That_Bloke
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I will.If that's the best you can do then please stay out of this thread.
I will.If that's the best you can do then please stay out of this thread.
Ukraine has enough on its hand containing Russia in the east, and you want them to spend valuable resources on a different front?
That and no western country will be ok with supplying arms to Ukraine to lead a war outside their boundaries. All countries are supplying arms as defensive mechanism. We already saw far right parties everywhere wanting to drop support. Marching into Moldova or Transnistria will not paint a good outlook.That makes more sense. I can imagine the Moldovans don't want to take a chance on the fighting spreading into actual Moldovan territory beyond Transnistria.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germany-charges-military-officer-with-spying-russia-2024-03-19/March 19 (Reuters) - German prosecutors have charged an officer in the military procurement agency with attempting to pass secret information to Russian intelligence, the federal prosecutor's office said in a statement on Tuesday.
"But, apart from the flag effect, the determining element is the economic situation, which is very stable. At the start of the conflict, when Western sanctions were introduced, people first rushed to banks to withdraw their money. But the government managed to calm the panic and the population backed down.Mais, outre l’effet drapeau, l’élément déterminant est la situation économique, qui est très stable. Au début du conflit, lorsque les sanctions occidentales ont été instaurées, les gens se sont d’abord rués sur les banques pour retirer leur argent. Mais le gouvernement a réussi à calmer la panique et la population a fait marche arrière.
Non seulement l’économie est stable, mais le gouvernement a multiplié les mesures de redistribution aux plus modestes - hausse des retraites, des salaires des fonctionnaires, élargissement des programmes d’aide sociale aux personnes ayant des enfants à charge, ou pour faciliter l’achat d’un appartement.
Autre élément essentiel, les soldats engagés dans "l’opération militaire spéciale" en Ukraine, qui, pour la plupart, sont originaires de petites villes, ont vu leur rémunération augmenter de façon importante - ils peuvent gagner cinq ou six fois plus qu’auparavant. A cela s’ajoute le fait que lorsqu’un soldat est tué, la famille reçoit environ 5 millions de roubles, soit quelque 50 000 euros. Pour les habitants d’une petite ville russe, c’est une somme énorme.
Selon certaines estimations, les revenus de la population n’ont jamais été aussi élevés depuis des décennies. La majorité est donc très positive quant à la situation économique, ce qui aide à maintenir l’optimisme et la confiance envers le gouvernement.
La part de la classe moyenne a augmenté d’environ 5 points de pourcentage en deux ans, alors qu’elle stagnait auparavant. Ces personnes, dont le pouvoir d’achat progresse, sont généralement liées à l’appareil d’Etat et donc loyales envers celui-ci.
" "Would you like Putin to be re-elected in the next election?"... in 2021, around 45% of those surveyed answered yes, with half wanting to see a new face appear. After the start of the war, this score gradually rose to 80%. Previously, in chat groups, people could express doubts about Putin, today they say that he is holding the country and preventing it from being defeated by the West.""Souhaiteriez-vous que Poutine soit réélu lors des prochaines élections ?" en 2021, à peu près 45 % des personnes interrogées répondaient oui, la moitié souhaitant voir apparaître un nouveau visage. Après le début de la guerre, ce score est progressivement grimpé jusqu’à 80 %. Auparavant, dans les groupes de discussion, les gens pouvaient exprimer des doutes à propos de Poutine, aujourd’hui, ils disent qu’il tient le pays et l’empêche d’être vaincu par l’Occident.
Love your post, this is the best part. So its the West fault for all this not Russia. If West has just let Russia do their thing it would be over in weeks and there would be peace? Or better yet with sending arms the West is prolonging the war, the same war Russians actually want to end I guess.
Its not Russia's fault millions of people are fleeing and there are half a million casulties its the west who dragged blameless Russia into war who just wanted peace and normal life. Poor, old Russia.
I guess if Trump becomes president it all comes true, I hope he'll end all this suffering with a peace deal in which Ukraine will let go of its territory. But ups Putin doesnt really want to talk peace now his army has the initiative. He supposedly wanted that only when things werent so rosy, but most probably it was just a propaganda to portray the West as the real agressor.
It seems to me it makes you excited while you write about the mighty Red Army.
Yes.
While having stabilized the domestic situation by essentially bribbing people to keep them from, which was the first and a clever thing to do from his point of view, it can't and won't last. He tapped in Russia's financial reserves and there will be a boomerang effect in the coming years.An interesting article about Russia since the start of the war. It's long, but I am brining some parts of it in the original language (French) and in English. It's based on an interview wth Denis Volkov, who " heads the only major reliable polling institute in Russia" according the magazine L'Express.fr .
"But, apart from the flag effect, the determining element is the economic situation, which is very stable. At the start of the conflict, when Western sanctions were introduced, people first rushed to banks to withdraw their money. But the government managed to calm the panic and the population backed down.
Not only is the economy stable, but the government has increased redistribution measures for those on the lowest incomes - increases in pensions, civil servants' salaries, expansion of social assistance programs for people with dependent children, or to facilitate purchase of an apartment.
Another key element is that soldiers engaged in the "special military operation" in Ukraine, most of whom come from small towns, have seen their pay increase significantly - they can earn five or six times more than before . Added to this is the fact that when a soldier is killed, the family receives around 5 million rubles, or around 50,000 euros. For residents of a small Russian town, this is a huge amount.
According to some estimates, people's incomes have never been higher in decades. The majority is therefore very positive about the economic situation, which helps maintain optimism and confidence in the government.
The share of the middle class has increased by around 5 percentage points in two years, after previously stagnating. These people, whose purchasing power is increasing, are generally linked to the state apparatus and therefore loyal to it."
" "Would you like Putin to be re-elected in the next election?"... in 2021, around 45% of those surveyed answered yes, with half wanting to see a new face appear. After the start of the war, this score gradually rose to 80%. Previously, in chat groups, people could express doubts about Putin, today they say that he is holding the country and preventing it from being defeated by the West."
Only one aggressor here, and it's not Ukraine or "the west".
This is what all the pro-Russia comments always come down to, in the end. From @DT12 to @Suedesi, from Trump to Orbán, it's the same: they're telling everyone to give up on Ukraine and let Russia win. That's all there is to it. Every argument about how wonderful Russia's economy is, all the handwringing about the West and the feigned concern about Ukrainian casualties, each condescending remark amounts to the same thing: Russia should be allowed to win and do as they see fit with Ukraine.
Once Putin turns to the Baltic states, these people will be back with the exact same message.
Oh oh but the West can be trusted right, they've proven to be honest brokers, right!?
Oh of course, NATO pushed Russia into attacking Baltic states by accepthing them into the fold. Their posts sound they're from one person who has 2 accounts.
I remember talking to a friend last year, he's pro Russian as you get, he was saying something like Trump didnt start any wars in the sense it was Biden who actually started the war in Ukraine.
It's always amusing how insane you go, anytime you start talking about specifics.Plenty of evidence - now a mountains worth - that Russia and Ukraine were close to a deal at the start of the war to end it in exchange for Ukraine's neutrality (not entering NATO), but Biden and Boris Johnson blocked it, insisting Zelensky go to war and win.
He went for it and got mauled.
The old "look at what you made me do" domestic abuser justification. Poor putin really had no choice than to invade and kill thousands...Plenty of evidence - now a mountains worth - that Russia and Ukraine were close to a deal at the start of the war to end it in exchange for Ukraine's neutrality (not entering NATO), but Biden and Boris Johnson blocked it, insisting Zelensky go to war and win.
He went for it and got mauled.
Plenty of evidence - now a mountains worth - that Russia and Ukraine were close to a deal at the start of the war to end it in exchange for Ukraine's neutrality (not entering NATO), but Biden and Boris Johnson blocked it, insisting Zelensky go to war and win.
He went for it and got mauled.
Suedesi and DT12 really sound like those 50-Cent Army (Wumao) trolls who have pushed Chinese propaganda over the last decade. Go figure if they are actually paid 50 cents per hour to write their pro-Kremlin bullshit.
Plenty of evidence - now a mountains worth - that Russia and Ukraine were close to a deal at the start of the war to end it in exchange for Ukraine's neutrality (not entering NATO), but Biden and Boris Johnson blocked it, insisting Zelensky go to war and win.
He went for it and got mauled.
You're leaving out the fact that Putin doesn't get to call the shots on who Ukraine, a sovereign nation, elects to align themselves with. Therefore what you're describing is based on a bad presumption.
Au contraire, apparently, the West calls the shots in Ukraine and got it wrong, leaving Ukraine to pay the price.
Nothing in these tweets proves what you previously suggested. The West never called the shots in Ukraine, as its a democratically elected government who call their own shots.
Au contraire, apparently, the West calls the shots in Ukraine and got it wrong, leaving Ukraine to pay the price.
It's slightly more nuanced, but I wouldn't expect such subtleties to interrupt the flight path of concepts soaring high above your comprehension.
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2022/05/is-the-u-s-actually-trying-to-help-ukraine
Here's former PM of Israel Naftali Bennet, saying that Western leaders blocked Ukraine / Russia peace deal which he negotiated on Zelensky's request in March '22 because they wanted to continue to strike Putin. He says that there was good chance of such deal.
Au contraire, apparently, the West calls the shots in Ukraine and got it wrong, leaving Ukraine to pay the price.
Plenty of evidence - now a mountains worth - that Russia and Ukraine were close to a deal at the start of the war to end it in exchange for Ukraine's neutrality (not entering NATO), but Biden and Boris Johnson blocked it, insisting Zelensky go to war and win.
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2022/05/is-the-u-s-actually-trying-to-help-ukraine
Here's former PM of Israel Naftali Bennet, saying that Western leaders blocked Ukraine / Russia peace deal which he negotiated on Zelensky's request in March '22 because they wanted to continue to strike Putin. He says that there was good chance of such deal.
At least you don't deny you're on the "let Russia win" camp. The mask is finally slipping off .
I'm really failing to understand your logic here to be honest. I have summarized in chronological steps to what you believe the timeline of events were. I'm not saying you are right or wrong, but let's just assume you are correct.
1. Ukraine and Russia is at peace, sans Little Green men in Donetsk and Luhansk.
2. Russia Invades.
3. War kicks off properly and officially.
4. After X time Russia and Ukraine start negotiating peace deal.
5. Talks scuppered due to Western pressure on Ukrainian side.
6. Bloodbath for 2 years.
That's a reductive summary for what you believe happened right?
So, assuming this is what actually happened...Why do you blame the war on the west for 5) in the series of events, but somehow Russia is not at fault for 2) despite, you know, rolling Combat Battalion groups into Ukraine and launching a full scale invasion?
Let's start at time 0: US conspires to overthrow the democratically elected government in Ukraine through the Maidan coup, picks the successor gov't and sets it for collision with Russia, in order to fight a proxy war with a longstanding adversary.
Don't bother. This is straight out of the Russian playbook again: they also say and even teach it in their schools that the 1956 uprising in Hungary was also somehow a CIA operation.Interesting. I was there in 2013 (note the protests did not kick off in 2014) in the first set of protests.
My partner's brother in law was one of the Майдан organizers, as he was working as a parliamentary assistant to Kyrylenko. I had dinner with many figures in the movement such as Igor Lutsenko, Irena Karper and Olek Sushko . Many of them I still remain in contact with through various forms of media despite not stepping foot in Ukraine since 2016. I've even had a conversation with Poroshenko. A lot of my time in Kyiv was spent discussing what was going on, the motivations, what the org groups wanted.
Are you saying that all my Ukrainian friends and family of my partner are all....American stooges?
Plenty of evidence - now a mountains worth - that Russia and Ukraine were close to a deal at the start of the war to end it in exchange for Ukraine's neutrality (not entering NATO), but Biden and Boris Johnson blocked it, insisting Zelensky go to war and win.
He went for it and got mauled.
Right on cue.Yes.
Its not about paranoia, its about your posts sounding like every other pro Russian one.Talk about paranoia - to think that every dissenting view is merely a shadow puppet show, orchestrated by a single individual with a dual digital identity.
Evidence is - trust me bro.And yet...you haven't provided this evidence.