Genuine question, do you think when united get a big decision their way there's a bigger outcry across the media than other clubs? Yes or no.
The outrage when a decision goes in Manchester United’s favour
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Now Forest want to complain to PGMOL over the ref's performance? This is such BS. What do they have to complain for? Both the decisions were correct decisions. Honestly, just cause it's United at the other end everyone thinks they are getting robbed.
Where was this outrage when Romero clearly handled the ball against us last week? Or when Szoboszlai clearly dived to win a penalty for Liverpool last week? But when United gets a clear and fair penalty everyone loses their shit.
Now Forest want to complain to PGMOL over the ref's performance? This is such BS. What do they have to complain for? Both the decisions were correct decisions. Honestly, just cause it's United at the other end everyone thinks they are getting robbed.
Where was this outrage when Romero clearly handled the ball against us last week? Or when Szoboszlai clearly dived to win a penalty for Liverpool last week? But when United gets a clear and fair penalty everyone loses their shit.
Not really. I think you just get more exposure than most clubs whatever happens to you simply because you remain the biggest draw in the country. There's always gonna be a couple of gobshites mouthing off. Leeds were often the target of Agbonlahor's garbage.
And today City got a penalty for the exact arm raised but barely a foot from the attacker.
I find it weird too, like anyone should really care what some Chelsea fan says on here.
I'd understand if you actually put context around it.
Anyone can type crap... look.
Chelsea funded by blood money and was used as a money laundering front.
Remember when Drogba was miles offside and scored to clinch the title? Or what about when Cech came out and punched Vidic in the face. Where was the outcry then? Stop talking rubbish.
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There's obviously nothing wrong with that apart from the tiny detail that he knocked an airborne opponent unconscious by punching him in the head with both hands. "Endangering the safety of an opponent" is a red card offence in the laws of the game, and if knocking someone unconscious with a double punch while the guy's airborne isn't endangering someone's safety, then what is?
Why does knocking someone unconscious become less dangerous to the opponent depending on whether the guy gets the ball on his way through the player's head?
A player is responsible for his own actions, which is why we see players get sent off for studs-up challenges to the legs of opponents' regardless of whether they win the ball or not. Can you tell me how studs to the shin is more dangerous than a punch to the head that makes a player fall down unconscious from a jumping position?
If two players jump for a header and one of them wins the header but the other one gets knocked out by the mid air collision. Is that a penalty, a foul, a red card? Nope.
In my opinion, if the keeper calls it and you are dumb enough to challenge him for a ball like that in mid air, a ball, that you are never going to win, you are only endangering yourself and deserve to get clattered. And should get no sympathy.
That keeper has just set a example now in his first game, high balls in there are his and feck you if you think you're getting near one. Can almost guarantee nobody will go a for ball with him now once he calls it after seeing that.
Debatable whether it meets the bar of "a clear and obvious" scoring opportunity, but I think the blatantly cynically nature of the tackle removed any leeway the ref may have given Worrall.
A clash of heads with two players jumping up from a relatively stand-still position is not the same as a player charging out at full pace with two fists stretched out, blind-siding the attacker that's looking at the ball and attempting a header from the penalty spot.
Then again, this is the same game where bicycle kicking an opponent in the head isn't "endangering the safety of an opponent" because an overhead kick that results in a goal (happens once every two years and never through a sea of bodies) is seen as something spectacular.
We seem to have a fundamental disagreement on whether being knocked unconscious by a player who comes for the ball in a careless fashion is dangerous, so let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.
Come on, I don't think we can be getting on our high horse about decisions if fans refuse to even entertain that Rashford sold that penalty to the refs. It was minimal contact, not enough in it and I really think that's exactly what he was trying to do from the start rather than just make a play towards getting a goal. I wouldn't want nonsense like that given against us so by the same token I should accept it was completely sold by Rashford on this occasion. We take it, of course we do, that's the merry go round of decisions (if you don't believe in far flung conspiracies), but let's say how it is. Ridiculously soft.
We start to lose credibility if we're screaming about agendas and then completely have the Man Utd goggles on for ones we get lucky on. You have to be able to detach yourself at least a little bit and not just drink the kool aid. You're going to see a bloody conspiracy in everything if there is this one eyed approach that completely ignores data that would suggest we're not that harshly treated by refs, or that contradicts the idea that the media climate around the club influences refs.
We start to lose credibility if we're screaming about agendas and then completely have the Man Utd goggles on for ones we get lucky on. You have to be able to detach yourself at least a little bit and not just drink the kool aid. You're going to see a bloody conspiracy in everything if there is this one eyed approach that completely ignores data that would suggest we're not that harshly treated by refs, or that contradicts the idea that the media climate around the club influences refs.
I think only Keown is complaining. I don’t know why. Pretty simple call
The fact the Forest player didn’t even appeal should tell a lot about whether he caught him or not.
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The unconscious/concussed one?
(If you're responding to my post regarding the Brighton GK incident)
No, the penalty yesterday. For some reason I thought we were playing West Ham.
Ah, gotcha
Thought it was a bit harsh to expect a concussed player to appeal for it to be a legitimate shoutIt's not careless though, it's very good goalkeeping. He comes out with a clear line of sight, stands his ground gets to the ball first and clears it with his fists. He's not gone flying through the air with his fists out in front ready to take someones head off. The careless one is Soucek for going flying in head first for a ball he was never getting.
Like I said already, he's a young keeper, this was one of his first games and he's laid down a marker there, you won't see too many trying to contest a ball with him after that.
Watch Forest getting more penalties against them and less penalties for them, which would lead them towards relegation. PGMOL is not kind towards clubs going down that route.
As clear cut as it gets.
I think you make a fair point about how much responsibility you have for the safety of other players, and how much responsibility you have for your own safety on the pitch.
It's crazy how often players stick their head into a challenge when they can obviously see another player is getting there first. It happened against Forrest with McT and Kouyate. McT is swinging to clear the ball at about chest height and can't see Kouyate coming from behind him, who stoops slightly to header it and gets kicked in the head. Except Kouyate would have seen that unfold, and should probably not have stuck his head into a situation where he would very likely get booted in the head. He does though, and wins a FK in a decent position for his team.
I think as a player you need to be smarter and not put your opponent into a position where they can accidentally hurt you, normally because of your own negligence. It's a tough one though, as everyone is taught that pulling out of a tackle is the most cowardly thing you can do. Sometimes, though, that's precisely what you should do.
Opposition fans complain about United getting all of the decisions, when last season they only got 3 penalties in the league, the joint least in the league. For comparison, City got 10 and Fulham got 9.
Great angle. Rashford doesn't lean into him, he doesn't leave a trailing leg, I can't believe this has even debated or considered a dive. He simply runs at him with pace, the defender tries to freeze his tackle after missing the ball but it's too late. When teams have pacy players running at defenders into the box, there's a higher chance of a penalty being won. Why can't some pundits consider that possibility instead of buying into the conspiracy of favourable treatment?
Since Chris Sutton is obviously not on his first rodeo against United, I guess this below is the perfect metaphor to describe him in a nutshell.
Another United win, another team complaining about the decisions. Eventually we’ll get to a stage where we’ll be the ones outraged every week because the refs will be too scared in case they are stepped down.
Imagine being so pathetically wrong but persisting with that opinion and then citing Keown and Agbonlahor as proof!
Embarrassing.
Honestly i found the decisions from the weekend so uncontentious i am surprised to see this thread bumped
I do think he sold it, but that's something every single player will do in that position. It's bad from Danilo, it's a really poorly executed tackle. As well as getting his form all wrong, I think that little touch of the ball by Rashford split seconds before contact is what caught Danilo out, leaving him in a situation where he'd committed but forgot to get the ball. He knew instantly he fecked up too. This was a really easy one for VAR.
I think Worral's should've been a caution rather than a sending off, but once the ref has made that call on the pitch there's not nearly enough there for VAR to tell him to consider changing the call.
The penalty is clear cut.
I think the standard of punditry has definitely gone down. Keown actually accused Martin Tyler of being biased against Arsenal last year. A few of them have gone the way of Ty from AFTV and become so biased its laughable and are just competing to say stupid stuff.
The media and pundits have had days worth of content from United from two of the three games weve played so far.
The one game they didnt go on for days, was the one where we lost and we should have had at least one penalty, but it didnt go on for days at all.
No surprise. The pundits and talking is more geared towards being clipped online to become talking points and thus get exposure, clicks and such. Everything is now a soundbyte and we know what will drive the most towards this.
The one game they didnt go on for days, was the one where we lost and we should have had at least one penalty, but it didnt go on for days at all.
No surprise. The pundits and talking is more geared towards being clipped online to become talking points and thus get exposure, clicks and such. Everything is now a soundbyte and we know what will drive the most towards this.
Exactly. Souness said last year that during ad breaks at Sky sports, some of the pundits would check their phones to see if they'd gone viral on twitter. It's become a competition to do well on social media and a good way to do that is say stupid shit about United.
As predicted after Wolves, 3 games in a row United have been severely fecked over by the refs. This can't go on. ABUs everywhere in the world of football.
Pundits watching and getting their talkings points ready after that decision.
That Rice goal is a prime example of the effect the media meltdown about us has had. Taylor has always been a cnut towards us but Refs are in the postion of being exteremly wary of givng us anything at all fearing a pile on then getting dropped.