Hopefully it will be a night of Champions with all of the holders putting their titles on the line.
i want to see GSP vs Silva at 177.5.
or unless he thinks he can use the fight to lure fedor...
though apparently the main stumbling blocks are the image rights and that he wouldnr allow fedor to compete in the sambo championships...
Fedor's handlers are too smart to get ensnared in a contract like the one the UFC offers. Dana won't back down on the contract clauses and Vadim Finklestein is way too slick to get fooled. I don't see it happening unless the Fertitta's tell Dana to make it happen and to give him whatever contract terms he wants.
or unless he thinks he can use the fight to lure fedor...
though apparently the main stumbling blocks are the image rights and that he wouldnr allow fedor to compete in the sambo championships...
3) Automatic renewal of contract permanently if Fedor is the champion (Can't have the champ leave with their belt)
In the last year they have cut or lost just to name a few, Arlovski, Big Tim, Soko, Werdum.
On a side note Anderson Silva (who's just been named fighter of the year http://www.setanta.com//uk/Blogs/James-Burman/2008/12/And-the-Fighter-of-the-Year-is/ ) is rumoured to be fighting Luiz Cane in London - and other possible fighters to be named on this bill are Roger Huerta, Joe Stevenson and Houston Alexander.
UFC are apparentely just days away from announcing the fixtures for O2 London 21st Feb.
cane always seems to be on the bill in the uk...
huerta is one of my favourite fighters... loved that fight when he used the big screen to pick the elbow shots...
if silva, dan and huerta are on the bill i'll be happy
On a side note Anderson Silva (who's just been named fighter of the year http://www.setanta.com//uk/Blogs/James-Burman/2008/12/And-the-Fighter-of-the-Year-is/ ) is rumoured to be fighting Luiz Cane in London - and other possible fighters to be named on this bill are Roger Huerta, Joe Stevenson and Houston Alexander.
Nucks, I dont see why UFC releasing fighters should be seen as a negative factor - the fighters you mention that have been ruthlessly been released from their contracts are not top level fighters anymore - Arlovski & Silvia may have been previously, but it is clear that UFC are more interested in up and coming stars.
Its obvious you have very strong feelings against the UFC and its principles - but is it not possible that fighters use the UFC to their advantage?
Yeah I like Huerta a lot, the fight with him watching the screen was brilliant, wish he'd wear looser shorts though.
Looks pretty certain that Silva will be on the card - I know my mate will be happy Alexander is rumored to be fighting, rates him highly although he is on a three fight losing streak & maybe fighting for his future.
The ppv fights (although they arent ppv here) attracts many viewers, although I read somewhere recently that TUF thats aired on Setanta is only getting 4000 viewers per show.
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i know they earn more in the ufc than they do in cage rage... but the big thing it opens up is sponsership... fighters become more marketable when they are ufc fighters...
personally I would prefer if it wasnt skewed in favour of ju jitsu guys (allow small joint manipulation and strikes when people are down and it would be better imo)... make the matts a lot thinner as well... people look to take down far too much... if the kali sprawl was allowed, small joint manipulation and thinner matts i think people would actually fight more aggressivley...
but for now i think ufc is becoming to mma what don king was for boxing... which is not good in the long term... would be interesting if mma was introduced to the olympics... back closer to the origional ufc's where people are fighting 2 or 3 times in a day...
What is the "kali sprawl"?
Last time you mentioned it, I did a google search and the only hit I got was from this very thread on redcafe!
in kali the majot takedown defence is to let them take you down but you use your body weight on the spine... it can be used to kill somebody with enough force... in mma they class this as a blow to the back of the head and its banned...
Thanks for that.
I can see why it's banned though!
yeah but a rear naked choke... or a kick to the temple can kill somebody as well if used with enough force?...
personally i just feel that ju jitsu is favoured too much by ufc rules....
i think at the very least they should make the matts much much thinner so that people arent waiting to be taken down...
Fair point.
But most fighters tap before they get choked out nowadays (kind of pointless resisting when it's locked tight) and there's always the risk of an unlucky blow to the temple in any combat sport. I guess that's just seen as an acceptable risk.
I take your point about ju jitsu being favoured too much but don't you think that just reflects what would happen in a real fight? Every fighter needs to have a ground game because pretty much every fight will end up on the ground, given time.
This whole rubber-man guard a lot of fighters are using nowadays is interesting. It looks as though if someone can do this properly, there's pretty much no disadvantage from being on your back. There was some beardy bloke (with a tatooed leg) who used it to set up an arm-bar at the last UFC and - as far as I could work out - there was pretty much nothing his opponent could have done about it.
personally i just feel that ju jitsu is favoured too much by ufc rules....
Fair point.
But most fighters tap before they get choked out nowadays (kind of pointless resisting when it's locked tight) and there's always the risk of an unlucky blow to the temple in any combat sport. I guess that's just seen as an acceptable risk.
I take your point about ju jitsu being favoured too much but don't you think that just reflects what would happen in a real fight? Every fighter needs to have a ground game because pretty much every fight will end up on the ground, given time.
This whole rubber-man guard a lot of fighters are using nowadays is interesting. It looks as though if someone can do this properly, there's pretty much no disadvantage from being on your back. There was some beardy bloke (with a tatooed leg) who used it to set up an arm-bar at the last UFC and - as far as I could work out - there was pretty much nothing his opponent could have done about it.
well in a REAL fight... its rarely one on one... you try to put a choke or a lock on my friend and i will pick up the biggest thing i can find and smash you in the face with it...
as for fights ending up on the ground... yes it happens a lot...
however the gloves lessen the blows for the strikers... you can not strike knees or poke eyes etc...
in reality a takedown onto concrete or something can finish most fights in its self as you look to rattle the head when you do it...
completly different on matts...
also when they are down again you cant kick to the head so you have to look to pass guard which is playing into ju jitsu... you cant simply smash their head into the ground as there are thick matts there...
you cant use small joint manipulation... somebody tries to slip their hand undem my neck in a real fight i dont try and grab the arm to stop it... i try and snap their fingers...
if they have me in a guard i would poke their eyes or look to bite their neck...
now i know a lot of these things cant be used in a competition anyway but it does seem that the rules favor ju jitsu to me...
and i love ju jitsu... did japanese ju jitsu for years and train a bit of brazilian stuff now... but the truth is i dont think it accuratley reflects a real fight...
as for the rubberman guard i think thats going to be used more and more...
though interestingly i think some of the keysi striking methods might become incorparated into the ground game as its a good offence from being on your back... though no doubt as soon as you hit the back of their head (even if they turn it) you get called for that as well
that beardy bloke does look like he could be quite good actually...
but i suppose the way i look at it is if the ufc fighters fought in the carpark i bet the strikers would do a lot better than the ju jitsu guys...
and i bet if mma was done on harder surfaces and small joint manupiulation + kicks to the hrad allowed you would see ju jitsu guys working a LOT more on their stand up game
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If you want real fighting join the fecking army. .
no thanks... i'll stick to training krav maga with those guys and doing jkd...
no thanks... i'll stick to training krav maga with those guys and doing jkd...
"Real" fighting in normal society doesn't exist. It is a concept where you take any advantage and use all advantages available to win. You talk about snapping fingers and biting people and driving your elbow into their spinal column. Why? Just fecking shoot them since you seem intent on causing as much bodily harm as possible. That is "real" fighting and the only place you can "really" fight is in the Army.
So keep training your Krav Maga (I saw the show on discovery too!) and learn to bend someones finger back until it snaps. Those are some super difficult skills to pickup and more importantly extremely relevant for everyday life.
MMA is a sport, nobody with any intelligence is going to run around trying to fight people to the death by securing a killer omoplatta. You'd just get shot.
Oh, BTW, where do you go to study Krav Maga? It's probably the best self-defence discipline there is.
at team rough house in nottingham...
dan hardy and paul daily train there (though paul is up less than dan... and dan does not teach that much now)
they also have dave stevens who teaches krav maga and he is one of the higest qualified instructors in the uk...
some proper tough polish nutters in the class as well...
I also train JKD which is probably id say my primary art and i use it to compile all i have lerned in the other arts keeping in mind the simple, direct and effective mantra... (JKD is imo the best self deffence... similar ethos to krav maga but more orientated anout fecking the other guy up for good rather than just getting away)
I have also done some Kali, some escrima, did Kung Fu for a number of years as well... did a bit of thai chi and it wasnt for me... maybee when i get older
i started boxing when i was a kid then did japanese ju jitsu for 7 years...
I train muay thai now and then in the uk but go to train in thailand a couple of times a year as well...
i also train a bit of bjj in the uk at roughouse and a couple of times a year in the states...
i dont realy train mma... i just happen to train and spar with some mma guys quite a lot but my focus and interest in martial arts comes mainly in the practical application...
i recently attended a keysi seminar with the guys who created it and that was fun though im not convinced of its practicallity in reality... though it provides some interesting alternatives at trapping range... you can tell its basically modified jkd concepts stuff... good against multiple attackers but not as simple as it could be for 1 on 1...
Not a bad resume if you ask me. Ever thought of trying your hand at MMA?
I actually feel like wrestling is the favored discipline. Wrestlers take people down, take a dominant position and then throw meaningless punches to maintain it. Then they win the fight and you wish you had shot yourself in the face.
