And he wasn't extremely wary about the Havertz penalty call?
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And he wasn't extremely wary about the Havertz penalty call?
How are you feeling about the decisions today?
A tight offside that was just offside and a soft pen (that never gets overturned) gets overturned by VAR. I must be ABU I guess.
I asked you a simple question because of how you felt previously - you could just say how you felt about today’s decisions without all the sass. You converse in a very weird way.
It's really not my fault that you've chosen to take offense to what is a quite non confrontational post.
How could it not be overturned? Havertz initiated the contact. Wan-Bissaka didn't even make a challenge. Also, you forgot the nailed on pen that we should have been given for Gabriel on Højlund.
I must be ABU I guess.
“non confrontational”
There's quite a difference with being puzzled by the general mood of the forum towards refereeing decisions and being confrontational. If I had said "I guess in your eyes I must be ABU then" then it would be. But as I didn't, it isn't.
You’re confused United fans are annoyed about 2 clear pens they did not get one at Spurs and another today?
This is after it happened multiple times last season after the City offside?
Also your post came across very passive aggresive and thus confrontational. Maybe not your intention but thats how it read to me
I only saw one pen shout at the end on Hojlund and for me that's not a pen and definitely not a clear pen. Just two guys jostling for the ball. Don't know which other one you're referring to.
Spurs hand ball. Hojlund is not jostling for the ball with Gabriel hes knocked it past him and Gabriel wraps him arm round Hojlunds waist to stop him getting to the ball then falls into him. Its a clear foul. Makes zero attempt to get to the ball and plays the player who was in possession of the ball. Opinions though.
I disagree. He knocks the ball in front of Gabriel and Gabriel is ahead of him shielding the ball. Whilst this video on twitter makes it look like it was a foul on him, if you pause it you can see he's behind the defender. So essentially the contact that brings him down is just Hojlund running into Gabriel and Gabriel stands his ground. It's jostling.
You're sane. This is not confrontational or aggressive.
I disagree. He knocks the ball in front of Gabriel and Gabriel is ahead of him shielding the ball. Whilst this video on twitter makes it look like it was a foul on him, if you pause it you can see he's behind the defender. So essentially the contact that brings him down is just Hojlund running into Gabriel and Gabriel stands his ground. It's jostling.
Disagree but again opinions. Gabriel moves to the side to make contact with Hojlund and then he sits into his back and falls over bringing the player down. Notice Hojlund is ahead of Gabriel having run past him before hes brought down
Its the act of falling into Hojlunds back that is the foul.
Can’t seem to post images but here a link
https://ibb.co/NSYTdkD
He is clearly behind Hojlund here and thats where he leans into him and makes a deliberate movement to do so then falls over to disguise it.
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AWB got lucky with the Havertz one, but I think it was the right decision.
It looks like Havertz is already on his way down even before the contact is made. That is why it looked so soft in real time; he was looking for it all day long. If he had stayed upright and dived after the contact, it would still have been soft, but it would probably have stood because AWB would have been seen as the reason for him losing his footing. However, it was clear as day that he was tumbling over even before the minimal contact with AWB was made, probably because he was half-expecting the contact to come with AWB's leading leg rather than his trailing.
Hojlund, on the other hand...I just can't understand how that isn't a penalty. Gabriel has played the man and Hojlund, to his credit, has tried to stay on his feet and win the ball. He clearly hasn't dived, so what's the issue.
It looks like Havertz is already on his way down even before the contact is made. That is why it looked so soft in real time; he was looking for it all day long. If he had stayed upright and dived after the contact, it would still have been soft, but it would probably have stood because AWB would have been seen as the reason for him losing his footing. However, it was clear as day that he was tumbling over even before the minimal contact with AWB was made, probably because he was half-expecting the contact to come with AWB's leading leg rather than his trailing.
Hojlund, on the other hand...I just can't understand how that isn't a penalty. Gabriel has played the man and Hojlund, to his credit, has tried to stay on his feet and win the ball. He clearly hasn't dived, so what's the issue.
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I disagree. He knocks the ball in front of Gabriel and Gabriel is ahead of him shielding the ball. Whilst this video on twitter makes it look like it was a foul on him, if you pause it you can see he's behind the defender. So essentially the contact that brings him down is just Hojlund running into Gabriel and Gabriel stands his ground. It's jostling.
How you can look at that, and say he's "shielding the ball" is insane. The pen being overturned was entirely natural (and it would have been for any team, it was a blatant dive), the offside was apparently probably not an offside (but let's leave that one out), the block on Evans for Rice's goal should have invalidated it, and I guess you saw nothing wrong with Saka's red card challenge?
You're not confrontational, but you're posturing - or if you really believe these things, you might not be totally aware of the rules of the game.
Jostling requires both players to be battling for control of the ball, Gabriel has no interest in it. He wraps his arm around Højlund, then falls over, bringing Højlund with him. It's blatant holding and impeding.
I disagree. He knocks the ball in front of Gabriel and Gabriel is ahead of him shielding the ball. Whilst this video on twitter makes it look like it was a foul on him, if you pause it you can see he's behind the defender. So essentially the contact that brings him down is just Hojlund running into Gabriel and Gabriel stands his ground. It's jostling.
You actually watched the replay and came to the conclusion that Gabriel was ahead of Hojlund?
Your post didn't come across as confrontational to me, @P-Ro. In my opinion (which counts for nothing on a forum full of opinions):
- I just about agree that Gabriel on Højlund was not a penalty
- Wan Bissaka on Havertz was correct to be overturned - not a penalty in my opinion; in fact, there's an argument Havertz could've been booked upon review
- Probably a good case for a foul on Evans on the build-up to Rice's goal
- Saka's was probably just about right to be a yellow
- I still can't fully accept that Garnacho's goal was offside. Sure, VAR shows it to be offside, but I'm still not 100% convinced.
Havertz penalty would've been very soft, but it had to be overturned. Hojlund penalty would've been very soft, but it's nailed on.
The ref/var got it right on both occasions but on redcafe this is obvious and clear evidence everyone's against united.
The two incidents aren't remotely similar. Havertz brushes his foot against Wan-Bissaka's leg. Wan-Bissaka made no challenge. It's actually closer to Pires vs Portsmouth.
Højlund on the other hand was completely taken out by Gabriel.
I disagree. He knocks the ball in front of Gabriel and Gabriel is ahead of him shielding the ball. Whilst this video on twitter makes it look like it was a foul on him, if you pause it you can see he's behind the defender. So essentially the contact that brings him down is just Hojlund running into Gabriel and Gabriel stands his ground. It's jostling.
Bollocks.
It's a stonewall penalty 99 times out of a 100. Gabriel makes no attempt for the ball and Rugby tackles Hojlund to the ground by grabbing his waist.
https://packaged-media.redd.it/7n1m...=38512518764242a89c6bcd94187d53049c6e93b3#t=0
I disagree and I see plenty of neutrals disagree as well. Other neutrals think you're right.
Here on redcafe both decisions that if given would've been really soft, are being portrayed as daylight robbery and proof abu's are everywhere.
Yeah surprised Rawk, Bluemoon or Arsenal Mania don't have a thread bemoaning United's bad luck and discussing them being on the shit end of a string of bad decisions this season.
So all fans exaggerate and moan when things don't go their way? Totally agree.
You say that the Havertz one would have been "soft". "Soft" indicates that Wan-Bissaka, (in some small part) has a case to answer for. However, the only contact that was made was 100% concocted by Havertz.
Gabriel on the other hand...
WB enters havertz space, no intention to touch him but he's there.
Again, I don't think it's a penalty.
It isn’t just it a decision goes our way - there’s a media outrage if we lose, if we narrowly win, if we draw, if player X isn’t in the starting 11, if player x is in the starting 11, if we sign a player and if we don’t sign a player. The worst part is a high proportion of the online fandom just lap the “United in crisis” narrative up and help perpetuate it.
Every group of fans think the refs are out to get them and conveniently forget when a tight decision goes their way, it is just as tedious coming from Utd fans as from everyone else.
Completely agree.
To an Arsenal fan that probably makes it a penalty.
Call me bitter, but I think there's a truth in the media coverage of referee decision benefitting United would make other referees to be much more careful in giving United a favorable decision.
They may not doing it on purpose, but when it's on the back of their mind you can't say 100% that they're being completely objective.
They may not doing it on purpose, but when it's on the back of their mind you can't say 100% that they're being completely objective.
The second angle of the Hojlund incident shows it should have been a clear penalty. Gabriel essentially pushes him over. He does so with that much force he ends up going flying himself when Hojlund moves.
Really strange it wasn’t given.
Really strange it wasn’t given.
Point completely missed.
You are implying Redcafe is being biased because we're United fans and imaginging an agenda. Well yeah obviously we're bias, but you're hardly likely to see fans of other clubs questioning any of these dodgy decisions are you?
Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean people aren't out to get you.
Entering someone’s space is not a penalty. Players enter each others spaces all over the pitch.
Gabriel actually man handled Hojlund and brings him down. One is not comparable to the other
Not really. Refs gifted arsenal another match recently at the Emirates against us, Arteta's incessant moaning pays off. ETH could learn a thing about this from the little cnut.
Plus the media scrutiny and resulting demotion of the ref who didn't award Wolves a penalty against Onana means we can get used to this standard of "fair" officiating this season. No consequence when shoe is on the other foot. Fine, there will be variability in officiating from match to match but the UK media double standards when United "benefit" vs. suffer is really something else.
I don't disagree with any of that, just with the notion you joked about in your last sentence. There's no conspiracy, just as there isn't any media conspiracy against arsenal, like I sometimes read on arsenal mania.
Not in terms of the play itself, no, just as they would both be really soft if given.
I remember when Varane stepped across Calum Wilson last season and everyone went apoplectic over the decision to not award a penalty.
Just google Varane Calum Wilson and you'll see headlines such as "Callum Wilson is the most blatant penalty I've seen", "It was 100% a penalty" (Dermot Egghead), "
pundits fume over penalty decision in Man United vs Newcastle", etc etc. Yet it was by no means much worse than Gabriel being run past by Højlund and putting his arm across and around him to pull him down, which was described as "strong defending", "Gabriel simply holding his ground", or "You can see Højlund grabbing Gabriel's arm there"
Just google Varane Calum Wilson and you'll see headlines such as "Callum Wilson is the most blatant penalty I've seen", "It was 100% a penalty" (Dermot Egghead), "
pundits fume over penalty decision in Man United vs Newcastle", etc etc. Yet it was by no means much worse than Gabriel being run past by Højlund and putting his arm across and around him to pull him down, which was described as "strong defending", "Gabriel simply holding his ground", or "You can see Højlund grabbing Gabriel's arm there"
Do you think if AWB made contact while coming into Havertz's space, it should have been a penalty?