country for cash and wealth. That's the game, enrich themselves and their mates, reduce our liberties to protest and leave the country an absolute state.

It's mental. And yet the British public largely stay quiet whilst we get shafted. It honestly feels to me that there needs to be a serious backlash from the public to feck off these cretins and push some sort of reform with politics. It shocks me how they can just be allowed to get away with what they do, and if they get pulled up on any of it they're almost laughing as if it's a joke. They don't give a shit. One day the shit will hit the fan and people will take to the streets, but knowing how we grin and sit by, it will probably all be too late.
 
It's mental. And yet the British public largely stay quiet whilst we get shafted. It honestly feels to me that there needs to be a serious backlash from the public to feck off these cretins and push some sort of reform with politics. It shocks me how they can just be allowed to get away with what they do, and if they get pulled up on any of it they're almost laughing as if it's a joke. They don't give a shit. One day the shit will hit the fan and people will take to the streets, but knowing how we grin and sit by, it will probably all be too late.
Because we blame anyone but ourselves; single mothers, sharia courts, migrants, Romanians, the "establishment", saboteur lawyers. Anything other than admitting we are the issue.
 
The only thing that might shake up the status quo is PR. Which is why there is no prospect of PR. Ever.
 
This is the worst I've ever known it and its terrifying to think of what will be left for the next generations.

This worsening situation for governments tends to happen when they run out of steam, sometimes its fast and furious like we've seen recently with Liz Truss, sometimes slow and painfully, e.g. when a party has a large majority (like the Tories now) despite how poor they may have been, they can start 'shuffling the deck' and changing leaders/PM's right up to the next GE, without any recourse to the general public, only their own party members.

It's the way we do things, and apart from a 'blip' caused by Tony Blair's 'New Labour', the Tories are the recent (50 years or so) 'past masters' at it, because for them it's 'self first, self last and if anything over self again' and to be honest they make no bones about it either.

Labour have the ideals but very few of them really resonate with the general public, because most people believe (on past experience ...Blair the exception) that when they get in power their majorities are so low they merely have a struggle to remain in power, let alone do anything significant and long lasting (not since the Education Act and NHS Act post WW2). Its just possible that although Starmer is making more enemies than friends on the left, he may pick up enough disaffected Tories and left leaning Lib-Dems votes to arrive in Westminster with a good working majority.. then we may see something!
Scotland will be the 'ace-in-the-hole' if Labour can 'wrestle' enough seats from the disaffected in the SNP and Tory parties north of the border.

As for future generations, as always they will have to pick up any mess left by the previous generations, much is made of the 'Boomers', but they had to struggle within a post war Britain which 'won the war' but effectively lost the peace, and the next generation will have to live with a desperate fight against climate change... unfortunately whoever you vote for it doesn't really give you any guarantees, even if your side wins!
 
Boris Johnson won't hand over his phone because he's 'forgotten his password'. They are fecking laughing at us.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/boris-forgotten-old-iphone-password/
Imagine if there were a British intelligence apparatus that provided high-profile figures with certain kinds of phone-equipment and knew how to bypass individual passwords. It's farce. The British Intel services are on those phones when MPs/PMs or high-profile, and, in general, dragnet style, on all those phones regardless. Anti-other-state intrusion if nothing else.

tl;dr there isn't any excuse as to why this or that data goes missing when it is actively known that the intel apparatus, at behest of government, supplies certain kinds of services which both ensure anti-intrusion from foreign actors and can recover, in more ways than any of us care to dream, all data in any given phone. Including ones which have been smashed to pieces.

(apple provides backdoor access to the US/British intel state as we all know so that's a crock of shit, too).
 

Pity the man, O'Brien, suitable name, is an apparatchik within the newly incestuous public/private British media landscape. Never any substance, just periodical self-aggrandizing and Howard Beale (one step from Bill O'Reilly back in the day) typed "mad as hell". Jeremy Kyle with liberal inflections. Accurate.
 
Farce aside, literacy campaigns of that type and debates around taxation, for rich people will have to pay more, it's that simple (but nuanced), are required.
 
Farce aside, literacy campaigns of that type and debates around taxation, for rich people will have to pay more, it's that simple (but nuanced), are required.
I very much doubt anything from Liz Truss will conclude that rich people will pay more.
 
I very much doubt anything from Liz Truss will conclude that rich people will pay more.

Yes, I doubt the Tufton Street puppet is advocating progressive taxation. It will be more trickle down economic theory of the type that was so well received last September.
 
Portugal is a pretty young democracy and we feck up loads of times, but following the news in this thread, all the corruption from top to bottom in government, there's no way such a government would still be standing and that party would have absolutely no chance in the next elections. Are the british just numb to all of this?
The media are complicit and the public, for the most part, are easy to manipulate.
 
I bet its the same as his current phone. Who changes it when they get a new phone?

I'd have said I dropped it, it was broken beyond repair so I took a drill to it and threw it away.
With my works computer, I have to change the password every couple of months. I'm sure the government have higher security than that. Saying that I'm not saying I believe BoJo. He can't open his mouth without lying.
The IT crowd at number 10 seem to have his code any away. He seems like the type who would need IT to change his code for him.
 
Doncha just hate those greedy doctors and teachers...

Liz Truss paid £15,770 an hour for second jobs - as outside earnings of MPs revealed

https://news.sky.com/story/westmins...-time-mps-spend-on-their-second-jobs-12920530
This is what really annoys me about these cnuts the most. They're literally disgraced individuals. BoJo misled parliament, lied continuously through lockdown, missed the deadline for handing his Whatsapps over...he's as scummy as scummy can be, yet they're given such lucrative and cushy jobs rather than being blacklisted. Why aren't pricks like BoJo and Truss cancelled for actually committing crimes (or in Truss' case, for being one of the most incompetent and economically damaging leaders we've ever had)? Which cnuts and corps are paying these pricks for their time?

cnuts.
 
Which cnuts and corps are paying these pricks for their time?
The ones who pay them to get into office in the first place or, failing that, the ones they give advantageous deals to when in office. Most of them being the answer. Golden handshakes. Look at Blair, Clinton, Obama, or whomever. These people, politicians, are worth hundreds of millions. That's out of office dealing from within office access to certain business arrangements. Blair tens of millions; Clinton et al, hundreds; Obama, hundreds. Right. That's how "politics" works these days.
 


cnut. I hope he gets charged £1m every time he phones his GP.
Smuggy cnut. What pisses me off is he says this stuff with such smuggy cnut arrogance as if there’s not thousands of other ways to raise this money without borrowing but of course he wouldn’t wanna upset his mates and likeminded fellas by you know, increasing tax for the wealthiest, increasing tax on cnuting buy to rent hoarders or limiting his smuggy cnut mps expenses.
 
Smuggy cnut. What pisses me off is he says this stuff with such smuggy cnut arrogance as if there’s not thousands of other ways to raise this money without borrowing but of course he wouldn’t wanna upset his mates and likeminded fellas by you know, increasing tax for the wealthiest, increasing tax on cnuting buy to rent hoarders or limiting his smuggy cnut mps expenses.

So is he saying that the public sector pay deals will cost £1bn.
Of course not.
So the remaining cost will come out of cuts in public services.
In other words Austerity.
 
To put it into context immigrants already pay nearly 1,000 pounds per year for the immigration health surcharge. 99.9% of them will never use the NHS. The hostile nature of this country to immigrants makes my blood boil and brings back bad memories.
 
Smuggy cnut. What pisses me off is he says this stuff with such smuggy cnut arrogance as if there’s not thousands of other ways to raise this money without borrowing but of course he wouldn’t wanna upset his mates and likeminded fellas by you know, increasing tax for the wealthiest, increasing tax on cnuting buy to rent hoarders or limiting his smuggy cnut mps expenses.

More to the point, they're pretending not just that migrant workers are bad, but that having migrant workers with no money and poor access to healthcare is a good thing. Shockingly enough, having poor, sick workers and consumers is not good for the productivity of the economy.

And sick people in your community is bad for everybody's health, not just the sick person. It's like we didn't just live through a fecking pandemic the way these depraved cnuts talk. I would gladly piss on all their graves.
 
So is he saying that the public sector pay deals will cost £1bn.
Of course not.
So the remaining cost will come out of cuts in public services.
In other words Austerity.

Without question. This method is also reliant on the sustainability of migrants still wanting to come to the U.K. and being willing to pay these likely rising astronomical fees.

More to the point, they're pretending not just that migrant workers are bad, but that having migrant workers with no money and poor access to healthcare is a good thing. Shockingly enough, having poor, sick workers and consumers is not good for the productivity of the economy.

And sick people in your community is bad for everybody's health, not just the sick person. It's like we didn't just live through a fecking pandemic the way these depraved cnuts talk. I would gladly piss on all their graves.
Count me in on that too…

It’s a win win situation for them isn’t it. Ultimately whatever happens migrants will suffer. Whether it’s paying through the nose, not having the healthcare or just downright keeping them from migrating into the U.K.
 
The ones who pay them to get into office in the first place or, failing that, the ones they give advantageous deals to when in office. Most of them being the answer. Golden handshakes. Look at Blair, Clinton, Obama, or whomever. These people, politicians, are worth hundreds of millions. That's out of office dealing from within office access to certain business arrangements. Blair tens of millions; Clinton et al, hundreds; Obama, hundreds. Right. That's how "politics" works these days.
Or Cameron, Trump, Osborne, Sunak or Johnson, right?
 
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Just got a newsletter through from the local (Tory) MP and I am struck by a few things;

*the entire colour scheme is green and red. No blue (the traditional conservative colour) anywhere on the thing.
*it doesn’t actually mention the Conservative Party at all.
*several of the points inside talk about things like championing animal welfare, planting trees and recycling (my constituency is between Lib Dem’s and Tories)

essentially if I didn’t know what party he represents, and aside from one tiny little “Conservatives” logo in the corner on the back page, you would think this was someone running as an independent or green.

Its really fascinating to me that from a branding perspective, they clearly seem to have actually realised just how toxic the Tory brand is, and how deeply unpopular they are, so they are now trying to completely disassociate themselves with the Conservative brand and image.

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Just got a newsletter through from the local (Tory) MP and I am struck by a few things;

*the entire colour scheme is green and red. No blue (the traditional conservative colour) anywhere on the thing.
*it doesn’t actually mention the Conservative Party at all.
*several of the points inside talk about things like championing animal welfare, planting trees and recycling (my constituency is between Lib Dem’s and Tories)

essentially if I didn’t know what party he represents, and aside from one tiny little “Conservatives” logo in the corner on the back page, you would think this was someone running as an independent or green.

Its really fascinating to me that from a branding perspective, they clearly seem to have actually realised just how toxic the Tory brand is, and how deeply unpopular they are, so they are now trying to completely disassociate themselves with the Conservative brand and image.

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We received similar during the recent elections, but it wasn't an official one, it was made privately for the Tory representatives according to the small print. Didn't have the words 'conservative/s' or 'tory' anywhere. It was blue though.
 
Just got a newsletter through from the local (Tory) MP and I am struck by a few things;

*the entire colour scheme is green and red. No blue (the traditional conservative colour) anywhere on the thing.
*it doesn’t actually mention the Conservative Party at all.
*several of the points inside talk about things like championing animal welfare, planting trees and recycling (my constituency is between Lib Dem’s and Tories)

essentially if I didn’t know what party he represents, and aside from one tiny little “Conservatives” logo in the corner on the back page, you would think this was someone running as an independent or green.

Its really fascinating to me that from a branding perspective, they clearly seem to have actually realised just how toxic the Tory brand is, and how deeply unpopular they are, so they are now trying to completely disassociate themselves with the Conservative brand and image.

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Sneaky feckers
 
Just got a newsletter through from the local (Tory) MP and I am struck by a few things;

*the entire colour scheme is green and red. No blue (the traditional conservative colour) anywhere on the thing.
*it doesn’t actually mention the Conservative Party at all.
*several of the points inside talk about things like championing animal welfare, planting trees and recycling (my constituency is between Lib Dem’s and Tories)

essentially if I didn’t know what party he represents, and aside from one tiny little “Conservatives” logo in the corner on the back page, you would think this was someone running as an independent or green.

Its really fascinating to me that from a branding perspective, they clearly seem to have actually realised just how toxic the Tory brand is, and how deeply unpopular they are, so they are now trying to completely disassociate themselves with the Conservative brand and image.

IMG-6342.jpg

IMG-6343.jpg

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This is quite common in my part of the US, I don't think I've seen any election leaflets that mention which party they represent, which is kind of odd because in election season TV ads are constant and they mostly make it clear what the other party and their failings are