Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

stefan92 said:
This doesn't work as an argument because there are claims for example that IRIS-T SLM has a "near 100% success rate" defending Kyiv. So 70% would be much worse.
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I know, I talk about general numbers which were around 70-80% after each missiles wave in the past. Sometimes more, sometimes less. It's a not great, not terrible number. I'm sure those responsible fear to report bad numbers to the Kremlin.
 

As the two Russian SU-27s approached the RAF spy plane, they received a communication from their ground station controller.

One Western source told the BBC the words they received were to the effect of "you have the target".
This ambiguous language was interpreted by one of the Russian pilots as permission to fire.
The loose language appears to have shown a high degree of unprofessionalism by those involved, sources said. In contrast, Nato pilots use very precise language when asking for and receiving permission to fire.
The Russian pilot released an air-to-air missile, which successfully launched but failed to lock on to its target, the BBC has been told. It was a miss, not a malfunction.
Defence sources have told the BBC that a row then broke out between the two Russian pilots.
The pilot of the second SU-27 did not think they had been given permission to fire.

He is said to have sworn at his comrade, effectively asking him what he thought he was doing.
Yet the first pilot still released another missile.
We had been told that the second missile simply fell from the wing - suggesting the weapon either malfunctioned or that the launch was aborted.
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jackal&hyde said:
I think it's less to do with the air force to come and more to do with Storm Shadows as they are fired from aircraft. The more you want to hit deep with Storm Shadow the more you want AA down so the planes get closer.

F 16s will change things with long distance AA missiles and maybe American cruise missiles (none of them are confirmed). IMO F 16 will serve to deny the orcs air force.
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The F-16 is very vulnerable to the Russian S-400 system. To avoid the S-400 threat, they’ll have to either have jamming aircraft with them capable of countering the S-400 or fly at low altitude. If at low altitude, they’re at a disadvantage vs Russian fighters and are now vulnerable to short range SAMs / AA.
 
Carolina Red said:
The F-16 is very vulnerable to the Russian S-400 system. To avoid the S-400 threat, they’ll have to either have jamming capable aircraft with them or fly at low altitude. If at low altitude, they’re at a disadvantage vs Russian fighters and are now vulnerable to short range SAMs / AA.
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I think the s 400 is a very different reality to what many people used to think. Crimea and Sevastopol are "protected" by a youtube AA system. The S400 only exists in the minds of youtubers and no more. In reality, everything goes through.

The S400 another propaganda unit. Like the T14 and the S whatever pretend to have stealth aircraft.
 
jackal&hyde said:
I think the s 400 is a very different reality to what many people used to think. Crimea and Sevastopol are "protected" by a youtube AA system. The S400 only exists in the minds of youtubers and no more. In reality, everything goes through.

The S400 another propaganda unit. Like the T14 and the S whatever pretend to have stealth aircraft.
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I guess it’s a good thing that I’m not getting my info from YouTube, then.
 
Carolina Red said:
I guess it’s a good thing that I’m not getting my info from YouTube, then.
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You said that the F 16 is "very vulnerable to the S 400". My point was to say that the "S 400" is an internet system. That is all. I'm sure you get your info from NATO Intelligence when you say " F 16 is "very vulnerable to the S 400"
 
jackal&hyde said:
You said that the F 16 is "very vulnerable to the S 400". My point was to say that the "S 400" is an internet system. That is all. I'm sure you get your info from NATO Intelligence when you say " F 16 is "very vulnerable to the S 400"
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I know what I wrote. I wrote it for a reason.

https://missilethreat.csis.org/defsys/s-400-triumf/
https://warontherocks.com/2016/01/how-chinas-new-russian-air-defense-system-could-change-asia/
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blo...l-not-mean-for-ukraines-fight-against-russia/
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/article/will-ukraine-get-f-16s/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...enses-jets-at-risk-but-can-still-help-ukraine
 
stefan92 said:
That's not a big factor now I think. They are able to do deep strikes using drones, cruise missiles (both air and land launched - Storm Shadow, Scalp, Neptune) already, they don't need the F-16 for this capability. But obviously to increase the success of any long range attack it makes a lot of sense to start with the enemies air defense.

The biggest new capability of the F-16 will be long-range air-to-air combat, which Ukraine can't perform right now due to a lack of fitting long-range AA-missiles for their current planes (only Russia has those which gives them an advantage in air-to-air combat).
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Always a good thing to get closer to the front line to strike deeper into enemy territory, plus they might be thinking to have them loiter near targets as they come in from ground troops.
 
Klishchiivka is next and that would mean pressure on Bakhmut city. Russians will find themselves in the same situation Ukraine was last summer. Sitting ducks in Bakhmut, but with a big difference. Most of the buildings are destroyed now.
 
Ragnar123 said:
Klishchiivka is next and that would mean pressure on Bakhmut city. Russians will find themselves in the same situation Ukraine was last summer. Sitting ducks in Bakhmut, but with a big difference. Most of the buildings are destroyed now.
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I think one of the Ukrainian units fighting there denied it was fully under control yesterday didn't they?
 
TwoSheds said:
I think one of the Ukrainian units fighting there denied it was fully under control yesterday didn't they?
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Some contradictory statements yesterday, but today they are confirming it. Its just a small village, now completely destroyed, but has been a point of contention for a long time.
 
Looks like Klishchiivka is also liberated, although official confirmation is still pending.
 
Bad tea or did he catch a cold by standing too long near a open window?

 
Browsing the CE is such a good experience lately.

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Surovikin is in Africa. I hope he packs a parachute on the way home to Russia. Just in case.
 
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