Aaron Ramsey

Not always the case no, but I'd say it's true in the majority of cases.

I think Fabregas will look better for Barcelona than he ever has for Arsenal, because he's obviously talented enough to step it up.
 
Brwned said:
Not always the case no, but I'd say it's true in the majority of cases.

I think Fabregas will look better for Barcelona than he ever has for Arsenal, because he's obviously talented enough to step it up.
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Absolutely. That's why i was quick to add it wasn't a comment directed at Fabregas. He would look class no matter what team he was playing in.
 
Fabregas would probably look better for Barcelona, he looks better for Spain who basically indentically to Barcelona anyway. But that's not the point, we're not talking hypotheticals here, the point is he's not done it and in big games this season, which seperate the very top players, he's disappointed.
 
Myxomatosis said:
Fabregas would probably look better for Barcelona, he looks better for Spain who basically indentically to Barcelona anyway. But that's not the point, we're not talking hypotheticals here, the point is he's not done it and in big games this season, which seperate the very top players, he's disappointed.
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Who are the very top players?

I'd still have him down as most in-form centre mid all season, but I've seen comparatively little of Xavi and Iniesta so it's not an opinion I'd give a whole lot of weight to.
 
Even though he snubbed us, I hope his bright career hasn't been ruined by that challenge. No one deserves that.
 
Pronewbie said:
Even though he snubbed us, I hope his bright career hasn't been ruined by that challenge. No one deserves that.
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From the 1 shot of it we saw it looked like his ankle. If it was he'll prob have problems for the rest of his career. For his sake i hope it was his leg.
 
cw1984 said:
From the 1 shot of it we saw it looked like his ankle. If it was he'll prob have problems for the rest of his career. For his sake i hope it was his leg.
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Looked like his lower leg from my view.
 
That's why I'm hoping. It looked like he'd lose athletic function of that leg for the rest of his life. But then again with medical advances..
 
Wasn't a red card, though. It was a late challenge where the player on the receiving end was unlucky to be hurt. Both players went for the ball with no intent to harm the other - one just got there slightly beforehand.

I wish him well and all, but Christ the commentary got a little bit wearisome, "going to his bedside", "horrifying injury". He broke his leg for feck's sake like hundreds of people do every single day. He wasn't diagnosed with cancer.
 
Count Duckula said:
Wasn't a red card, though. It was a late challenge where the player on the receiving end was unlucky to be hurt. Both players went for the ball with no intent to harm the other - one just got there slightly beforehand.

I wish him well and all, but Christ the commentary got a little bit wearisome, "going to his bedside", "horrifying injury". He broke his leg for feck's sake like hundreds of people do every single day. He wasn't diagnosed with cancer.
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He's an 18 year old professional footballer lying on the floor before being put immediatly in a waiting ambulance, as far as his world goes its pretty horrific.
 
JayWalker said:
These guys make a living with those legs, so as far as they go, its their bread and butter and for a young tremendously talented lad all of 19, it cant get any worse than this.
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Yeh, it could. And that's my point.

It was a horrible injury, but it wasn't life-threatening or anything. What got me was the commentary talking about "visiting his bed side" and tenderly informing him of the result, like you would with a terminally ill relative who is too weak to look for themselves. He's an eighteen year old lad who has broken his leg. Horrible, sure, but my best mate broke both his legs in a car accident at seventeen and his world didn't end.
 
Any ideas on how long these injuries take to recover from or is it too early to tell? I seem to remember Cisse making a very speedy recovery after suffering something similar, but there have been other players who have been out for close to a year.
 
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Count Duckula said:
Yeh, it could. And that's my point.

It was a horrible injury, but it wasn't life-threatening or anything. What got me was the commentary talking about "visiting his bed side" and tenderly informing him of the result, like you would with a terminally ill relative who is too weak to look for themselves. He's an eighteen year old lad who has broken his leg. Horrible, sure, but my best mate broke both his legs in a car accident at seventeen and his world didn't end.
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was your mate a professional footballer who relied on his athletic ability and fully functioning limbs to perform and achieve at his job? I think you're missing the point. Such injuries for footballers are truely horrendous. On a grand scale of world sorrow, no it's nothing big, but for Ramsey right now it's a nightmare.
 
Maybe you should hide that behind a spoiler, a lot of people don't want to see it.
 
Count Duckula said:
Yeh, it could. And that's my point.

It was a horrible injury, but it wasn't life-threatening or anything. What got me was the commentary talking about "visiting his bed side" and tenderly informing him of the result, like you would with a terminally ill relative who is too weak to look for themselves. He's an eighteen year old lad who has broken his leg. Horrible, sure, but my best mate broke both his legs in a car accident at seventeen and his world didn't end.
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Tbf, when a player is tipped to be one of the next best players to emerge and from that to now where his career itself hangs in the balance, it is pretty distressing. The part about him being 18 only makes it worse.

Sure obviously, its not a question of life. But its understandable why he might get this kind of sympathy.
 
Redfighter said:
was your mate a professional footballer who relied on his athletic ability and fully functioning limbs to perform and achieve at his job? I think you're missing the point. Such injuries for footballers are truely horrendous. On a grand scale of world sorrow, no it's nothing big, but for Ramsey right now it's a nightmare.
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So my friend, not being a professional footballer, is less worthy of sympathy than someone who is? Despite being in just as much distress and pain (probably more, given it was both legs) and almost certainly not receiving the same level of treatment as Arsenal will undoubtedly pay for? It's a real shame for Ramsey, but he broke his leg. That's it. When you were at school did no one break their legs? Or, when they did, did you all sit there in silence for the rest of the day, and cry?
 
MrMarcello said:
Red card or not?
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Difficult to tell without seeing a replay. I didnt think it was a red at first and the ref wasnt going to give him a red until he saw the kid's leg so i guess that's a pretty good indication that it prob wasnt a red card tackle.
 
MrMarcello said:
Red card or not?
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No. Both players went for the ball and Ramsey got there first. Ref gave the red when he saw the extent of the injury and the players' reactions. He then proceeded to give every remaining decision Arsenal's way, including but not limited to a very soft penalty, a soft freekick and ignoring Fabregas' malicious and outrageous tackle from behind that should have merited a yellow card.
 
If anyone of us was refereeing and saw that broken leg in front of him, he'll probably give a red card. Yes it was unintentional and was a 50/50 situation, but that's how it is
 
feck that is horrible, hope its not as bad as it looks.

Have to feel sorry for Shawcross too
 
MrMarcello said:
I was away when this happened so I haven't seen the match. So it basically sounds like the ref altered the match in Arsenal's favor.
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He gave a red that wasn't a red purely because of the horrible injury that resulted, not the tackle itself, and then proceeded to give every single decision Arsenal's way in an attempt to redress the balance of karma that was disrupted when Aaron Ramsey was hurt.
 
Count Duckula said:
No. Both players went for the ball and Ramsey got there first. Ref gave the red when he saw the extent of the injury and the players' reactions. He then proceeded to give every remaining decision Arsenal's way, including but not limited to a very soft penalty, a soft freekick and ignoring Fabregas' malicious and outrageous tackle from behind that should have merited a yellow card.
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What? He won the ball, that wasn't malicious.
 
I saw the photo, can't tell but seems like both of his legs were broken? Really horrible.
 
cina said:
What? He won the ball, that wasn't malicious.
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He was nowhere near the ball! He slid in from behind, missed the ball completely and then ran off to try and provoke the Stoke bench. He's a nasty little shit who was lucky to get away with it because the referee was too busy bending over backwards to give Arsenal every possible decision in sympathy.
 
Count Duckula said:
He gave a red that wasn't a red purely because of the horrible injury that resulted, not the tackle itself, and then proceeded to give every single decision Arsenal's way in an attempt to redress the balance of karma that was disrupted when Aaron Ramsey was hurt.
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It amazes me how refs will wait to see the result of a tackle or something then issue a red yet Brown stomps Giggsy's legs and nothing. Had he broke Giggs' leg then the ref might have given a red. Is that what it takes in some circumstances, whether right or wrong?

For me it should be a yellow or red upon initial view not a minute later after an injury assessment. That allows for human emotion and sympathy to possibly enter a judgment call.
 
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