I just don't know who could stop Brock now. Would love to see Arlovski fight him, if he could keep it off the floor for a sufficient length of time, he could easily out-box Lesnar. Josh Barnett would also be a shout, though not a very good one.
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fedor...
it is crazy that brock weight 265 for the weigh in and is probably 290+ when fighting...
most heavy weights dont even cut and come in around 225-245...
if there was a super heavy weight class lesnar wouldnt even get to fight the guys he does now...
still it would be interesting to see if he could baimtain his fighting style for 5 rounds... just a case of finding somenody who can take him into the later rounds...
personally id like to see mma go the way of bjj competitions and you have to weigh in just before the fight...
afterall there was alaves weighting 197lbs fighting in the 170lbs division yesterday...
weigh in on the day and fight at the weight you weigh...
for example if lesnar fought fedor he could well have a 5 stone advantage... which is a crazy amount (id still back fedor though because hes just that good and he hits just soooo hard)
fedor would smash him up
Last night was full of highs and lows... the Lows being from a personal standpoint, my mate TJ lost and the Prelims were poor, but the maincard was exciting, with a few dominating performances, and a few close ones.
I must say 100 got me pumped for 101, a card i've been saying since as far as i can remember would be better:
B.J. Penn vs. Kenny Florian (for the LHW Title)
Anderson Silva vs. Forrest Griffin (@ LHW)
Amir Sadollah vs. Johny Hendricks
Kendall Grove vs. Ricardo Almeida
Josh Neer vs. Kurt Pellegrino
Shane Nelson vs. Aaron Riley
Tamdan McCrory vs. John Howard
Thales Leites vs. Alessio Sakara
Matt Riddle vs. Dan Cramer
George Sotiropoulos vs. Rob Emerson
Jesse Lennox vs. Danillo Villefort
I must say 100 got me pumped for 101, a card i've been saying since as far as i can remember would be better:
B.J. Penn vs. Kenny Florian (for the LHW Title)
Anderson Silva vs. Forrest Griffin (@ LHW)
Amir Sadollah vs. Johny Hendricks
Kendall Grove vs. Ricardo Almeida
Josh Neer vs. Kurt Pellegrino
Shane Nelson vs. Aaron Riley
Tamdan McCrory vs. John Howard
Thales Leites vs. Alessio Sakara
Matt Riddle vs. Dan Cramer
George Sotiropoulos vs. Rob Emerson
Jesse Lennox vs. Danillo Villefort
I agree that Fedor could beat Lesnar, as I've posted before, but it certainly wouldn't be a gimme. And it's so ridiculous what weight he was, had about twice as much muscle as Mir! Fighters are never the weight they weigh in at when it comes to the actual fight, but Brock is just ridiculous. Only way around it would be a weight-cap on heavyweight (which I could never see happening), a super-heavyweight division (of which Brock would be the only member) or as you said, weigh in on the day, which would be a brilliant idea.
They say Brock is a freak of nature, whereas Fedor is a freak of technique (it rhymes so it must be true). Like you said, he's just THAT GOOD. His punches are indeed hard, but the main thing about them is that they hit so accurately (cf. his last two fights).
this looks to be a great fight though... a genuine test for silva at 205... and if he wins then possibly a title shot as jackson and evans are lined up to fight each other...
macheda has rua next...
so if silva wins against forrest then surely he gives himself a chance of a shot
I really hope Forrest wins, I think he's brilliant. That being said, I also really like Silva, but I think this is Forrest's time. Machida is superb, never seen someone el elusive before, 101's gonna be special.
Brock has taken IGF-L3 (HGH-1). ive seen him at 330lbs with 6% body fat.
That is not natural. The UFC need to test for forms of HGH, but this would take tissue tests, so that wont happen. I wouldn't put his success all down to drugs tho, he has incredible strength and skills.
But these strains of HGH are a lot more effective and do make a massive difference in strength and stamina, and also in recovery and injury repair.
I dont know if Brock is using hormones now, but a lot of medical evidence is now showing that the use of L3, does not reverse, and tendon strength and muscle size/strength remains after the athlete ceases to use.
This will always cloud his success in the eyes of some people.
Same with Tim Sylvia and his steroid abuse.
That is not natural. The UFC need to test for forms of HGH, but this would take tissue tests, so that wont happen. I wouldn't put his success all down to drugs tho, he has incredible strength and skills.
But these strains of HGH are a lot more effective and do make a massive difference in strength and stamina, and also in recovery and injury repair.
I dont know if Brock is using hormones now, but a lot of medical evidence is now showing that the use of L3, does not reverse, and tendon strength and muscle size/strength remains after the athlete ceases to use.
This will always cloud his success in the eyes of some people.
Same with Tim Sylvia and his steroid abuse.
personally i wouldnt be surprised if quite a few of them were on drugs...
still... i cant be the only one who would actually pay a little extra to watch 2 freakishly big people roid rage on each other in a cage...
Yeah, the WWF/WWE actually encouraged the use of Steroids so the wrestlers would have more of a visual impact. And that was fair enough because it was all make believe. But MMA should be a test of skill/ability on a level playing field.
MMA is evolving so quick, and becoming a serious sport, i just hope all the showmanship bollox doesn't come with it.
MMA is evolving so quick, and becoming a serious sport, i just hope all the showmanship bollox doesn't come with it.
in the past maybe, but WWE does test and ban people now, (although im sure a few slip through the net)
Did you not see Lesnar after his victory last night? Was like something from a Royal Rumble.
i loved the bit when he said im off for a coors light... brcause bud light wont pay me any money
i can imagine dana white chewing him out over that...
still dana and brock falling out might be the best chance we have of seeing fedor vs lesnar
isnt there other former wrestlers in the next tuf... and former american football players and kimbo... that all seems a little too media friendly for my liking... im sure there were probably some better fighters tried out who wouldnt have guaranteed as much tv interest
keep an eye out for art of war though...
backed by the chienese governemt and one the princes of brunei (or however the feck you spell it)... a mix of ufc and pride rules... basically 5 munite rounds and you can kick to the head... has the potentiall to be the new pride and with the backers they have they could provide a genuine alternative to ufc... especially if they start flashing the cash at fedor and out of contract ufc fighters + lawler + shields... plus go for some of the top wec guys... it will be interesting to see how they develop
i really wanna see Brock v Lashley
Have there been any characters like Brock Lesnar in the UFC before? I just have no idea what Dana's reaction might be. On one hand, he could see this is a great opportunity to increase ratings. On the other, he's been going on about how he wants the UFC and MMA in general to gain recognition as a genuine sport, instead of being compared to the entertainment bonanza that is American wrestling.
danas a very good business man...
i doubt he likes one of his employees bitching about a main sponsor in the middle of the octogan...
At least you're consistent.
Did you watch their first fight? Brock was playing exactly into Coutures gameplan. He was visibly tired after the first round and was slowing heavily in the second when he cold cocked Randy.
I am no Randy fan, in fact I think he is decidedly over rated, however to deny that Brock was gassing is to deny the sky is blue, it was right there for everyone to see.
Time is certainly against Randy, and inexperience is certainly in favor of Brock. Right now Brock has one gaping hole in his game that he will probably never address. He is a terrible striker. He hits like a truck, yes, but he is tentative and has no natural head movement or deflection technique. He gets pawed in the face and he covers up. A man with the speed and quickness to exploit this WILL ko/tko Lesnar.
Additionally he will always have a suspect gas tank, just part and parcel with being nearly ~280+ when he steps into the ring.
I think Cain Velasquez can tool him if/when they fight. Cain will carry a tempo too high for Brock to maintain, if Cain can get top positions repeatedly vs Brock it is over. Brock we exhaust himself and get knocked out.
Cro Cop could tool him, if Cro Cop can stay on his feet long enough to establish himself early on, he could catch Brock covering up and just unload. However again this may be wishful thinking as the current Cro Cop hasn't shown the willingness to let his hands go that he did earlier in his career.
Randy, is a superior striker to Brock, in fact Randy has developed pretty slick boxing for an MMA fighter. He also proved that he was effectively nullifying the bigger younger man in their first fight. Again, time and Brocks potential to improve conspire vs Randy, but the cracks were showing in the first fight and it had the potential to turn into another "how the feck did Randy win that" decision.
The way their first fight was going, it was a matter of time before Lesnar self destructed into a giant cardio seizure. He however made it academic when he clipped Randy and finished it.
Fedor is every bit as much a freak of nature that Brock is. As Brock is strong, Fedor is fast.
Brock is a massive specimen with massive strength, Fedor is as freakish for the speed and explosiveness he packs into his still quite large body.
This is why Fedor would in all likelihood knock Lesnar out in the first round. He wouldn't give Lesnar a chance to get off, ala Timmay, he would jump on him immediately, make him turtle up and just zulu him.
Tito Ortiz was inflammatory, but not to that extent.
I think you mean LW title.
But the Forrest vs. Silva fight is the one I want to see, this will set up Forrest again for a title shot if he can squeak out a victory. Silva can't be arsed to show up for fights anymore, so this will be a very good test for him.
Can't wait to see Hendo vs. Silva again, or possibly the rumored GSP/Silva fight.
Penn will win, he just owns that division like GSP does the Welterweights.
I think you mean LW title.
But the Forrest vs. Silva fight is the one I want to see, this will set up Forrest again for a title shot if he can squeak out a victory. Silva can't be arsed to show up for fights anymore, so this will be a very good test for him.
Can't wait to see Hendo vs. Silva again, or possibly the rumored GSP/Silva fight.
Penn will win, he just owns that division like GSP does the Welterweights.
as gsp said himself he is pretty small for a ww he walks around at 185 and does not cut weight...
silva walks around at well over 200...
as gsp says it would take him a long time to put that much weight on and for it not just to be fat...
how about this for a thought though... if he was to coach a season on tuf that might give him enough time to put the weight on???
but i guess depends on if silva wants the fight or if he wants to go up to lhw... because he cuts a hell of a lot of weight and the older you get the harder that gets
GSP is small from a ww. The idea of pushing up a weight and challenging himself must be an appealing one, but he must fear that he will be kicked around by much bigger and stronger men. Even if he did put weight on, he'd still be very small for a mw. Imagine him against the likes of Henderson.
Does anybody hate Brock? I despise him for no particular reason.
??? He's not small for a WW. He walks around at 185 all the time; he said so himself around the time of this weigh-in and also when the initial talks of fighting Silva came about. Look at other guys in the division ... they're either tall and skinny or short and stocky. GSP is slightly taller than most and ripped with muscle.
If you meant he's small for a MW, then yeah, I kinda agree when you look at the MW division top fighters right now. When you get into the MW and higher you start talking knockout power in every fight, not just technical fighting. But if GSP puts on quality muscle weight, his speed can get him through the MW division.
I like EZee's recommendation, make him a coach for TUF with Silva or another MW contender. Give GSP time to put it on, then get a division fight or go straight to Silva.
I like Brock, but he does have the possibility of making the HW a joke. If no one can get close to beating him, how fun will it be to watch? I don't hate him, but last night's dig at Mir, however much deserved, was over the top. I'd like to see Brock learn more of other disciplines, so he can work fights like Couture, GSP, and the other great fighters that come in ready for anything that a fighter can throw at them instead of just throwing bombs and giving facial reconstructive surgery in the ring.
i like him, which is weird, because the reason i like him is probably because he used to be in WWE, however, when he was in WWE, i absolutely hated him
sorry i ment to say he walks around at 170 and does not ususlly water cut for fights... or certainly not to any great extent...
hence i think he would need the time to put a stone on (and he would still then probably be a stone under the actual weight of his opponent)...
the more i think about it i stand by what i said earlier in thinking that they should move the weigh ins to the fight night ala bjj competitions... weigh in on your way into the ring
Nah you're not alone. Hate the feck out of him just because I think he's a cnut.
i actually have quite a lot of respect for him...
the easy thing would have been to stay in wrestling... but fair play to him he wanted to prove he can fight...
his strinking has been improving and he has great wrestling... imagine trying to stop one of his takedowns
took some balls for him to go to the ufc...fair play to him
Brock apologized at the press conference after the fight and had a bud light with him. I guess Dana White talked some sense into him.
I am glad that Bisping got knocked out, he was a total cock during that whole show.
He was a cock but for some reason I still wanted him to win. I thought Henderson was a bit out of order for saying that second blow when Bisping was clearly Ko'd was punishment.
I also thought Brock was a complete cock after his fight and I'd love to see him get knocked out.
we need mario or luigi to take down donkey kong
I doubt he gave a feck. As far as Bud are concerned, all publicity is good publicity. How many other fighters name-checked their brand?
Even they did get the hump, Dana knows which side his bread is buttered. There'll be more sponsors and Lesnar is pure box office. He must have been delighte to see the big, hateful prick playing the bad guy. It just makes us chumps even more determined to watch his next fight, praying someone batters him.
Lesnar is an absolute arsehole. Suprised to see nobody has mentioned about the fact that Lesnar and Mir nearly kicked off again after the fight.
Hes basically playing the heel angle like he did in the WWE,
Has bisping done an interview since the match yet, if he has woke up yet?
I hope this loss will shut Bisping up a bit. Always been talented, but my god does he talk some shit.
Pretty sure he gave a feck, considering Brock had a press conference later on where he apologized and drank a Bug Light.
I'd be of the same thought. I used to like Bisping, but he really annoyed me with his treatment of Matt Hamill. It was even worse considering 99% of people thought Hamill was the clear winner. He really does talk some shit. He is not in the top league as he seems to think he is.
Did you see his face just before Lesnar's hand was raised? He was absolutely delighted.
USA USA USA got ktfo bitchping!!
More publicity for Bud. Everyone's a winner.