I hope we don't loan him, ever since i first saw him play I've thought he has the potential to be brilliant. Needs to stay with us and be trusted in Premier League games.
Danny Welbeck
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It's a nice sentiment Sol but the fact is that he wouldn't get many games here. If he can go to a Premier League club and get regular games then it should do him a World of good and set him up to come back next season and have a genuine chance of first team football.
All going well, of course.
That's the thing though, the purpose of loaning him out would be to get him experience and determine if he's ready. I think he is ready now. I could see him doing well in games against mid-table sides and a few like Spurs and Villa. I think 15-20 Prem games here would be better, with Carling and FA Cup too.
He's got at least four strikers and four wingers ahead of him at any given point
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most likely bs
most likely bs
More than likely but at least he'd be guarranteed (?) games. Not as bad a move as you may think.
When you talk about welbeck the silly thing is most people will say he's impressed more then kiko on the tour and yes it's danny who has to go out on loan. We know Sir Alex rates kiko as one of our best finishers but welbecks a better 'player'. Both are quite big. I think in years to come Welbeck and Obertan will form a good 'partnership' on the pitch (not strike partnership). They linked up well a few times on the tour.
Macheda-Welbeck-Obertan will be a future understanding partnership of some repute IMO...
The odds on all 3 making it at Utd are minute, I'll be delighted if one of those 3 really cements a first team place in the future.
That's not to say I don't rate them, I like all 3 and think they all have the potential - but to break through at United you need talent, the right attitude and then luck as well. Still, here's hoping
I think Welbeck most certainly will make it, and one of Obertan/Macheda will make it at United which will be great, hopefully all three do, although at this point as you say the odds of it happening are minute, as it is I reckon Macheda will end up back in Italy at some point in the next few years.
Let's hope we add keane and king to that in 3/4 years or maybe someone else will come in and suprise us but I think Obertans a real throwback to the young Ronaldo. He's probably not got Ronaldos mentality but if we can get him right...
Back to welbeck though, it's a pity he didn't get another goal or two for his displays. He had some really good efforts just flying wide
He's shown nothing like the kind of end product like a young Ronaldo. They are not even in the same class. The young Ronaldo showed flashes but was very inconsistent. Obertan hasn't even showed flashes yet. And Im talking about competitive appearances not reserves and friendlies.
I'm talking style not end product but then again Ronaldo was in the team from the get go and Obertans not been. Yes Ronaldos mentality is hard to beat but then we don't know Obertan. We know Obertan isn't daft like Ronaldo was when he was yong with all his step overs but he can beat men with pace and with a trick like Ronaldo and he's quick.
To say obertans not shown flashes is rubbish though. He had a good run and shot in europe. I think it was a group game. He set up owen in germany with a good run and nice skill He's shown good ability here and there. He's just not had a run of 3 games let alone 10-15. You can see the type of player he is from the games where we bought him directly
People say Nani is or atleast used to but I think Obertan is more like the young Ronaldo style wise - though clearly nanis end prodcts better but you expect that
It's not silly. What is more the case is that Welbeck has reached a point that he needs more games week in and week to improve.
Macheda on the other hand maybe needs that but, also could be that not impressing as much on tour could do more time with our system. Not to mention that he perhaps due to ego issues, it might be better he is at this club under the watch of the boss. Don't forget there will always be stuff said about him heading back to Italy if he is getting games etc. So his situation may have to be handled a bit differently.
Macheda also had far more time off from injury last season that whatever progress he was making could have taken a setback.
Welbeck with us has also not had a chance to play a striker role in the first team. If he continues to stay here, because he can play wide unlike Macheda, that may be the only way he gets pitch time, to be used out wide. At another club he might get a chance to play a central striker more and thus developing that part of his game.
To be fair, while he has shown flashes of real skill and flair, he hasn't even had a single 90 minutre game when he's been consistent let alone a run of games.
He reminds me far more of a young Nani than a Ronaldo
Welbecks played and impressed on tour. He needs games? So does Kiko...I'm not sure of your point about needing our system. I thought it was all about getting games....
The last points an excuse. Danny missed a lot of football too.
Yes he might benefit...but again Dannys a better player. Kiko's very raw. Clearly Dannys more versatile and I just think it's a good thing especially when you see how he's played
but that's fine. I'm not saying your wrong
It's cool. Let's hope they all develop like Ronaldo. Wouldn't that be something? Though less of a cnut would be nicePlease note: I meant style of player though Nani was showing good things last season to give us more creativity on the pitch. Let's not forget Obertan was bought for his potential. He's very much a work in progress
Obertan is clearly not in the same class as Ronaldo and will never become as good but he can become a decent player. I'm not really that sure that he has a potential to be a game-winner to be fair though, I haven't been particularly impressed with him at United so far.
Could see it happen.. Isn't Coppell their manager?
Welbeck is the only player from the current crop of young players who actually doesn't turn me on even a bit. Too inconsistent for my liking.
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Kikos consistant? I gotta sit down.
You don't understand that at some point some players reach a point where only training and learning from the coaching system will no longer improve them much?
This is the point Welbeck is at IMO.
Macheda on the other hand can surely get something out of games but, he also seems still a candidate to get still get quite a bit from training and coaching at United. Whether it was injury or believing the hype (perhaps both) - his progress stalled last year.
The point about needing our system is in getting the discipline and watch of our coaching staff who are more likely to guide him than if he goes off to wherever and doesn't do well. To another team they can just bench him and may not even play in their reserve systems (even if it is allowed for loaned players to play in reserves of other teams but, why would they when they have their own youth to develop?)
Ofcourse I do but people are suggesting kikos a first team option...Sir Alex for one. That's fair enough. You loan out a player, then what? Granted maybe owen won't be given an extra year but it seems strange. People talk about taking your chances. You have to take your chances. One game aside Kiko been pretty quiet. Obviously Kiko's mentality is good but it just feels like it's because we don't have the room rather then anything else and then you think what more could Danny have done? He's not played forward - in a front three he'd be good - but he's still had 4/5 efforts on goal and created a goal. He's a strong lad too and I think he's a tad quicker then kiko. Kiko's probably a better finisher but welbecks not shabby at that either.
Silly was the wrong word, strange perhaps. He seems confident enough oh well. Hope it's with a good club. Thats the main thing.
From what I noticed Macheda seemed to be "slow" on a couple of balls played through to him that I would have fancied Welbeck or one of the other players to get to.
I don't think Macheda is going to be first team starter but, might play as impact player of the bench - which is good when you need a finisher. He'll get a couple first team games in the CC or dead rubber CL matches but, for the most part may still get his game time in the reserves.
I think Kiko has been underwhelming - which is why I think he needs to be here, so they can kick his ass into gear.
I don't think Macheda is going to be first team starter but, might play as impact player of the bench - which is good when you need a finisher. He'll get a couple first team games in the CC or dead rubber CL matches but, for the most part may still get his game time in the reserves.
I think Kiko has been underwhelming - which is why I think he needs to be here, so they can kick his ass into gear.
I'm not sure kikos that quick. He's certainly not a hernandez sadly. I think it's safe to say we've options either way
though I just can't see Kiko in the reserves now. I think he's out grown it in some respects like WelbeckTurns 20 in two and a half months.
Not that it invalidates your point, but still incorrect.
Really? Bloody hell. They grow up so quick don't they.
Yup, born November 26th 1990.
Ahh those ITK journalists (bear in mind these are both football journalists who write for the Northern Echo):
An hour later...
Paul Fraser said:
An hour later...
Scott Wilson said:
If he's going out on loan it has to be somewhere he starts. We don't want another Rossi/Newcastle situation.
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Blackburn played Di Santo far more than he merited last year.
I'd be really happy with a Blackburn move, not too much competition, while also not being in a team likely to be pounded most weeks (Blackpool I'm looking your way). Also relatively local so can stay in touch with United coaches, physios etc. easily and Big Sam is a friend of SAF... Would be a good move imo
fecking hell. I turn 20 in a few days.
Jesus.
Jesus.
Yup, agree with that. They were linked with a loan move for Diouf today but you have to think that they'd get a better deal with Welbeck.
Will be loaned to Sunderland according to Sky Sports:
Sky Sports | Football News | Premier League | Manchester United | Welbeck set for Sunderland
Sky Sports | Football News | Premier League | Manchester United | Welbeck set for Sunderland
They better bloody use him then!
Can't wait to see him in action for them.
Can't wait to see him in action for them.
I just can't see it, he's definitely going there as their 4th choice striker, behind Bent, Jones and Campbell
Strange one. I'm not sure where he'll fit in the pecking order.
I think he'd have had more of a chcne at a lesser PL club - Blackburn, Bolton or something.
I think he'd have had more of a chcne at a lesser PL club - Blackburn, Bolton or something.